As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Not yet, but eventually it could happen. When (if) The Show and NBA2k implement virtual reality features for example, sports gamers might leave Madden in the dust.

Madden would just add virtual reality features.

[vrtkolman]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Madden would just add virtual reality features.

Yeah you are probably right. Oh well.

[callmetaternuts]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm not sure what we mean by slide around in the pocket (assuming a pocket can be created) and what would be the basis for sliding around in the pocket without stepping into one of those fancy new reach sacks.

Would the sense pressure trait be the determining factor for escaping the pocket and throwing. Would they have to roll out around the tackle or would this happen between tackle and guard?

As far as scrambling mariota scrambled 60 times in 15 games last season. So if he scrambles once per quarter is that enough? Based on some fact pattern of the pocket breaking down. If the answer isn't yes then let me know what I'm missing.



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Just minor movements in the pocket would be nice as opposed to sitting on a spot and never moving, even when someone is barreling down on them.

If it would be implemented correctly, it could be trait based or attribute based. Sense Pressure trait, Scramble, etc.

Once per quarter is better than what we have now, and that doesn't count roll out and throw away, roll out and sack, roll out and throw, etc. It's not just tuck and run, it's moving to make room.

As a Bucs fan, I watched their game against the Bengals and Jameis rolled out twice (not designed) on the first drive and both times pressed the line of scrimmage and dumped it off. He'll also run (not designed). Right now, on Madden, no one moves.

I have no idea no idea how to code it, but every QB needs to move some in the pocket. Some slide to avoid pressure, some run at the first sign of trouble, and some run because they've got the legs for it. But no one just sits there, sees the pressure coming and freezes every time.

[Shogunreaper]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

maybe they're making the QB's simulate real players who use the new target passing feature.


i mean technically they'll be standing around like statues too.

[canes21]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I feel like it was the same way last year. If people were able to play a CFM last year and ignore this issue,, they should be able to do it this year.

Is it possible that most here use sliders that reduce the time in the pocket allowing this issue to be hidden at times? This may have been mentioned already here, so I apologize, I've tried reading every post, but I could see that messing with sliders that have coverage playing different than the base game and cutting the time in the pocket back tremendously would help hide this issue in a way. WRs get open quicker, balls out faster like real life, if a sack happens it's like a coverage sack or the slider adjustment causes pockets to not be nearly as perfect making it look hard to scramble away from. All of that would make this issue look not so bad, but when we see the amount of time to pass here we notice the problem more.

[booker21]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I understand that we should play the game first but some of us are very exceptic since we hear this before.

Based on the videos I saw qb play is almost the same as last year. Some plays they roll and look like they have a brain and others they stand still for 9 sec.

iRL qb move inside the pocket. In madden they snap the ball backdrop 3 or 5 steps and stand still.

[thechef128]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

lol i really wanna know whos genius marketing plan it was to have madden talk about absolutely nothing prior to release and then have a bunch of trash *** youtubers go to record gameplay and think this was going to sell us on the game. and everyone said "well I'd rather them do this and get it right than release a bunch of info and it be wrong. IT LOOKS LIKE THE SAME GAME. qb's waiting to get sacked, linebackers useless in the pass game etc. Prior to these videos, we heard way more about fifa and 2k than madden and it comes out before both. I was actually very hype about the game until I saw these videos and I'll probably save my money.

[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Just curious,
Does any have any video showing a scrambling CPU qb use his "SCRAMBLING" trait?
I don't know why they ever took the, Scramble: Never, Sometimes, or Often away?
I bet I still have the Madden that implemented this correctly on my PS3.
I may just Download it on my X1 and play it, if you can.

[JayhawkerStL]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I've seen CPU QBs scramble on most of the videos I watched. I stand by my assumption that the statue issue is more cosmetic than real. But when the dice roll comes up that the QB takes a sack, it looks bad.

But no one has the numbers to really tell if this is a problem yet. The same thing happens in 17, but it wasn't ever considered a game killer.

[SyncereBlackout]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I understand that we should play the game first but some of us are very exceptic since we hear this before.



Based on the videos I saw qb play is almost the same as last year. Some plays they roll and look like they have a brain and others they stand still for 9 sec.



iRL qb move inside the pocket. In madden they snap the ball backdrop 3 or 5 steps and stand still.

This is where I'm struggling. I get the request to roll out or scramble. But what is it everyone else sees happen in the pocket on a timed route?

Source: https://youtu.be/5EatMGoMyoA

3 step drop. Release or take sack.
5 step drop. Release or roll out.

At minimum there's insufficient tape in his highlight reel to say what qbs do for 5 seconds. Because a 5 second pocket in itself boarders unsim


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[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Madden 12 introduces DPP

http://www.muthead.com/forums/madden/mut-discussion/800949-info-you-didnt-know-about-player-traits-from-ea

It was the DPP/Tuck & Run trait, is it back?

I know I'm still playing NCAA 14 b/c the CPU qbs know when to run and elude the sacks.
If M18 doesnt have this, im not buying it.

[schnaidt1]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Osers all seem to be on the same page with how they feel about Madden 18...in nearly every thread everyone has the same opinion and voices it.

so I have 2 questions to ask the community.

1. do you think the Ea devs even see these threads or what we are saying? if so do you think they care?

2. What review Grade do you anticipate OS giving this game? obviously the community is very unhappy, and obviously all the OS mods read what we are saying? do you think they will respond by giving Madden a lower score than the usual 8 or higher?

do you think if they give it an 8 or higher score that the OS community will erupt in frustration??

Im just curious what all you guys think?

[capa]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I think the EA devs are aware...whether they think the fix is something that will be worth it to them to do is another story. They don't do much CPU AI stuff when compared to other fixes. Their view is that it is an online world and user vs user is where it is at. I think they will tweak, but not get it to where it eliminates the issue.

I think OS will rate it between a 7 and 8.

C

[schnaidt1]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I think the EA devs are aware...whether they think the fix is something that will be worth it to them to do is another story. They don't do much CPU AI stuff when compared to other fixes. Their view is that it is an online world and user vs user is where it is at. I think they will tweak, but not get it to where it eliminates the issue.

I think OS will rate it between a 7 and 8.

C

i hope that it rates between 6 an 7...its madden 17 with upgraded graphics...from a patch for ps4 pro...later on....cant reward that.

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[kehlis]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

2. What review Grade do you anticipate OS giving this game? obviously the community is very unhappy, and obviously all the OS mods read what we are saying? do you think they will respond by giving Madden a lower score than the usual 8 or higher?

Nice try but we don't rate the game. We are moderators of the forums, the OS writers write the articles and score the game.

I honestly don't even know how much they read through the forums but it's probably not as much you might think.

Their focus is writing an article about their opinions and I don't think reading other's opinions is really relevant.