Conference Re-Alignment Thread Part Who Knows

[Amoo316]

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Personal preference maybe but I think Baylor has the bigger name nationally when compared to Texas Tech, what's the deal with Texas and Tech being married to each other? I get OU and OSU, I don't get Texas and Tech

[dickey1331]

Personal preference maybe but I think Baylor has the bigger name nationally when compared to Texas Tech, what's the deal with Texas and Tech being married to each other? I get OU and OSU, I don't get Texas and Tech

Probably has to do with Tech being a state school and Baylor being private.


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[DonkeyJote]

They're both public schools in Texas. Baylor is a private school, so the legislature has little incentive to "encourage" Texas to stay with them.

As far as Baylor having more national recognition, that's debatable. Historically, maybe, but Baylor has been a door mat in the big 12, whereas Tech has been fairly relevant. Also, Baylor is a religious school (I want to say Baptist, but I'm not sure), and thus, the Pac 12 is very unlikely to accept them.

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[dickey1331]

They're both public schools in Texas. Baylor is a private school, so the legislature has little incentive to "encourage" Texas to stay with them.

As far as Baylor having more national recognition, that's debatable. Historically, maybe, but Baylor has been a door mat in the big 12, whereas Tech has been fairly relevant. Also, Baylor is a religious school (I want to say Baptist, but I'm not sure), and thus, the Pac 12 is very unlikely to accept them.

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Yes they are Baptist. Also I would say Baylor is much better at non football sports than Tech.


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[sycodmn]

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Baylor has about as much chance of getting into the Pac-# as BYU. Arguably less. The California schools, particularly Berkley and UCLA want nothing to do with them.

I like how Cyclone fan clings to anything, no matter how vague, that keeps his Big East dream alive. It said 'multiple', I did not say 'all', and ISU is the least of those schools, given Kansas would push for State. I honestly think that the Mountain West is a better landing spot for both them, and Baylor. They'd be more competitive, and there's a solid chance the MWC becomes an AQ. I think they'll go after Baylor especially hard, if just to get back into Texas.

Speaking of Texas, I'll happily accept them into our conference, but they're kidding themselves if they think they'll have anywhere close to the same pull they had in the Big XII. Not speaking on the field, where they'd, of course, very competitive, but they'd likely be behind the California schools, Oregon, and *maybe* Washington in the pecking order. Certainly not the sun around which the conference rotates.

[Amoo316]

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Thanks for the background on Tech vs Baylor, from a National perspective, including other sports then football, I do think Baylor is more recognized then Tech, but I can see 100% why Baylor will not be joining Texas in the Pac-16.

[untrugby]

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No, but the MWC has fufilled 2/3 of the BCS conference requirements (Equal to the ACC and Big East) so they are close. I'm just saying those 4 could get them there.

Kansas has only finished ranked once in the last 15 seasons, Kansas St. only once in the last 8. Iowa st only once in the last 34. Missouri 3 times in the last 13. Missouri is the only one to be ranked in the past 3 years so they would be the only ones helping the qualifying and with the others that have a history of not finishing in the polls they dont bring much to the table.

With Utah and TCU leaving the MWC they will have no chance of becoming an AQ conf anyways

[DonkeyJote]

Baylor has about as much chance of getting into the Pac-# as BYU. Arguably less. The California schools, particularly Berkley and UCLA want nothing to do with them.

I like how Cyclone fan clings to anything, no matter how vague, that keeps his Big East dream alive. It said 'multiple', I did not say 'all', and ISU is the least of those schools, given Kansas would push for State. I honestly think that the Mountain West is a better landing spot for both them, and Baylor. They'd be more competitive, and there's a solid chance the MWC becomes an AQ. I think they'll go after Baylor especially hard, if just to get back into Texas.

Speaking of Texas, I'll happily accept them into our conference, but they're kidding themselves if they think they'll have anywhere close to the same pull they had in the Big XII. Not speaking on the field, where they'd, of course, very competitive, but they'd likely be behind the California schools, Oregon, and *maybe* Washington in the pecking order. Certainly not the sun around which the conference rotates.

I think Texas would have a lot of pull, but USC is a very strong program. I think the original 8 will stick together a lot. If this goes through, I feel bad for Colorado. They'd be stuck in the Big 12 part two. And the Arizona schools are not going to like being separated from the west coast teams. We'll see how it goes. Pac 16 is still far from a sure thing at this point.

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[sycodmn]

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Yeah, I've said before that it'd really be practically two 8 team conferences that just happened to share one name, even thinking beyond the obvious things such as scheduling. The original 8 would stick together, and, because they've been together so long and have very similar views on most things, would wield a majority of the power in the conference. Colorado, Utah, and the Arizona schools would get the worst end of the deal, because their access to California would likely get reduced, and they'd be stuck trying to beat Texas and OU for the eastern side of the conference.

