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  • superjames1992
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    • Jun 2007
    • 31369

    #931
    Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

    New article from the New York Post.



    COLLEGE PARK, Md. -- It's all about Nov. 1, 2012.

    That's the date the Big East Conference becomes a TV free agent. The league's goal is to be able to present such a solid, far-reaching and valuable product that it lands a deal in the neighborhood of the $4 billion package recently signed by the Pac-12.

    So when you hear Big East and wonder why schools such as Missouri, Kansas and Kansas State are being mentioned, think Midwest TV markets. Maps are just a piece of paper with lines.

    With Texas A&M poised to join the SEC, the Big East is looking to add those three Big 12 schools and grow to 12 football schools and swell to 20 in basketball.
    If that seems unwieldy, think outside the box.

    The Big East has studied the creation of four five-team divisions in basketball and two divisions -- East and West -- in football, The Post has learned.

    In basketball it could mean each school having home-and-home games with the other four schools in its division and then playing crossover games from schools in other divisions. Some schools wouldn't play each other in a given year.

    Football would split along geographical lines with Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Cincinnati, Louisville and TCU in the West Division, and UConn, Rutgers, Syracuse, Pitt, South Florida and West Virginia in the East.

    Division winners would meet in a true conference championship game, with a BCS bowl game on the line.

    The basketball splits likely would create some division but unless the non-FBS football schools (Georgetown, St. John's, et al) are willing to risk the very real possibility of the FBS football-playing schools breaking away, they'll agree to expansion and the new formats.

    The non-football schools are very willing to accommodate the football schools for the sake of the league, several sources told The Post. A big check from TV revenue would assuage any hurt feelings.

    These changes, of course, hinge on the Big 12 falling apart, which seems likely. With Texas A&M headed to the SEC, the Big 12 is down to nine schools with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas and Texas Tech likely leaving for the Pac-12.

    When one considers the Pac-12 would then grow to 16 teams in football and basketball, the 12-and-20 makeup of the Big East doesn't seem so radical.

    John Swofford, commissioner of the ACC, all but shot down a report out of Austin that his league was interested in taking Rutgers, Syracuse, UConn and Texas.

    He also alluded to the reason why the Big 12 is in trouble is because of the Longhorn Network and the uneven distribution of TV monies.

    Swofford was asked if he would bring in any entity that created uneven distribution.

    "I don't think that you ever say never about anything these days but that has been a very strong principle in our league since the middle '80s," he said. "I think that it's one that has a lot to do with the stability of conferences."

    The two main potential stumbling blocks focus on Missouri. Missouri dearly covets an invite from the Big Ten, which recently invited Nebraska and showed little interest in the Tigers. That could change, though the Big Ten has only added two schools -- Penn State and Nebraska -- in the last 30 years.

    The second scenario has Missouri going to the SEC as that school's 14th member. But Missouri does not see a good cultural fit with the SEC and might prefer the Big East. But by coming to the Big East with Kansas and K-State, Missouri maintains its relationship with two rivals.
    Last edited by superjames1992; 09-06-2011, 11:39 AM.
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    • Brandwin
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      • Jul 2002
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      #932
      Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

      What this all means to Baylor, we are SOL.

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      • acts238shaun
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        • Dec 2005
        • 2714

        #933
        Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

        Everything on twitter is coming up that there will be a 2pm announcement.

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        • nortobc
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          • Jul 2004
          • 1130

          #934
          Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

          Originally posted by acts238shaun
          Everything on twitter is coming up that there will be a 2pm announcement.
          What will be in the announcement? A@M to the SEC? Other teams to the SEC? Teams to the Big East? Big 12 future?

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          • acts238shaun
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            • Dec 2005
            • 2714

            #935
            Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

            A&M to SEC, sorry.

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            • acts238shaun
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              • Dec 2005
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              #936
              Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

              Not sure if true, obviously, but this was on twitter:

              @BryanDFischer Bryan Fischer
              RT @Andy_Staples: The jets are being scrambled. RT @Aggs03: Word on the street is planes have left to Atlanta for a meeting.

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              • acts238shaun
                MVP
                • Dec 2005
                • 2714

                #937
                Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

                on SI.com



                By Tuesday night, the SEC should know whether it has the required nine presidential votes to extend an invitation to Texas A&M, which sent a conditional withdrawal letter to the Big 12 last week. If the Aggies get the invitation, they will accept and announce as early as Wednesday their intention to join the SEC. Then, things could get wild.

