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  • D81SKINS
    MVP
    • Dec 2014
    • 1671

    #181
    Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

    I just popped in M25 on the PS3 and, YES, it does have the Tuck & Run trait, and the CPU qb pocket play/sack avoidance/tuck & run all works as it should.

    I'm picked the ALL 25 Team vs Redskins(CPU)
    RG3 has an 89 ovr, tuck and run: Often
    And HE IS SCRAMBLING! He got me on a Pistol PA pass for a td b/c I was playing the run.

    I'm not kidding, even the menus, Layout, etc are all smooth and easy to use.
    It seems like Each new GEN of Madden consoles, the CPU takes a step back.
    Idk, I'm hooked on 25 on last Gen now lol!

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    • deu22ces
      Rookie
      • Jun 2010
      • 207

      #182
      Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

      Originally posted by D81SKINS
      I just popped in M25 on the PS3 and, YES, it does have the Tuck & Run trait, and the CPU qb pocket play/sack avoidance/tuck & run all works as it should.

      I'm picked the ALL 25 Team vs Redskins(CPU)
      RG3 has an 89 ovr, tuck and run: Often
      And HE IS SCRAMBLING! He got me on a Pistol PA pass for a td b/c I was playing the run.

      I'm not kidding, even the menus, Layout, etc are all smooth and easy to use.
      It seems like Each new GEN of Madden consoles, the CPU takes a step back.
      Idk, I'm hooked on 25 on last Gen now lol!
      shh, people might remember or find out what contextual awareness and true step animations were supposed to look like as well. It will throw a wrench in the "best game play" for 16/17/18. That version certainly had flaws as well but what it did right, would be appreciated now. Why the 'Tuck & Run' trait was removed is a head scratcher. Glad you're enjoying the game. My PS3 went to red light heaven years ago now.

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      • schnaidt1
        All Star
        • Sep 2008
        • 5213

        #183
        Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

        Originally posted by kehlis
        Nice try but we don't rate the game. We are moderators of the forums, the OS writers write the articles and score the game.

        I honestly don't even know how much they read through the forums but it's probably not as much you might think.

        Their focus is writing an article about their opinions and I don't think reading other's opinions is really relevant.
        oh sorry i didn't know..


        i guess I'm just hoping the OS writers share the same opinion and views of the game as the vast majority of the community.

        if madden didn't score well with OS..it might finally be a wake up call

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        • jmarcguy
          MVP
          • Dec 2009
          • 1322

          #184
          Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

          I'm pretty sure 15 on PS3 had decent QB movement. That was my return to Madden after over a decade. I remember guys like Griffin taking off every so often.


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          • JayhawkerStL
            Banned
            • Apr 2004
            • 3644

            #185
            Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

            Yeah, the reviewers shouldn't play the game either. Just score it based on what forum members think of the videos and what info EA has released.

            Is this real life?


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            • schnaidt1
              All Star
              • Sep 2008
              • 5213

              #186
              Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

              Originally posted by Jay D
              Yeah, the reviewers shouldn't play the game either. Just score it based on what forum members think of the videos and what info EA has released.

              Is this real life?


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              thata not what i said at all!! stop trying to make things more than what they are to create a drama fest.

              i said its clear how the community feels about the game, playing it won't change the zones, or statue qbs....

              all i said is i hope the reviewers score this game with a consensus that resonates the voice of the communuty... because while playing and testing...they see and understand exactly what everyone else does that carried over from 17 to 18, and find it as unacceptable as we do.

              its not very hard to see how people feel about this game. read through any thread.

              fact: polling 10 people, the results will be the same as polling 1000.

              so go through and find 10 different peoples views on this game from 10 different threads and you tell me your poll results. i promise it translates to higher numbers.

              that being said..

              how do you think the OS community would feel and respond with a review rating coming in giving the game a "great" score??

              there would be way more rants and frustration being posted if this was 10 years ago before new rules and guidelines to how we criticise the game were put in place.

