UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Like clockwork

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Like clockwork

LOL. I'll never get the judging in this sport but I do know Cecil Peoples is the worse judge in the world. How can you watch round 2 and think Diaz lost that round? I also thought Condit won round 3 easily.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I think it's entirely possible to throw strikes and be on the run a majority of the fight. I don't hold that against Condit whatsoever, just pointing out that you can do both.

Neither guy proved himself the better fighter at all in my eyes. I can see either winning.

No just throw strikes but significant strikes. I'll let it go but its not like he through 100 jabs.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

LOL. I'll never get the judging in this sport but I do know Cecil Peoples is the worse judge in the world. How can you watch round 2 and think Diaz lost that round? I also thought Condit won round 3 easily.

Exactly. How the F do you give Diaz round 3?

Jesus

[ManiacMatt1782]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

That would make no sense to me personally. If you thought the fight with Condit was boring just wait for a high level wrestler like Koscheck to lay on Diaz for 3 rounds in route to a win, Diaz will lose his mind if that happened. Then throw in the fact that if Koscheck wins, which I all but guarantee he would, what do they do with him then? There isn't a soul that wants to see him get dismantled by GSP again and suddenly Diaz slips even further down the ladder in that division. I read an interesting article that mentioned the best matchup for Diaz would be the winner of Alvez/Kampmann as he's almost guaranteed a stand up war with whoever was to win. I don't know how far down the ladder he's fallen to take that fight but it's far better then watching Koscheck or Fitch lay on him for 3 rounds.

Then why is Diaz even a top contender. Whooping Strikeforce's 2nd rate division, and BJ penn who has won a whopping 2 fights at WW. If he can't beat a top wrestler, why is he even being put in with GSP. His 1st fight back in the UFC should have been against a Koscheck or Fitch. He was let go from the UFC because he couldn't beat wrestlers. He didn't face any good wrestlers at all in Strikeforce. He did'nt deseve the title shot in the first place. and your statement just solidifies my point.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

OK now it's just getting out of control. I guess some people just really want to point out the negative for Nick. It's understandable.

Anyway, Nick has nobody but himself to blame for the loss. He should have chased after Carlos' back pedaling.

After hearing the reaction of fighters and analysts I respect, I'm surprised that many of them had Nick winning and agree with me that the "fight" was anti climatic. Not to be so negative, because both guys did tag each other a bit, but neither guy went for the finish.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Then why is Diaz even a top contender. Whooping Strikeforce's 2nd rate division, and BJ penn who has won a whopping 2 fights at WW. If he can't beat a top wrestler, why is he even being put in with GSP. His 1st fight back in the UFC should have been against a Koscheck or Fitch. He was let go from the UFC because he couldn't beat wrestlers. He didn't face any good wrestlers at all in Strikeforce. He did'nt deseve the title shot in the first place. and your statement just solidifies my point.

I wont say he didnt deserve the title shot but Matt's point is correct about him not facing wrestlers. SF did a great job with lining him up with striker after striker. Here is the list: Shamrock, Noons, Santos, Zaromskis, Daley. Not a wrestler in the bunch. He looked great against BJ but it BJ isnt a wrestler either.

He's 0-2 against Elite wrestlers (Sherk,Sanchez) and because he hasnt been booked to fight wrestlers, I cant say with any confidence that he can handle a GSP, Fitch or a Koscheck if he was to fight him.

[ThePPL]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Exactly. How the F do you give Diaz round 3?

Jesus

I think Diaz won round 3.

Diaz landed some nice shots to the face of Condit and most of Condit's strikes didn't connect well except for the leg kicks.

But overall during the fight, I was really disappointed with Diaz's performance. Diaz had plenty of time to strike more during the fight and I would watch the time go by as it appeared that Nick was waiting for something to happen.

That's why I have to give Jorgensen respect because he tried very hard to make something happen. The same couldn't be said for Diaz in this fight.

[bigbob]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I agree w/ you and Aholbert, but this is nothing new. No different than when people say a football game with a lower score is not as good of a game that ends in high scoring.

Some people just don't understand the sport.

Definitely agreed. You take a look at the first LSU/Alabama games, perfect example of the way football teams are suppose to be built (great defenses, solid running games).

