Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Ziza9Noles94]

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Ugh.

http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1498456
"Barron said that the "entire focus" revolved around the league increasing revenue as a whole, not on any changes to the league's equal revenue sharing policy or how the ACC currently determines bowl payouts." Wow.

[cdawg44]

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Ugh.

http://floridastate.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1498456
"Barron said that the "entire focus" revolved around the league increasing revenue as a whole, not on any changes to the league's equal revenue sharing policy or how the ACC currently determines bowl payouts." Wow.

I just don't get what Florida State fans have to be upset about. The TV money with Notre Dame playing 5 games in the ACC, the Grant of Rights and Louisville coming on board will be right at 20 million a season per team and this is before we talk about a network that looks likely after the SEC Network is up and running. This is exactly what the Pac-12 and Big 12 get and you get the same money without forking over a bunch of money for women's Tennis and golf to visit Ames, IA, Manhattan, KS, Norman, OK and Lubbock, TX.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9200081/acc-media-rights-deal-lock-schools-okd-presidents

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/jeremy-fowler/22116192/acc-eyeing-grant-of-rights-deal

It seems that FSU fans have this idea in their heads that they can pull a Texas and get 15 million a season for a Nole Network when they aren't even top dogs in their own state. Everyone knows that ESPN was over zealous and waaaaaayyyy overpaid UT for the network and now the only way it gets distribution now is if it gets bundled with the SEC and ACC Networks. I guarantee ESPN wouldn't have paid Texas even close to that amount if it fast foward two years to now and are now stuck with a craptastic contract and Texas does nothing to share the costs like the B1G does with Fox. FSU got everything it wanted ( over 20 million a season in TV money, Louisville's membership, strong stability and Tier 3 on a dedicated Network) and still they are not happy with the deal.

[Ziza9Noles94]

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I just don't get what Florida State fans have to be upset about. The TV money with Notre Dame playing 5 games in the ACC, the Grant of Rights and Louisville coming on board will be right at 20 million a season per team and this is before we talk about a network that looks likely after the SEC Network is up and running. This is exactly what the Pac-12 and Big 12 get and you get the same money without forking over a bunch of money for women's Tennis and golf to visit Ames, IA, Manhattan, KS, Norman, OK and Lubbock, TX.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9200081/acc-media-rights-deal-lock-schools-okd-presidents

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/jeremy-fowler/22116192/acc-eyeing-grant-of-rights-deal

It seems that FSU fans have this idea in their heads that they can pull a Texas and get 15 million a season for a Nole Network when they aren't even top dogs in their own state. Everyone knows that ESPN was over zealous and waaaaaayyyy overpaid UT for the network and now the only way it gets distribution now is if it gets bundled with the SEC and ACC Networks. I guarantee ESPN wouldn't have paid Texas even close to that amount if it fast foward two years to now and are now stuck with a craptastic contract and Texas does nothing to share the costs like the B1G does with Fox. FSU got everything it wanted ( over 20 million a season in TV money, Louisville's membership, strong stability and Tier 3 on a dedicated Network) and still they are not happy with the deal.

The problem you'll find that most have is with sharing the pie equally with schools that don't have the same commitment to football or fill seats and put butts in front of the TV like the top tier teams in the league do. It isn't just FSU fans that feel that way. I think if say Miami, Clemson or VTech play in a BCS bowl game or make the new four team playoff, their cut should be significantly larger than perennial bottom dwellers or teams that consistently prove to have no drawing power. It may be petty, elitist, but that's just how some of us feel. Indeed, the sky isn't falling.

I'm not a rah, rah conference guy. My issue mainly is with Barron's comment that "the "entire focus" revolved around the league increasing revenue as a whole, not on any changes to the league's equal revenue sharing policy or how the ACC currently determines bowl payouts." Particularly the last part. At least negotiate a bonus of some sort. This is from an article written last year so it obviously doesn't reflect this past season's results: (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/tee...0,259118.story)

"Presently, after travel allowances, the money is divided equally among the ACC’s 12 members. So Duke, which hasn’t reached a bowl since 1994, essentially gets the same cut as Florida State, which hasn’t missed postseason since 1981.
Just for kicks, I researched ACC bowl payouts for the last eight years, or since the arrivals of Virginia Tech and Miami. Not surprisingly, the Hokies, with their four conference titles and five Bowl Championship Series appearances, are the biggest losers in the ACC’s equal division of revenue.
The payouts for Virginia Tech’s eight bowls in as many seasons total approximately $83.4 million, or about 35 percent of all ACC postseason football income ($236.5 million) during that time. Yet the Hokies’ share of that loot was less than $20 million."

There also seems to be a lot of hope being pinned top the fact that ND might, maybe, perhaps let the NBC contract run out and be all in.