              all im saying is i hope the os reviewers are understanding of the communities vocalized frustrations with a game in its 5th year on next gen and still having the same major issues that plagued last gen games...and i hope they realize that there is no longer an exception that can be made for this year after year when u look at what nba 2k , nhl, mlb, bring to the table each year. the writing is on the wall. and instead of overlooking those major things in their review, i hope they hit on it and hit it hard. the communities voice is only so loud, but a major sports gaming outlet such as OS...well...that voice can be heard for miles and miles. and maybe..just maybe....will get us all the game we want and deserve....next year.

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              • evancitywalker
                Rookie
                • Jun 2016
                • 169

                #187
                Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                I'm not sure if it's been said or not, but the game play videos were all set on all-pro and not all-madden. I could be wrong though. Assuming they were all set on all-pro, there is hope that the QB awareness could be better on all-madden. We won't know until later this evening or at midnight, but I'm holding out hope its better on all-madden or simply adjusting sliders. Fingers crossed.

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                • WillisFaithful
                  Rookie
                  • Jun 2012
                  • 60

                  #188
                  Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                  Not accept what? I do and don't understand everybody's hate ..

                  You will never get a true NFL experience in the palm of your hands, it is impossible ..

                  This at the end of the day is a video game, and is programmed as a video game .. Tannenhill should have ran the ball in the 50 yards of free space, but he didn't because he's not a real person! Most likely programmed with percentages, and his percentage didn't line up with that play .. it's unfortunate but it's mind boggling to me for people to think they should think like a real life person .. that is just asinine .. and on the flip side if Tannenhill took the ball and ran is 10 times in a game because of that situation and had 200 yards rushing people would be snapping .. gotta take the good with the bad ..

                  How many times have you been sitting, watching football and absolutely losing your mind, yelling at the TV for your favorite team's QB to run and he takes a sack or throws it away .. it happens all the time .. in fact looks like the Madden devs hit that on the head ..

                  It is preposterous to think you will be able to mimic NFL games in an AI controlled video game ..

                  Programming I'm sure isn't easy, but what I do know is programming one thing in can completely destroy the rest of your coding and programming .. glitches or it just doesn't work .. this is a huge thing ..

                  I am not defending EA as not having competition is not a good thing, as they have seriously lacked in modes and depth of modes ..

                  When it comes to actual gameplay, it's fun, no its not perfect but perfection is subjective ..

                  No one here or anywhere could program a video game to completely mimic real life situations .. it is just not in the cards, and for people to be whining about it is just ludicrous .. it is a video game, plain and simple, people need to start understanding that ..

                  Lack of modes and depth in modes in one thing people can give their two cents about, not touching franchise is a complete catastrophe, and honestly unacceptable .. but gameplay wise, I enjoy it and understand it's a video game ..

                  I applaud them for dealing with the complete lack of respect from gamers over so many little things ..

                  This is a video game, treat it as such ..
                  Last edited by WillisFaithful; 08-16-2017, 11:39 AM.

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                  • JayhawkerStL
                    Banned
                    • Apr 2004
                    • 3644

                    #189
                    Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                    Originally posted by schnaidt1
                    thata not what i said at all!! stop trying to make things more than what they are to create a drama fest.

                    i said its clear how the community feels about the game, playing it won't change the zones, or statue qbs....

                    all i said is i hope the reviewers score this game with a consensus that resonates the voice of the communuty... because while playing and testing...they see and understand exactly what everyone else does that carried over from 17 to 18, and find it as unacceptable as we do.
                    Originally posted by schnaidt1
                    i hope that it rates between 6 an 7...its madden 17 with upgraded graphics...from a patch for ps4 pro...later on....cant reward that.
                    You said what you said. It's ridiculous to start floating ideas of what the game should be rated, implying that the community will revolt otherwise. If the community starts that crap, it just invalidates the reviews that appear here. None of them should be affected by what community thinks, particularly before anyone has played the game.

