As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

[extremeskins04]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Just give me Franchise Mode as it existed in M2004. That's all I've been asking for.

Sell it as an add-on, online content, h@ll, I'll pay for 2 games.

Name your price. I'll drop a couple hundred bucks. THATS what it would mean to me.

.. and if I am in the minority on this, it sure does seem like a vocal one.


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I'm with ya man.

Hell if they made CFM like what Deuce has in his thread and was done right? I'd easily drop $200 for the game, probably more.

[reyes the roof]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm with ya man.

Hell if they made CFM like what Deuce has in his thread and was done right? I'd easily drop $200 for the game, probably more.

Or make a separate game with no other modes, no play now, no MUT, just nothing but an enhanced franchise mode and the weekly roster updates. I'd pay full price for a game with nothing but franchise mode if it works the way I want it to.


I'd even be happy if the game had the previous year's gameplay. I'd pay $60 for Madden 17 gameplay with a much improved franchise mode

[booker21]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

This is where I'm struggling. I get the request to roll out or scramble. But what is it everyone else sees happen in the pocket on a timed route?

Source: https://youtu.be/5EatMGoMyoA

3 step drop. Release or take sack.
5 step drop. Release or roll out.

At minimum there's insufficient tape in his highlight reel to say what qbs do for 5 seconds. Because a 5 second pocket in itself boarders unsim


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I'm not sure your point but maybe you misunderstood my comment. What I meant is that in madden qb backdrop and stand still. They don't move and usually they get sacked without even trying to move.

I think that in madden it look so bad because IRL QB don't have 5 or 6 seconds to throw. So when in madden you see a QB taking the sack after holding the ball for 6 seconds is a no no.


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[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

If this is true, then does the offline subset of OS make us look even smaller?

Legit question: can EA harvest data from people who play offline with local saves.



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Yes they can as long as you are logged in online.

[aholbert32]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Ok so how much of this has to do with QB Style?

For example, I've played around 6 full games and the only person that I saw consistently scramble was Russel Wilson and he is set to "Scrambling" on QB Style. I played Cam and he didnt scramble at all because his QB Style was "Balanced" AND his pressure sense was "Oblivious"

[roadman]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I agree with much of what you said.

My take on this is rather simple. They don't want to. Not that they are not aware of the CPU shortcomings in QB play and play calling, etc...they of course are aware. They do not want to fix it.

Why? That's for them to know and for us to speculate on. Many reasons I am sure. But after how many years now have we been asking for this? Five? Ten? Twenty? I think the answer lays in their non-action.

They don't want to take this on. They will make small "tweaks" which they hope alleviate most of the problem in QB CPU play, but they don't want to make the CPU AI, play selection, etc more true to life and "real."

If they wanted to, they would have by now. They don't want to do it..regardless of how often their pre-release interviews and blogs reference simulation and making the game as close to what you see on Sunday as possible.

Well, according to the last interview with Clint, Clint and Rex want to improve CPU AI.

So, I don't know if you have more inside scoop than interviews, but sounds like more speculation just because nothing has been touched in this area.

Also, this isn't directed to the person I just quoted, but how do we go from CPU QB Play to Franchise Mode? Franchise mode doesn't belong in this thread.

Thanks.

[D81SKINS]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Just slowing down the QBs drop back would help, however, I'm also wanting to see the CPU QB know when to T&R.
This current state has to improve for us "Sim vs CPU" guys.
I would love to have to use the QB spy and/or Contain, due to the CPU actually forcing me to.
I just don't get why more and more of the CPUs abilities are taken away? Why take away Tuck & Run? Why Doesn't the CPU learn our tendencies, and force us to adjust?
Idk, I hope they come through for Sim vs CPU guys.

Forgot to add: What about this Adaptive Traits that can change during the game? I shared a video of it on M12 w/ Eli adjusting after getting hit early on. Why take away things that worked.
I agree, Maybe EA should make 2 Different Maddens! They could still have it 1 disc, but, they'd make more w/ different discs.

[capa]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Well, according to the last interview with Clint, Clint and Rex want to improve CPU AI.

So, I don't know if you have more inside scoop than interviews, but sounds like more speculation just because nothing has been touched in this area.

Also, this isn't directed to the person I just quoted, but how do we go from CPU QB Play to Franchise Mode? Franchise mode doesn't belong in this thread.

Thanks.

That was actually part of my point. I also have heard the interviews on them wanting to improve cpu AI, make the game as real as possible, etc...etc. My point was, they say these things...but don't do them. For years.

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[Armor and Sword]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Ok so how much of this has to do with QB Style?

For example, I've played around 6 full games and the only person that I saw consistently scramble was Russel Wilson and he is set to "Scrambling" on QB Style. I played Cam and he didnt scramble at all because his QB Style was "Balanced" AND his pressure sense was "Oblivious"

You are on to something!!!!

I may go in and do full QB edits and test all this if after the day 0 patch this is still an issue.

And 99% of the time I get the statue effect is on vertical plays and screens.

[RogerDodger]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm with ya man.

Hell if they made CFM like what Deuce has in his thread and was done right? I'd easily drop $200 for the game, probably more.

Pricing most gamers out of buying it is even less likely to happen than for them just to develop franchise mode properly to begin with. What they need to do is find a way to monetize it like 2k has with My GM. Nobody desperately wants to have a virtual currency but providing it's possible to play it perfectly well without using it and it means that the mode gets the attention it deserves, so be it.

[Speedy]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I know they've seen Deuce's work (especially his franchise menu redesigns).

Hmm.

So the question is...what will they do with it? Curious Mill, have they disclosed their thoughts on it and what/if they'll put in scope for future cycles?

[jfsolo]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Hmm.

So the question is...what will they do with it? Curious Mill, have they disclosed their thoughts on it and what/if they'll put in scope for future cycles?

It would be crazy them to say anything other than "we've seen it". Even hinting at things from that blueprint being added would be a mistake, because we know that many of the decisions about resource allocation for the mode is made above the developer level.

Saying that something will make it in future additions and then it not happening would cause people here to be even more angry than they are now.

[schnaidt1]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

I'm with ya man.

Hell if they made CFM like what Deuce has in his thread and was done right? I'd easily drop $200 for the game, probably more.

its crazy that EA has ppl willing to pay over 200 for them to add features and depth to a franchise mode that 2k gives in their bball game for free at the $60 price point.

Suppy and demand...by taking away features we want, they have created this insane demand and have thus been able to allow their consumer to offer a price increase from the product supplier....just to get what they want out of the game...

shrewd business tactics right there...but i mean....id pay 200 for that game too lol

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[IcedCoffee1983]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

You are on to something!!!!

I may go in and do full QB edits and test all this if after the day 0 patch this is still an issue.

And 99% of the time I get the statue effect is on vertical plays and screens.

Has EA addressed in any way if the day 0 patch might have an effect on CPU QB AI?

Because reading through this thread and seeing the videos, boy, do things look bad.

Even a non-scrambling QB should run forward a little bit and QB slide with some of those wide open fields where they choose to throw instead.

[schnaidt1]

Re: As a community we cannot accept the current CPU QB play.

Has EA addressed in any way if the day 0 patch might have an effect on CPU QB AI?

Because reading through this thread and seeing the videos, boy, do things look bad.

Even a non-scrambling QB should run forward a little bit and QB slide with some of those wide open fields where they choose to throw instead.

its much better, they really only have issues when they run verts or screen passes.

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