If a network is started, that will be great. One that can compete 24/7 with the Big Ten Network, The SEC Network especially...awesome. Right now that is more of a likely based on hope, than fact. When it is officially announced, I will get excited about it for sure. Nole track on tv? Catching every baseball game? Nice. Until then, I'll wait and see. Words like "a path forward" don't necessarily say that it is set in stone guaranteed.

I also don't know anyone who thought or seriously wanted a Nole Network. As you suggested, that's ridiculous.

[Chrisksaint]

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I don't think i've ever heard anyone mention an FSU network ever. I think some FSU people(and not just FSU) are upset that since they bring in more $$ they should get more $$, which of course would make sense. However, personally I don't care at least it's some stability.

[cdawg44]

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The problem you'll find that most have is with sharing the pie equally with schools that don't have the same commitment to football or fill seats and put butts in front of the TV like the top tier teams in the league do. It isn't just FSU fans that feel that way. I think if say Miami, Clemson or VTech play in a BCS bowl game or make the new four team playoff, their cut should be significantly larger than perennial bottom dwellers or teams that consistently prove to have no drawing power. It may be petty, elitist, but that's just how some of us feel. Indeed, the sky isn't falling.

I'm not a rah, rah conference guy. My issue mainly is with Barron's comment that "the "entire focus" revolved around the league increasing revenue as a whole, not on any changes to the league's equal revenue sharing policy or how the ACC currently determines bowl payouts." Particularly the last part. At least negotiate a bonus of some sort. This is from an article written last year so it obviously doesn't reflect this past season's results: (http://www.dailypress.com/sports/tee...0,259118.story)

"Presently, after travel allowances, the money is divided equally among the ACC’s 12 members. So Duke, which hasn’t reached a bowl since 1994, essentially gets the same cut as Florida State, which hasn’t missed postseason since 1981.
Just for kicks, I researched ACC bowl payouts for the last eight years, or since the arrivals of Virginia Tech and Miami. Not surprisingly, the Hokies, with their four conference titles and five Bowl Championship Series appearances, are the biggest losers in the ACC’s equal division of revenue.
The payouts for Virginia Tech’s eight bowls in as many seasons total approximately $83.4 million, or about 35 percent of all ACC postseason football income ($236.5 million) during that time. Yet the Hokies’ share of that loot was less than $20 million."

There also seems to be a lot of hope being pinned top the fact that ND might, maybe, perhaps let the NBC contract run out and be all in.

If a network is started, that will be great. One that can compete 24/7 with the Big Ten Network, The SEC Network especially...awesome. Right now that is more of a likely based on hope, than fact. When it is officially announced, I will get excited about it for sure. Nole track on tv? Catching every baseball game? Nice. Until then, I'll wait and see. Words like "a path forward" don't necessarily say that it is set in stone guaranteed.

I also don't know anyone who thought or seriously wanted a Nole Network. As you suggested, that's ridiculous.

I've seen it on other fourms. I thought the idea was far fetched when I saw it too. It was that and FSU could bundle Tier 3 rights are get so much more money, when that just wasn't a reailty. I get the logic at you keep what you earn for NCAA tourny and bowl money but The ACC always has and always will share bowl money and NCAA tourny money equally for members and honestly it is the way to go. Even though there is "stability" in the Big 12, there is still hate and distrust at Texas because of how money is not shared equally even though everyone agreed to it from the start. The leagues are as only as strong as their weakest links and if you don't attempt level the money pot, it creates instability as the haves move foward and have nots fall further behind. Once Maryland left (They have always had this feeling of opression from Greensboro for years) it seems that everyone that is in the ACC wants to be in the ACC as long as makes economic sense for it to be so. You don't want to inject any mistrust into the equation at this point.

I strongly believe the network happens. The league is in every major market on the Eastern seaboard except Tampa/Orlando and Philly and ESPN doesn't want to miss out on that kinda of coverage. It won't be imminent like the SEC network is, but you can bank on a network within the next 5 years. ACC won't be in B1G or SEC territory when it comes to total payouts, but 20million plus network money, bowl payouts and NCAA tourny money puts the league a little north of 30 million per school per year. Not bad and it makes the ACC competitive with the B1G and Pac-12 long term.

[Chrisksaint]

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FSU has a very large presence in Tampa from what i've seen, more then USF almost lol.

[Cusefan]

FSU has a very large presence in Tampa from what i've seen, more then USF almost lol.

That must kill USF fans

[Bmore Irish]

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I don't think he was being serious about it, but not a chance in hell Notre Dame doesn't renew their NBC contract. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was renewed before it's even up in a couple years, and ND's got leverage right now, as the ad revenue is way back up.

Anyone know what the impact of this ACC Grant of Rights is on Maryland leaving for B1G?

