UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

[tdawg3782]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

it was point fighting. The rules of MMA are not designed to allow fighters to outpoint one another to to facilitate fair fighting. The danger in fights like this and Edgar vs Penn is that it takes the sport away from fighting and pulls it towards winning on points. Yes it's a sport, but the name of the game is FIGHTING aka beating your opponent. Condit was not in there tonight to beat the crap out of Diaz, but instead to earn a point victory. That type of fight takes away from the magic of MMA imo. After the fight Diaz was none the worse for wear, meanwhile even though as I said Georges gets a lot of flack for not finishing, it's not because he's not trying to, it's because he doesn't have the big punching power and so on, he's always so apologetic about not finishing and is disappointed in his wins, while Condit was solely happy with winning on points.

There is a big difference there. Just because it's a sport doesn't mean it isn't a fight.

I agree with you mostly. But I think Condit knew unless he stunned Diaz there was little chance he would knock him out. No point in trading blows because Diaz would win. His only real option was to move, hit, move, hit and hopefully tag Diaz hard enough to maybe land some combinations to end it. Neither guy's first option was going to the ground so there it is. Condit fought the only way he could to get the win. Ya it's playing to points but what other choice did he have?

Again, to clarify, I'm a boxing guy so I don't have a problem with boxing for the win as opposed to slugging for the KO.

[blackceasar]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I still feel like Condit has a better chance at beating GSP than Diaz does. Both guys are better on the feet than GSP, but Condit has more KO power.

Both Diaz and Condit will get put on their back against GSP, so having that power that can put GSP in trouble is going to be the most important factor. Diaz would have to land one of his crazy volleys to damage GSP, and GSP might put him on his back before he can get off his strikes.

I still want to see both of them vs. GSP, but I feel like Condit has the better shot of winning.

Yeah, Condit might have the better chance of winning but he wont. And it will be a really boring fight. Diaz will loose to him too, but there will be moments where you will stand up and be like "oooh shiiiit!!!" lol. Im just not looking forward to this fight, not at all. We know who's going to win, we know how they are going to win and honestly as boring is GSP feels to me, he's going to make Condit look like an amateur. If GSP is going to win, at least put someone actually exciting in the ring with him.

Look at Chael Sonnen's fight against Silva. I think 9 fights out of 10 Silva beats him.. BUT Sonnen had no fear of Silva. Just looked at him as another man. Condit as tough as he wants to look is in AWE of GSP. He will be stepping into the right like a "fan" thats getting to fight GSP. Diaz will just walk into the ring and be like GSP, so what.

Oh well. It's going to be interesting next year on Fox when Dana White is going to run out of the freedom he has right now (cuz the deal is so new still) of being lame boring fights on Free Fox.

Also I dont mind watching Big Country fight. Yes he's fat, but the reason why he doesnt just get punked in a first round is underneath all that fat is still a Gracie BJJ black belt and he hits like a truck. Sure he needs to keep dropping the weight, sure the mullet and that rat tail in his hair makes him look like more of a sideshow, but last time I checked he's knocked out some decent competition. To be honest I think Brock was a bigger joke than Country. Brock had size and speed and what little things he could pick up while in the sport. Put Brock at the size of most other heavyweights and he wouldnt have won a single fight probably. But like I said, the Strikeforce heavyweights will be taking over the UFC now.

[k_mac]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Dana just said on Fuel that it's up to Carlos to defend, but it could happen.

[st67]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Dana just said on Fuel that it's up to Carlos to defend, but it could happen.

Are they holding the press conference on Fuel? I've been sitting here waiting for it on UFC.com.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I had it 3-2 Condit and I'm happy as hell for Carlos. As for Diaz, whatever. I love watching him fight but he's way too unstable for this growing sport. As much as I want to see Diaz/GSP, the simple fact that he decides to retire after losing a close fight is an example.

Regarding Condit not trying for the finish, the finish has to be there for you to go get it. At no time did he have Diaz in danger of going out even though he was throwing hard punches.

Dana just hinted at potentially doing a Koscheck/Diaz fight.

[Sandman42]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Condit as tough as he wants to look is in AWE of GSP. He will be stepping into the right like a "fan" thats getting to fight GSP. Diaz will just walk into the ring and be like GSP, so what.

Oh cool. Didn't know you knew Condit on a personal level.