                    I don't think that has ever been the case at OS, and I don't think the guys running OS would ever allow that.

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                    • D81SKINS
                      MVP
                      • Dec 2014
                      • 1671

                      #190
                      Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                      Originally posted by deu22ces
                      shh, people might remember or find out what contextual awareness and true step animations were supposed to look like as well. It will throw a wrench in the "best game play" for 16/17/18. That version certainly had flaws as well but what it did right, would be appreciated now. Why the 'Tuck & Run' trait was removed is a head scratcher. Glad you're enjoying the game. My PS3 went to red light heaven years ago now.
                      M25 has way better CPU pocket ability!
                      I played vs Eagles (Mccoy & Vick) last night and both Vick and Mccoy gashes me for 140+ each!

                      Its awesome seeing the cpu avoid sacks and take off when needed! Vs standing like a statue all game!
                      I had to actually contain the qb and spy to slow them down lol

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                      • deu22ces
                        Rookie
                        • Jun 2010
                        • 207

                        #191
                        Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                        Originally posted by WillisFaithful
                        Not accept what? I do and don't understand everybody's hate ..

                        You will never get a true NFL experience in the palm of your hands, it is impossible ..

                        This at the end of the day is a video game, and is programmed as a video game .. Tannenhill should have ran the ball in the 50 yards of free space, but he didn't because he's not a real person! Most likely programmed with percentages, and his percentage didn't line up with that play .. it's unfortunate but it's mind boggling to me for people to think they should think like a real life person .. that is just asinine .. and on the flip side if Tannenhill took the ball and ran is 10 times in a game because of that situation and had 200 yards rushing people would be snapping .. gotta take the good with the bad ..

                        How many times have you been sitting, watching football and absolutely losing your mind, yelling at the TV for your favorite team's QB to run and he takes a sack or throws it away .. it happens all the time .. in fact looks like the Madden devs hit that on the head ..

                        It is preposterous to think you will be able to mimic NFL games in an AI controlled video game ..

                        Programming I'm sure isn't easy, but what I do know is programming one thing in can completely destroy the rest of your coding and programming .. glitches or it just doesn't work .. this is a huge thing ..

                        I am not defending EA as not having competition is not a good thing, as they have seriously lacked in modes and depth of modes ..

                        When it comes to actual gameplay, it's fun, no its not perfect but perfection is subjective ..

                        No one here or anywhere could program a video game to completely mimic real life situations .. it is just not in the cards, and for people to be whining about it is just ludicrous .. it is a video game, plain and simple, people need to start understanding that ..

                        Lack of modes and depth in modes in one thing people can give their two cents about, not touching franchise is a complete catastrophe, and honestly unacceptable .. but gameplay wise, I enjoy it and understand it's a video game ..

                        I applaud them for dealing with the complete lack of respect from gamers over so many little things ..

                        This is a video game, treat it as such ..
                        Appreciate your opinion and take on things. The thing that stuck out while reading your post was that IMO you, and some others who share your opinion, are missing that by and large, the things people are "not wanting to accept" anymore are things that are missing and have been in the game before.

                        The topic of this thread specifically is QB AI. You have someone in here who is posting about playing M25 and seeing that the very things that are "not acceptable" were in the game only 4 years ago (the Tuck and Run trait, QB avoidance, scrambling, breaking pocket containment, etc). For some topics that come up and some posts, sure, I can understand your view. But I don't see how criticizing people who simply want back the very things EA provided before is applicable.

                        You're free to disagree, but some substance is lost in your argument that we expect too much out of a video game when we've already had what people are asking for...in the same game title by the same company.

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                        • JayhawkerStL
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2004
                          • 3644

                          #192
                          Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                          Here's the problem. In the one thread that talked about the terrible sack Prescott took, which is a textbook example of what people are talking about, the OP failed to mention the perfect scramble out of pressure and thrown on the run on the very next play. Moreover, there were several sacks in that 14 minute clip, but only the one looked bad.

