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  • DonkeyJote
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    • Jul 2003
    • 9184

    #2401
    Originally posted by He1nousOne1
    Not if the bigger bowls make contractual obligations with Conferences. If that happens then it doesn't matter how good Notre Dame does, they will be left out.
    The fiesta, orange, sugar bowls aren't going to make deals for a second place team. So while they will have conference affiliations, there will still be room for them to pick and choose. Plus, there's the possibility of one of those conference champions going to the national title game.

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    • lonewolf371
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      • Aug 2009
      • 3420

      #2402
      Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

      Originally posted by He1nousOne1
      I could take that argument to another level and talk about why our divisions were set up the way they are.
      What's wrong with the divisions? They were set up this way to try to achieve competitive balance. At least this year it seems to have worked out that way. No one wants a Pac-12 or a Big 12 situation where all the good teams are in one division and you have a 6-6 team from the other division in the title game.
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      • DonkeyJote
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        • Jul 2003
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        #2403
        Originally posted by lonewolf371
        What's wrong with the divisions? They were set up this way to try to achieve competitive balance. At least this year it seems to have worked out that way. No one wants a Pac-12 or a Big 12 situation where all the good teams are in one division and you have a 6-6 team from the other division in the title game.
        The pac 12 is a bad example. In the long run, those divisions will be balanced. Stanford will eventually fall back to the bottom of the conference, and USC is very, very good. If they didn't have the postseason ban, that'd be a great title game.

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        • lonewolf371
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          • Aug 2009
          • 3420

          #2404
          Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

          Originally posted by DonkeyJote
          The pac 12 is a bad example. In the long run, those divisions will be balanced. Stanford will eventually fall back to the bottom of the conference, and USC is very, very good. If they didn't have the postseason ban, that'd be a great title game.

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          It's not that we want to avoid what the Pac-12 has so much as avoiding the situation that the Pac-12 happens to be in this year.
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          • DonkeyJote
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            • Jul 2003
            • 9184

            #2405
            Originally posted by lonewolf371
            It's not that we want to avoid what the Pac-12 has so much as avoiding the situation that the Pac-12 happens to be in this year.
            But the Big 10 will run into that eventually. They'll have years where one division is obviously superior to the other. It's cyclical. My point was that the pac 12 isn't set up like the old big 12 at all, imo. The divisions are set up pretty evenly.

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            • superjames1992
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              • Jun 2007
              • 31382

              #2406
              Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

              Originally posted by DonkeyJote
              But the Big 10 will run into that eventually. They'll have years where one division is obviously superior to the other. It's cyclical. My point was that the pac 12 isn't set up like the old big 12 at all, imo. The divisions are set up pretty evenly.

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              True. The SEC West is light years ahead of the SEC East right now and has been for quite a few years (outside of UF, at least).
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              • lonewolf371
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                • Aug 2009
                • 3420

                #2407
                Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

                Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                But the Big 10 will run into that eventually. They'll have years where one division is obviously superior to the other. It's cyclical. My point was that the pac 12 isn't set up like the old big 12 at all, imo. The divisions are set up pretty evenly.

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                And my point was that with the way the Big Ten divisions are set up that those types of years will be minimized.
                Originally posted by superjames1992
                True. The SEC West is light years ahead of the SEC East right now and has been for quite a few years (outside of UF, at least).
                Well the East was better for the '90s, too.
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                • DonkeyJote
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                  • Jul 2003
                  • 9184

                  #2408
                  Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

                  Originally posted by superjames1992
                  True. The SEC West is light years ahead of the SEC East right now and has been for quite a few years (outside of UF, at least).
                  Yeah, for the last few years. But before that, the East was far ahead of the west.

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                  • superjames1992
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                    • Jun 2007
                    • 31382

                    #2409
                    Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

                    Originally posted by lonewolf371
                    And my point was that with the way the Big Ten divisions are set up that those types of years will be minimized.

                    Well the East was better for the '90s, too.
                    Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                    Yeah, for the last few years. But before that, the East was far ahead of the west.
                    Yes, that's why I said "right now".

                    These things are cynical. The Big 12 South's dominance wasn't, though, but that's what happens when you put almost all the top teams in one division.
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                    • He1nousOne1
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                      • Jun 2011
                      • 329

                      #2410
                      Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

                      Originally posted by lonewolf371
                      What's wrong with the divisions? They were set up this way to try to achieve competitive balance. At least this year it seems to have worked out that way. No one wants a Pac-12 or a Big 12 situation where all the good teams are in one division and you have a 6-6 team from the other division in the title game.
                      I still think you can divide it geographically and still reach that balance.

                      West
                      Wisconsin
                      Nebraska
                      Iowa
                      Northwestern
                      Illinois
                      Minnesota

                      East
                      Ohio State
                      Michigan
                      Michigan State
                      Penn State
                      Indiana
                      Purdue


                      The non geographical split was made entirely for the two elephants in the room of Michigan and Ohio State because the B1G thought having that possible match up in the conference championship is the biggest draw money wise. I would agree with that too. I'm sure none of the western programs mind having that Michigan pipeline either but there is just something about geographical divisions that make it mean a little more. Compare the SEC set up to the ACC set up.

                      In my opinion it means more to say you are the East or West division champion because you are now a champion over a region of territory. Saying you are a champion of a goofy named division with no real territorial ties such as Legends, Leaders, Atlantic and Coastal just isn't the same. Much more pride involved with winning a title that covers a congruent territory.


                      But the post you quoted was about comparing the preferential treatment of Ohio State and Michigan by the B1G in comparison to the preferential treatment ND gets from the BCS. Its all about dollars, thus its really no different at all. It happens everywhere in every organization.
                      Last edited by He1nousOne1; 11-29-2011, 09:56 AM.

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                      • DonkeyJote
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                        • Jul 2003
                        • 9184

                        #2411
                        Notre Dame doesn't even get preferential treatment, really. They still have a harder road to a BCS game than any team in a BCS conference.

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                        • Chaos81
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                          • Mar 2004
                          • 17150

                          #2412
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                          • Chip Douglass
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                            • Dec 2005
                            • 12256

                            #2413
                            Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

                            Originally posted by superjames1992
                            These things are cynical. The Big 12 South's dominance wasn't, though, but that's what happens when you put almost all the top teams in one division.
                            The North was initially the much stronger division when the Big XII formed.

                            Nebraska was in the middle of a dynasty and KSU/Colorado were perennial top 10 teams, with CU only a couple of years removed from a MNC.
                            I write things on the Internet.

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                            • seasprite
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                              • Jul 2008
                              • 8984

                              #2414
                              Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows



                              Is this new news or am I a bit behind?






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                              • illwill10
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                                • Mar 2009
                                • 19822

                                #2415
                                Re: Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

                                I dont know if I am late but,
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