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                • Perfect Zero
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                  • Jun 2005
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                  #938
                  Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

                  On ESPN2's Bottom Line, it reports that Bob Stoops has said that Oklahoma is prepared to move to the PAC without Texas, and that it could affect their annual game with the Longhorns. He also said that fewer games in Texas wouldn't affect their recruiting.

                  This leads me to believe that a) Oklahoma is almost certain to go to the PAC, and b) it could be Missouri that they are taking if they have to schedule Oklahoma State OOC.
                  Last edited by Perfect Zero; 09-06-2011, 04:18 PM.
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                  • fishepa
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                    • Feb 2003
                    • 18989

                    #939
                    Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

                    Originally posted by rspencer86
                    lol, Rice's band paid tribute to the SEC's expansion at halftime:

                    Reeks of jealousy.

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                    • Perfect Zero
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                      • Jun 2005
                      • 4012

                      #940
                      Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

                      Originally posted by DookieMowf
                      What this all means to Baylor, we are SOL.
                      I wouldn't say so. It might mean that Baylor could be in a package to go elsewhere to play football, and it could actually help to grow the school.
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                      • coogrfan
                        In Fritz We Trust
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 15645

                        #941
                        Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

                        Originally posted by fishepa
                        Reeks of jealousy.
                        Trust me on this...no one at Rice is jealous in any way, shape or form of anyone or anything at UT or TAMU. This was just The MOB having a little snarky fun at the Horns/Ags expense.
                        Last edited by coogrfan; 09-06-2011, 05:34 PM.

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                        • DonkeyJote
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                          • Jul 2003
                          • 9173

                          #942
                          Originally posted by Perfect Zero
                          On ESPN2's Bottom Line, it reports that Bob Stoops has said that Oklahoma is prepared to move to the PAC without Texas, and that it could affect their annual game with the Longhorns. He also said that fewer games in Texas wouldn't affect their recruiting.

                          This leads me to believe that a) Oklahoma is almost certain to go to the PAC, and b) it could be Missouri that they are taking if they have to schedule Oklahoma State OOC.
                          I think Oklahoma is going to the Pac. I think they'll bring Ok St. But I don't think Texas is going. I just feel like Texas doesn't want to go there. And I'm getting the impression that Oklahoma doesn't care one bit if Texas joins. But they don't want Tech, and I doubt the Pac 12 wants Tech.

                          Here's a crazy thought. What if Texas joins the Big East? They'd still be top dog, and with the new tv deal, they probably even get to keep the Longhorn network.
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                          Last edited by DonkeyJote; 09-06-2011, 05:48 PM.

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                          • choadler
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                            • Feb 2004
                            • 2001

                            #943
                            Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

                            Originally posted by DonkeyJote
                            I think Oklahoma is going to the Pac. I think they'll bring Ok St. But I don't think Texas is going. I just feel like Texas doesn't want to go there. And I'm getting the impression that Oklahoma doesn't care one bit if Texas joins. But they don't want Tech, and I doubt the Pac 12 wants Tech.

                            Here's a crazy thought. What if Texas joins the Big East? They'd still be top dog, and with the new tv deal, they probably even get to keep the Longhorn network.
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                            I don't think Texas goes to the Big East. Texas appears to be very stubborn over the LHN. I see a reconstituted Big 12 or independence. ACC appears to not want the LHN as well as the PAC 12 in its present state.

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                            • cdawg44
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                              • May 2003
                              • 2936

                              #944
                              Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter



                              Hope everyone had a happy and safe holiday …

                              Here’s the latest, based on weekend conversations with sources from several conferences and numerous schools:

                              *** The Pac-12 presidents and chancellors do not want to expand. Their strong preference is for Texas A&M-to-the-SEC to implode and for the Big 12 to remain viable — essentially, they want the status quo for as long as they can get it.

                              Why? Because they have everything they want.

                              The conference has stability… it has a football championship game … it has the richest TV deal in college sports history … and it has a wholly-owned network(s) to serve its fans, provide unprecedented exposure for its athletes, promote the league’s academic mission — and generate millions of dollars per school annually once it attains maximum distribution.

