JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

[bucknut7]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

They were edits made when previously attempting a different approach to address a couple of the game's issues. They are simply no longer needed (nor recommended due to the potential for deleterious impacts) with the current setup.

Cool thanks. I enjoy the thought you put in to each tweak, so was just curious

[bostonboy_003]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

Any other last minute settings for Franchise mode? About to start my franchise with the Redskins!

I am using default 75 man preseason roster, have sliders exactly as they are listed on the OP, etc

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

Any other last minute settings for Franchise mode? About to start my franchise with the Redskins!

I am using default 75 man preseason roster, have sliders exactly as they are listed on the OP, etc

Nope, rock on.

[GoBlue81188]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

The set is tremendous, I’ll say this: RATINGS MATTER.

Make sure you understand the opponent, but also self scout. I’m improving because I understand what my guys can do best now, and I call plays accordingly.

Injuries take a huge toll as well, so always be looking to upgrade your depth. I’m still in the camp that there are too many injuries to ball carriers, but it is what it is. Can’t change the slider, so I’ve gone to more roster edits (which are no guarantee either).

Cheers boys and gals! Let’s see some franchise updates from everyone!

[Theseos]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

I just want to say, I played about 12 games with your sliders in my first season of my Franchise. We went 11-1 and the games were starting to get a little stale, so I went another direction and tried someone else's sliders from game 13-SB...We still blew everyone out, except for the Patriots.

Next season, preseason game 1 was a ridiculous blowout...so I decided to give your sliders another shot. This time though, I went to the main menu and made the changes there that you recommend (somehow I'd forgotten to do that before). My GAWD! What a difference! I finished the preseason 3-1 and the games felt smooth and challenging, everything was better. Control, injuries, challenge, I punted more than I've done in a long long time.

Week 1 against the Panthers was one of the best games of madden I think I've ever played! It was our rookie QB's first NFL game and my god he started slow. I think he was 4-18 for 48 yards 0tds 1int at halftime. Offensively we just weren't having a good day. The pressure kept getting to him and he'd constantly overthrow the receiver. Michael Thomas just barely couldn't get his feet inbounds on a beautiful deep corner throw. We were just off rythme. It was 17-3 at halftime, Kuechly had caused 1 fumble.

We came out that second half, completed a 2 play drive that ended with a deep post route that beat the cover 1 blitz for a TD! The rook threw the most beautiful lob I've ever seen in a Madden game just as he got lite up by a blitzing safety. 75yds and we never looked back! We won 31-24, rookie ended up throwing 4tds and Kuechly caused one more fumble, but my god what a game it was!

Thanks for helping me have one of the best Madden experiences I've had in a long long time bro!

Stats (other than opposing teams completion percentages (70% ish) were INCREDIBLY realistic. Our HB averaged about 4.6ypc for just under 100yds. Cam Newton had about 300yds and my rookie 250yds.

[bostonboy_003]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

OK got a big problem. Started my franchise mode with the Skins.

Adrian Peterson, Darrius Guice, Bryce Love all have suffered serious injuries and its not even halftime yet.

Along with 2 guys on my defense. WTF?

[Executor]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

OK got a big problem. Started my franchise mode with the Skins.

Adrian Peterson, Darrius Guice, Bryce Love all have suffered serious injuries and its not even halftime yet.

Along with 2 guys on my defense. WTF?

I play with sliders based on Josh's set and philosophy, with only some minor tweaks not really worth mentioning, except one:

I have injury slider set at 45 inside CFM (50 in MM) and I barely see any injuries except fo my HBs, and even these are no longer than out-for-the-game. No off-ball injuries to anybody, though. No injuries to other positions, game-long or out several for several weeks. But I am still afraid of what I would see with injuries turned up to 50, especially regarding HBs. I really do not want my HB room turning into a MASH unit, which obviously is your case, and many others see that, too.

Josh what do YOU see, especially in regard to your HBs, but also in general?