                          No one is saying that the statue looking QBs is a good look. But since no one has played the game, they are just picking and choosing what to complain about out of videos, but are failing to put the plays in the proper context of the whole game.

                          It won't be long. We will all see more soon.

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                          • schnaidt1
                            All Star
                            • Sep 2008
                            • 5213

                            #193
                            Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                            Originally posted by deu22ces
                            Appreciate your opinion and take on things. The thing that stuck out while reading your post was that IMO you, and some others who share your opinion, are missing that by and large, the things people are "not wanting to accept" anymore are things that are missing and have been in the game before.

                            The topic of this thread specifically is QB AI. You have someone in here who is posting about playing M25 and seeing that the very things that are "not acceptable" were in the game only 4 years ago (the Tuck and Run trait, QB avoidance, scrambling, breaking pocket containment, etc). For some topics that come up and some posts, sure, I can understand your view. But I don't see how criticizing people who simply want back the very things EA provided before is applicable.

                            You're free to disagree, but some substance is lost in your argument that we expect too much out of a video game when we've already had what people are asking for...in the same game title by the same company.
                            exactly!! imagine what people would be saying if madden 18 had madden 05s franchise mode coupled with head coach 09? throw in madden 06 superstar mode. and build upon older games qb play while upgrading graphics and innovating core gameplay and presentation elements??


                            you cant tell me.it cant be done because 2k has tendencies for every player that help that player play like his real life counter part ...it is impossible for madden to do this with simply just using ratings ....they need to add tendencies...

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                            • WillisFaithful
                              Rookie
                              • Jun 2012
                              • 60

                              #194
                              Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                              Originally posted by deu22ces
                              Appreciate your opinion and take on things. The thing that stuck out while reading your post was that IMO you, and some others who share your opinion, are missing that by and large, the things people are "not wanting to accept" anymore are things that are missing and have been in the game before.

                              The topic of this thread specifically is QB AI. You have someone in here who is posting about playing M25 and seeing that the very things that are "not acceptable" were in the game only 4 years ago (the Tuck and Run trait, QB avoidance, scrambling, breaking pocket containment, etc). For some topics that come up and some posts, sure, I can understand your view. But I don't see how criticizing people who simply want back the very things EA provided before is applicable.

                              You're free to disagree, but some substance is lost in your argument that we expect too much out of a video game when we've already had what people are asking for...in the same game title by the same company.
                              Understandable ..

                              I totally get and agree with what you're saying but my point is that having everything together may not work on a programming level ..

                              So many variables .. different years, different systems and different engines ..

                              Whether you see it once or a million times programming is basically RNG when it comes to CPU AI .. you may see a QB react one way in a game, but the next time you play him he doesn't react in the same way ..

                              We've seen a small sample size of Madden 18 .. maybe when you play it Tannenhill will take off and burn you for 20-30 yards .. and the next time the play arises he won't ..

                              My point is this isn't real life and they won't react in a real life scenarios every time .. it's impossible ..

                              For anyone to say that in previous Madden's that every QB reacted the way they would in real life every play, was probably dreaming .. as AI don't have real thinking brains ..

                              Playing the game will be the only way to really see .. small sample size videos will not account for all the AI and it's instances ..

                              Gameplay will never be free flowing, it will never be without it's glitches and it won't ever be without it's issues .. but really the gameplay is still very fun, and it does a good job ..
                              Last edited by WillisFaithful; 08-16-2017, 01:27 PM.

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                              • King Gro23
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2008
                                • 2548

                                #195
                                Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

                                We gotta to hurt their pockets or come up with a multi million petition for 2k to work magic with NFL again.., sad thing is I have visuals in my head of how complete a 2k football game would be. Scary to say but maybe even more polished than their basketball game


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