                              The CEOs believe the Pac-12 is the best-positioned conference in the country. They don’t want 16 teams, and they don’t want the SEC and Big Ten going to 16 teams, either.

                              But …

                              *** If Texas A&M becomes the SEC’s 13th team, that sets the superconferences in motion.

                              “The SEC won’t stop at 13, or even 14. And if the SEC is at 14 or 16, the Big Ten will do it,” a source said. ”At that point, (the Pac-12) would be crazy not to entertain the idea of expansion.”

                              (Multiple sources said the SEC’s 14th team would most likely be Missouri. Combine untapped TV dollars with geography, and the schools that make the most sense for the SEC are Texas A&M, Missouri and Virginia Tech.)

                              Only if the SEC goes to 13 would the Pac-12 evaluate its options.

                              It won’t take Oklahoma unless A&M leaves first, despite the accelerated timeline laid out last week by Oklahoma President David Boren.

                              *** And yes, in all likelihood the Pac-12 would take Oklahoma and Oklahoma State even if Texas were off the table, multiple sources said.

                              “Right now, it’s wait-and-see mode,” added one. “The happiest result for the Pac-12 is if the status quo is maintained.”

                              Academics would be a point of contention if the status quo unravels, however.

                              Sources said that at least five schools (Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA and Washington) have serious questions about admitting the Oklahoma schools, which are not members of the Association of American Universities.

                              But when I asked a source close to Stanford president John Hennessy, one of the league’s most influential CEOs, if the AAU issue would be a deal-breaker, the answer was: “Probably not.”

                              Said another source: “If Larry (Scott) thinks adding (Oklahoma and OSU) is the right thing, the CEOs will ultimately fall in line.”

                              (Utah is not an AAU member. Nor are Arizona State, Oregon State and Washington State, for that matter.)

                              *** Would Texas be off the table for the Pac-12?

                              Sources said the implosion of the Big 12 would leave the Longhorns with only two choices: the Pac-12, or independence.

                              In other words, the Big Ten is not an option for the Longhorns because the B10 doesn’t want Texas Tech — and TTU would be a package deal with UT.

                              Taking the independent path would be fraught with challenges for Texas, which would have to find a home for its Olympic sports.

                              As noted on the Hotline recently, and confirmed by sources in the media-rights industry, there is more money for Texas in the Pac-16 than in the Big 12 or as an Independent — perhaps not in the first few years, but certainly once the league’s TV network(s) ramps up distribution and advertising.

                              But Texas-to-the-Pac won’t work unless the Longhorns agree to the league’s revenue sharing model, and the CEOs won’t budge on that issue.

                              So UT would have to swallow its pride and take the same cut as Texas Tech.

                              (Cue chuckles from Lubbock … and College Station.)

                              *** At the root of Big 12 destabilization is not Texas A&M’s departure — that’s hardly a death blow — but the deteriorating relationship between Texas and Oklahoma.

                              “Their bond has frayed,” a source said. “Texas overplayed its hand …

                              “Oklahoma wants into the Pac-12 with or without Texas. The partnership is no longer sacrosanct.”

                              *** If massive realignment occurs with the Oklahoma schools, Texas and TTU joining the Pac-12 … and with A&M and Missouri headed to the SEC … then Kansas probably goes to the Big East, likely in tandem with Kansas State.

                              The Big 12 schools in the biggest trouble would be Baylor and Iowa State.

                              “They might have to go backwards,” said a source — meaning Conference USA or the Mountain West.

                              *** A critical but oft-overlooked component to the realignment game is the SEC’s financial aims.

                              The conference cannot renegotiate its long-term deals with CBS and ESPN without membership change, and in order to get maximum value, it needs 16 teams.

                              From Gainesville to Knoxville to Baton Rouge, and all points along the way, the feeling among SEC athletic directors can be summed up like this:

                              “We’ve won five consecutive national titles and the Pac-12 has a richer TV deal than we do. What’s the hell’s going on?”

                              Hence the sooner-than-expected developments with A&M.

                              *** The Big Ten won’t expand until it’s time to renegotiate the league’s deals with CBS and ESPN, which expire in 2016, according to a source.

                              At that point, if the Pac-12 and the SEC have grown to 16 teams, then Notre Dame will join the Big Ten.
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                              • TDenverFan
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                                #945
                                Re: A&M to the SEC starting to blow up again on Twitter

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