Condit didn't fall into Diaz's traps and fought the fight his way and didn't let anyone change that.

Edit: Also pointing out I graded the fight the same as Patricia and Cecil. I don't give Diaz the 5th round like most people have been because of the takedown because he did nothing with it.

[ex carrabba fan]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I think Diaz won round 3.

Diaz landed some nice shots to the face of Condit and most of Condit's strikes didn't connect well except for the leg kicks.

But overall during the fight, I was really disappointed with Diaz's performance. Diaz had plenty of time to strike more during the fight and I would watch the time go by as it appeared that Nick was waiting for something to happen.

That's why I have to give Jorgensen respect because he tried very hard to make something happen. The same couldn't be said for Diaz in this fight.

I'll have to re-watch the fight. In my mind I thought round 3 and 4 is where Condit definitely landed some powerful blows to Diaz... I know round 4 for sure if not round 3.

[bigbob]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I'll have to re-watch the fight. In my mind I thought round 3 and 4 is where Condit definitely landed some powerful blows to Diaz... I know round 4 for sure if not round 3.

I'm thinking Round 3 was the round where Diaz seemed to be in control and then within the last 1:30-2:00, Condit took control and started to even it up. Unless that was Round 2.

[goh]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Just saw an interview with Brittney Palmer. They asked her what a perfect valentine's day gift would be for a guy and she said "the march issue of Playboy". Thought that might be relevant info for some.

[TheShizNo1]

Earlier conversation with the principle at the school I student teach at:

P: "What's that new thing with kick boxing"

Me: "MMA?"

P: "no, they're in a cage"

Me: "MMA?"

P: "no, they wrestle around and do everything"

Me: "UFC?"

P: "UFC, that's it!"

Me: *facepalm*

[XFactah416]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Well to be honest.....depending on who the judges are that night, having octagon control and being the one moving FORWARD throughout the fight WOULD get you the WIN.

But hey, every judge is different. That is why you don't leave it up to the judges.

Exactly.

The judging in this sport is so inconsistent. There's a reason why the Diaz brothers were thinking they were winning despite Carlos marginally (except for the 4th round, which is a clear Condit round) outstriking Nick in those early rounds: because Nick was moving forward while Condit was going backwards.

I'm with Ex here. I applaud Condit for a good gameplan and (more importantly) a masterful execution to not get baited into the Diaz "brawl". He is a deserving champion and I will still look forward to his fights. But that's about it. People are in such outrage over this is because Condit deviated from the Natural Born Killer to the Natural Born Point Fighter. Had Condit been fighting like Lyoto Machida circa 2009, then I think most people wouldn't be up in arms. But when we see Carlos going in there trying to take dude's heads off for practically almost all of his wins and then he turns in a Machida-esque performance, people are gonna be upset. Just the nature of what it is since Condit became synonymous with HL reel, "you can't miss this" type of excitement.

The reason why people (including myself) were amping this up as a massive fight was because it seemed to be one of those fights that could not fail in terms of excitement; either Condit KTFOs Diaz or Diaz breaks Condit with his volume, but either way we'd be getting guaranteed action between two guys who move forward and try to break you. Ask most people who watched that fight and they might praise Condit's technical skills and ring intelligence (and rightfully so), but it certainly wasn't the barnburner or a dogfight that everyone was expecting. Maybe the hype was just too much to ask for from two guys who are IMO pretty evenly matched.

Second, Nick doesn't just talk **** for no reason. Joe Rogan said it well.These guys are proud, grown men in that Octagon and if Nick Diaz is running his mouth, dropping his hands and daring you to hit him, and downright slapping you across the head (which is what he did to Carlos), it gets you to fight with emotion and you want to try and hit this mofo as hard as you can. That's what Nick Diaz lives off of: you trying to hit him as hard as you can so you exert more power and tire yourself out. It takes real mental discipline to not give in, which is why I give Carlos props.

Anyways, it sounds like we will get a rematch of this. I just hope that this time the ending is decisive.

[SidVish]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Ariel Helwani @arielhelwani
@kennyflorian said that after 143, GSP told him he wants to fight Diaz so badly that he would be willing to give up his title. #ufctonight

GSP wants him a piece of Diaz.