Is The New Aggressive Catch Overpowered? (Possible Tweak Coming In Tuning Update?)

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Re what the developer said: Draft champions, I understand. But the more egregious was H2H, which he said should play differently. I was bombing it up to Martavis who, while a good player, should not have been coming down with those. Nor should Mike Wallace have been.

As for the rest, I still think we're talking past each other and answering two different questions. And I suppose there are a few questions at play:

1. (How I read the thread) Is the aggressive catch mechanic OP?

2. Can the aggressive catch mechanic be toned down through sliders or unofficial/CFM "rules" of gameplay?

I think the answer to both is yes. Sliders alone seem to be doing wonders. But that doesn't help MUT or H2H or Draft Champions.

I agree with the last part except, from what I'm seeing here at OS, the reports are overwhelming that the aggressive catch mechanic isn't over powered. (MUT and H2H I would probably agree with that)

And I can be a good judge of that when I have the game on Tuesday.

I agree with MUT and H2H, but I'll go with Rex's explanations on DC.

[Trick13]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

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I think the answer to both is yes. Sliders alone seem to be doing wonders. But that doesn't help MUT or H2H or Draft Champions.

MUT stinks!!!

H2H online ranked should be moved to All-Madden, problem solved, no tuning required. Your welcome and have a nice day...

[bkrich83]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

When it comes to stuff like this, I bought the game, it's my game, and I'll play it the way that I want to or suits me.



Options, options and more options.



No offense, but to each their own.

Excellent point. I wish others would realize people have different preferences when it comes to how to play these games.


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[Chimphoe]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

MUT stinks!!!

H2H online ranked should be moved to All-Madden, problem solved, no tuning required. Your welcome and have a nice day...

That would be nice, but it won't happen.

[majesty95]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I've played 18 games of Draft Champions (14-4) and yes, aggressive catch is OP for the top receiver like Calvin Johnson and Herman Moore. Playing the CPU or throwing to mediocre to good no. But guys can throw streaks and the inside crossing routes on verts to CJ or Moore all day and come down with 90% of them, even with top CBs covering them. They could drop them just a little and the AI defenders could do a better job of recognizing a guy is throwing the same route from the same formation every 3rd down or every passing play, whatever. They just do not seem to adapt and so its always the same scenario over and over.

[NDAlum]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Re what the developer said: Draft champions, I understand. But the more egregious was H2H, which he said should play differently. I was bombing it up to Martavis who, while a good player, should not have been coming down with those. Nor should Mike Wallace have been.

As for the rest, I still think we're talking past each other and answering two different questions. And I suppose there are a few questions at play:

1. (How I read the thread) Is the aggressive catch mechanic OP?

2. Can the aggressive catch mechanic be toned down through sliders or unofficial/CFM "rules" of gameplay?

I think the answer to both is yes. Sliders alone seem to be doing wonders. But that doesn't help MUT or H2H or Draft Champions.

In the MUT H2H world the game aims to please the masses. Big plays and points are what I believe the casuals want so it's more of an arcade mode.

Maybe they will tweak but I truly believe this is what they envision for the mode. Even if they tweak it another game play exploit will likely be discovered that is frustrating to defend and it will be something you face almost every game.

I am in the group that believes you will never see a game you can't exploit. If people think some perfect game is gonna come out I think they will be forever disappointed.


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[blue21]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Ive played close to 40 games and so far I think its overpowered in this sense.

You can make any tall receiver make catches like OBJ and in the NFL its not like that. Honestly there should only two receivers making these catches. OBJ and Calvin Johnson. THATS IT!! Every single game Ive played there are one or two catches made like this with WR's who shouldn't. So thats my gripe with it.

And Im speaking of the one handed catch animation over one or more defenders

[Gorilla Glass]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I can see it getting toned down due to the effectiveness of social media.

I'm doing at will with guys who have no business pulling it off.

With that said, I will adjust as always but it can be toned to SPC ratings.

[graphster21]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

One thing I have noticed is that the controls on defense seem less responsive and more difficult than the ones on offense when the ball is in the air. A lot of times I press "play WR," but I don't see any animation or anything happen. Also, the on-screen icons almost always tell you to "play aggressive" on the deep passes, which makes it hard to react appropriately.

[CanOfCornCobb]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

Rex said during the EA twitch marathon that the aggressive catch can very easily be tuned if the community wants it to. I have no doubt in my mind there will be a ton of people hitting him up on twitter asking for it to be toned down. I wouldnt worry about it too much.

[D81SKINS]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I'm not sure about User vs User, but I've played 3 full games vs CPU on All-Pro default and I've had maybe 1 or 2 per gm, which wasn't anything crazy one handed, they just got position, and high point caught it.
Actually I've seen many more knocked out than I expected.

I really hope EA doesn't tune this, it's really not OP'd. Rex don't worry about changing this! I'm sure once everyone gets the game and we have a community vote, User vs CPU All-Pro will show that it's not a problem.
Again, I don't play user vs user so not sure how that plays out

[Gorilla Glass]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

One concern I have is no fair play and the effectiveness of the possession catch on 4th down.

Why even have special teams if people aren't going to use it because they don't have to?

[roadman]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

For those of you not reading the whole thread, Rex already pointed out that they will be tuning WR down in a tuning patch.

[orion523]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

I have been playing since 6am today and I'm happy to say that you guys have nothing to worry about in regards to the aggressive catch being overpowered.


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I tend to agree. I played several games during the EA Access trial, and have watched several more streamers including our own Milennium who had a highly entertaining stream last night, and I saw nothing really that gave me the feeling that the aggressive catch mechanic was OP, especially considering that in general the pass rush is on the weak side.

[booker21]

Re: Madden 16: Is the new Aggressive Catch overpowered?

For those of you not reading the whole thread, Rex already pointed out that they will be tuning WR down in a tuning patch.

Hey man,

I follow the whole thread and u didn't see that. Actually he was very cocky on the stream on how the community was wrong and the aggressive catch was not op at all.

I find it hard to believe after that streaming that they will agree that the aggressive catch is op.

What people need to understand is that this is game were the AI don't adjust and most of the play wr are going to be 1 on 1. So if you have a elite wr you can win games by throwing bomb after bomb.

A good ration would be 2 out of 10 or 3 out of 10.




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