[bwburke94]

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There is no such thing as the B1G. Its name is the Big Ten.

[simgamer0005]

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There is no such thing as the B1G. Its name is the Big Ten.

actually there is no such thing as the BigTen anymore. That conference ended in 2011 when the conference added Nebraska, split into divisions, and changed it's logo and likeness to B1G. calling this cluster of a conference the "Big Ten" is an insult to the actual BigTen conference that existed for many years.

while some might still call it the Big Ten, or the B10, they only call it that out of confusion or habit. The B1G or B10 is all part of a rebranding campaign. The BigTen was a close knit conference which prided itself on strong defense, exciting football and a conference season where every game counted. BigTen fans had pride and lived for every game because the quality and competitiveness of football was just that good. this benefitted everyone in the conference and the fans loved it. due to expansion and other factors, it's now known as the B1G, if nothing else to distinguish itself from what used to be the BigTen conference.

[Ziza9Noles94]

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I don't think he was being serious about it, but not a chance in hell Notre Dame doesn't renew their NBC contract. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it was renewed before it's even up in a couple years, and ND's got leverage right now, as the ad revenue is way back up.

Anyone know what the impact of this ACC Grant of Rights is on Maryland leaving for B1G?

I think the GOR excludes Maryalnd. So they take their rights with them to the B1G. Maryland might actually benefit even more from this:

ACC GOR and Exit Fee Lawsuit Against Maryland

[cdawg44]

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/blog/eye-on-college-football/22122683/report-big-ten-did-expansion-homework-on-oklahoma-others

Looks like the B1G is looking west too. OU, Kansas and Vandy on the target list. Since Big 12 GOR doesn't include Tiers 2 and 3, the first two can get out at a reduced price versus the ACC schools. Dangit, why won't it stop.

[TDenverFan]

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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...klahoma-others

Looks like the B1G is looking west too. OU, Kansas and Vandy on the target list. Since Big 12 GOR doesn't include Tiers 2 and 3, the first two can get out at a reduced price versus the ACC schools. Dangit, why won't it stop.

I really don't like the schools the B1G is adding. No offense to Maryland or Rutgers alum, but their athletic departments don't have the same prestige as the rest of the B1G. Minus Northwestern (Again, no offense, I want to go to NU), who has been pretty awful at most sports pretty consistently.

OU on the other hand has a great athletics department, but they would feel out of place IMO.

[p_rushing]

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I've seen it on other fourms. I thought the idea was far fetched when I saw it too. It was that and FSU could bundle Tier 3 rights are get so much more money, when that just wasn't a reailty. I get the logic at you keep what you earn for NCAA tourny and bowl money but The ACC always has and always will share bowl money and NCAA tourny money equally for members and honestly it is the way to go. Even though there is "stability" in the Big 12, there is still hate and distrust at Texas because of how money is not shared equally even though everyone agreed to it from the start. The leagues are as only as strong as their weakest links and if you don't attempt level the money pot, it creates instability as the haves move foward and have nots fall further behind. Once Maryland left (They have always had this feeling of opression from Greensboro for years) it seems that everyone that is in the ACC wants to be in the ACC as long as makes economic sense for it to be so. You don't want to inject any mistrust into the equation at this point.

I strongly believe the network happens. The league is in every major market on the Eastern seaboard except Tampa/Orlando and Philly and ESPN doesn't want to miss out on that kinda of coverage. It won't be imminent like the SEC network is, but you can bank on a network within the next 5 years. ACC won't be in B1G or SEC territory when it comes to total payouts, but 20million plus network money, bowl payouts and NCAA tourny money puts the league a little north of 30 million per school per year. Not bad and it makes the ACC competitive with the B1G and Pac-12 long term.

FSU probably doesn't want a network, they want 3rd tier rights for football and basketball. A network doesn't make money for all the other money sucking sports.

FSU also has a very large national following. They may not own Florida as UF is larger, but FSU has a larger national following. FSU has played in a lot of the most watched football games.

Add that together and FSU shouldn't be getting the same money as the bottom half of the ACC. The ACC is run by incompetent UNC grads who only care about basketball. FSU is being run by someone with no backbone and has shown that they will continue to lose out on money to the SEC. When UF SEC money and they haven't even signed their new deal, FSU's disadvantage is only going to get bigger.

Sure the ND move helped keep the league alive, but ND isn't a member and isn't sharing money. Now FSU is stuck. They have no options except to wait until the ACC folds. FSU doesn't have the money to even pay the 50 million. Their only hope is that the ACC brings in some Big12 teams and drops the terrible football teams in the conference.

[bwburke94]

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With the Playoff now in place, the bad conference schedule doesn't hurt FSU as much as it once did. An 11-1 season could easily land them in the top 4.