[jeremym480]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Fight Metric Stats:

http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/02/condit-vs-diaz-official-ufc-statistics.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[Sandman42]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Are they holding the press conference on Fuel? I've been sitting here waiting for it on UFC.com.

It was an interview with Helwani.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Werdum seemed like he outstruck Reem.

Also, Diaz on his back seems much more potential for Diaz than Condit to be successful...

From what I saw tonight I don't think it would tell the story much of a Diaz/GSP fight nor a GSP/Condit fight

Even with all of that pulling guard and flopping, I had Werdum 2-1 over Reem in their last fight. He outstruck Reem that entire fight.

[allBthere]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

I agree with you mostly. But I think Condit knew unless he stunned Diaz there was little chance he would knock him out. No point in trading blows because Diaz would win. His only real option was to move, hit, move, hit and hopefully tag Diaz hard enough to maybe land some combinations to end it. Neither guy's first option was going to the ground so there it is. Condit fought the only way he could to get the win. Ya it's playing to points but what other choice did he have?

Again, to clarify, I'm a boxing guy so I don't have a problem with boxing for the win as opposed to slugging for the KO.

I'm a big boxing fan too, really big! lol but that's just not in the culture of MMA and it's what could make me become less of a fan in the event it becomes more common place. Even in boxing, I don't follow guys that are just looking for points only - I have manny VHS black and white tapes of SRR Joe Louis, Rocky, Dempsy, and so on... So in pro boxing this has become too prevalent for me as well, but at the same time there are loads of great fighters, champions and so on that try to damage their foe and take them out if they can. I cannot embrace the point mentality in combat sports.

And to add to that I believe either man tonight could have taken the other guy out, but Carlos's performance was not designed to do that and I have a problem with that. To Edgar's credit, he had a great for the ages win over maynard. I just think if your'e gameplan is to outpoint someone, then in a sense you can't really beat them in a fight.

[Fiasco West]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Presser just starting...I like the idea of Kos vs Diaz though. Hopefully Diaz is just being himself and will not retire. Not like he has shot down the ladder because of this loss

[k_mac]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Are they holding the press conference on Fuel? I've been sitting here waiting for it on UFC.com.

No, Jay Glazer and Rashad Evans are just interviewing fighters. The press conference is up on UFC.com. Just turned it on.

[XFactah416]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

That main event wasn't quite what I expected. I was expecting either Diaz to break Condit with his volume or for Condit to hit Diaz on the button and finish him. Neither happened.

First, props to Condit for winning (and the right decision was made IMO). He won with a really sound and smart strategy. However, never did I expect Carlos Condit to go out there and point fight. The reason why we all loved Carlos Condit was because he went in there to take your head off, win or lose. Instead, this fight he fought with a smart gameplan and most importantly didn't get baited into a brawl like Cowboy did. Even Condit said it himself in the post-fight interview: he did what his coaches told him to do. Congrats on being the new interim WW champion.

Nick will be back probably. I know he says he hates fighting and stuff, but he's a guy who wears his emotions on his sleeves and he truly felt he was winning that fight probably since in Nick's mind, leg kicks and backing up don't mean you're winning.

I also don't think it's wise to count Condit out against GSP. He won't be point fighting there, because if he tries to leg kick, he will be put on his back against GSP all day.

[blackceasar]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Presser just starting...I like the idea of Kos vs Diaz though. Hopefully Diaz is just being himself and will not retire. Not like he has shot down the ladder because of this loss

Diaz wont retire. He's just not the best and most mature person in an interview. He says whats on his mind right then and there without really thinking about it. Diaz is actually one of the more exciting fighters in that division.

I dont even know if I want to see Diaz vs. Kos. Id rather see Condit vs Kos but you know that wont happen. I just see the GSP/Condit fight to be a boring fight.

Its a shame that GSP had that injury and Diaz's social anxiety and going MIA got him pulled from that fight anyways. If I'm going to drop 60 bucks on a PPV in November and the main event is going to be GSP and Condit, there better be some really good fights on the undercard.

[aholbert32]

Re: UFC 143- Condit v. Diaz - Februrary 4

Also please remember: Diaz's contract doesn't allow him to box. So all that talk about retiring is silly. He either has to really retire at 28 or complete his contract with the UFC. His SF contract was ripped up before he signed to fight GSP the first time.