I also think there would be a huge cultural divide, both on the field and off, between the two sides of the conference. It'd be very strange, because while I can see how Colorado and Utah fit into the Pac-12, OU, Texas, OSU, and Mizzou/Tech would just be a weird fit.

In the end, though, money's gonna talk. I just think the conference was perfect at 10, because ever school, not just athletically, but as an institution, fit together really well, and 12, with the two they chose is still a good fit. 16... not a huge fan.

[Redacted01]

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Pete Thamel of the New York Times has tweeted today:



I know very few seem to agree with me but there will not be a Big 12 school left out in the cold period. Worst case for all of them is Big East. The only potential exception to that is Baylor because of TCU already in the Big East but I still feel it is much more likely that they are in rather than out.

Of course no one will be left out in the cold. Everyone will end up in a conference, just not where you think. And why would Baylor be an exception because of TCU? If anything, they'd be more likely because then TCU has someone local. All you have been is claiming this and claiming that all thread. It's fine to have opinions, but you seem to think your opinions are fact an awful lot.

If Texas, Tech, OU, and Oklahoma State do go to the Pac-12, the Big East isn't going to expand as much as you think. You seem to forget they already have 17 basketball schools with TCU. They are only going to go to 12 in football because it's all they need to remain viable. Kansas is a given, which means Kansas State goes along, and then Missouri makes the most sense. Baylor and ISU will be on the outside looking in unless the Big East basketball only schools break away. 20 teams is plenty for a single conference in basketball because eventually, someone is going to get shafted that is 12th or 13th in the conference, but won 20+ games.

[Redacted01]

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Kansas has only finished ranked once in the last 15 seasons, Kansas St. only once in the last 8. Iowa st only once in the last 34. Missouri 3 times in the last 13. Missouri is the only one to be ranked in the past 3 years so they would be the only ones helping the qualifying and with the others that have a history of not finishing in the polls they dont bring much to the table.

With Utah and TCU leaving the MWC they will have no chance of becoming an AQ conf anyways

Boise and Hawai'i, though Hawai'i fell off after Colt Brennan left. They still have a chance, it's just not as good as it was had TCU remained with Boise.

[Bondgirl0072]

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Does anyone believe the Big 12 is going to fall apart?

[TDenverFan]

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Kansas has only finished ranked once in the last 15 seasons, Kansas St. only once in the last 8. Iowa st only once in the last 34. Missouri 3 times in the last 13. Missouri is the only one to be ranked in the past 3 years so they would be the only ones helping the qualifying and with the others that have a history of not finishing in the polls they dont bring much to the table.

With Utah and TCU leaving the MWC they will have no chance of becoming an AQ conf anyways

They are landing Hawaii, Reno, Boise State, and Fresno State, which are better than Utah, BYU, and TCU, IMO. If those 3 had stayed, I think the MWC would become an AQ. Now... They need the Big 12 schools to have a chance.

Pete Thamel of the New York Times has tweeted today:



I know very few seem to agree with me but there will not be a Big 12 school left out in the cold period. Worst case for all of them is Big East. The only potential exception to that is Baylor because of TCU already in the Big East but I still feel it is much more likely that they are in rather than out.

Did he say which ones? There are other sports besides football, and a 20-some team conference is kinda ugly. I agree with someone up there who said they invite only 3 (Kansas, K-State, and Mizzou). Though it's possible ISU and Baylor get an invite as well.

[Perfect Zero]

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What are the qualifications of becoming an AQ anyways? I thought it was based on a good 'ole boy network where the conferences elect themselves (kinda like the Holy Roman Empire). If the big boys can strip the Big XII's AQ and give it to the Mountain West, that's one thing. It's another thing if they strip it and don't award it to anybody else.

I'm still not sold on the PAC expansion. If they could get away with getting Texas and Oklahoma, they'd do it. Texas is ideologically to the left anyways; I don't know about Oklahoma. Anyone else that they bring will be center-right. Perhaps Texas will keep it together after all, but we won't know until it happens...

[Cusefan]

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If Texas, Tech, OU, and Oklahoma State do go to the Pac-12, the Big East isn't going to expand as much as you think. You seem to forget they already have 17 basketball schools with TCU. They are only going to go to 12 in football because it's all they need to remain viable. Kansas is a given, which means Kansas State goes along, and then Missouri makes the most sense. Baylor and ISU will be on the outside looking in unless the Big East basketball only schools break away. 20 teams is plenty for a single conference in basketball because eventually, someone is going to get shafted that is 12th or 13th in the conference, but won 20+ games.

There could easily be a split between the football schools and the basketball ones. The problem is that with this new TV deal the Football schools want the majority of the money and the basketball schools might be better going it alone. Who knows though.