[Theseos]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

OK got a big problem. Started my franchise mode with the Skins.

Adrian Peterson, Darrius Guice, Bryce Love all have suffered serious injuries and its not even halftime yet.

Along with 2 guys on my defense. WTF?

I too have had a couple injuries to my RBS with these sliders, but I will say Adrian Peterson, Darrius Guice, and Bryce Love are all players who have histories of injuries. Guice hasn't played a down in the NFL yet because of injury, Bryce Love missed most of last year in college due to injury, and I can't remember the last time AP finished a whole season. I wouldn't be surprised if this happened in real life, to be honest.

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JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

In three games in a Browns test CFM, I have had Njoku, Beckham, Hunt, Chubb, and one player on D go down for multiple weeks. The injuries is the one thing that spooks me but I would be afraid to change it much cause everything rolls so well. Double edge sword..at least until we see what happens in the first big patch.


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[Theseos]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

In three games in a Browns test CFM, I have had Njoku, Beckham, Hunt, Chubb, and one player on D go down for multiple weeks. The injuries is the one thing that spooks me but I would be afraid to change it much cause everything rolls so well. Double edge sword..at least until we see what happens in the first big patch.


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That's why handcuffs in fantasy FB are a real thing. I think because Madden football games haven't properly simulated injuries in the NFL for a LONG time, maybe never, we have an idealized vision of NFL team rosters. Teams have to gameplan for injuries. It's why the free agency exists and why some teams that have all the talent and potential in the world underachieve....a running joke amongst commentators is that the team that stays the healthiest stands the best chance to win it all...there's a TON of truth to this....and sometimes all you can do is give that 60ovr rookie who showed flashes in the preseason (because that's what preseason is for, hope you didn't waste it like we've been trained to do by Madden's past) some game time and hope for the best...Ultimately, injuries are as much a part of football as touchdowns and field goals...that's why they call it a gladiator sport...sadly Madden never really represented that very well.

P.S.
I think this opens the door, in conjunction with the scenario engine (particularly the dev trait boosting ones) to result in "blessing in disguise situations" ala Drew Bledsoe/Tom Brady...or Tony Romo/Dak Prescott....or Trent Green/Kurt Warner....the list goes on and on

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

So, I'm using the Redskins too....and Peterson/Love both got hurt (which makes sense given their ratings) along with Thompson. Peterson is now back and rolling and Love is due back soon. Ironically, Guice held up pretty well.

I'll say a couple of things:

1. Dropping the injury slider will basically kill-off injuries at all other positions - this is a complete non-starter for me.
2. Dropping the injury slider will have a deleterious impact on gameplay (loosening things up too much). Believe me, I have tried to make it work on lower levels - it just feels 'off' to me.
3. For whatever reason, the first game or two in franchise are ALWAYS the worst when it comes to injuries; it was like that last year too. I think it's a "slider settling-in" thing.
4. Injury/toughness ratings matter...A TON. It's your franchise - you want to edit their ratings a bit....go ahead. I personally decided to take the blows as they come....it's WAY more interesting/immersive that way.

If I had my druthers (or was on PC) - I would increase injury frequencies across the board, but drop HB and WR back to the same levels as other positions. That's not an option....and frankly, that's the only wart we have here....I'm good with that.

[TuaNaf1892]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

I'm loving these sliders. Played a franchise game with the Panthers against the Rams and held them to under 300 yards total offense. Goff ended 23/29 for 260ish and held Gurley to under 30 yards rushing. Did go 16/16 with Cam for 180 and rushed for 135 (total over 250 yards rushing). Will update more as the season progresses.

[Executor]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

That's why handcuffs in fantasy FB are a real thing. I think because Madden football games haven't properly simulated injuries in the NFL for a LONG time, maybe never, we have an idealized vision of NFL team rosters. Teams have to gameplan for injuries. It's why the free agency exists and why some teams that have all the talent and potential in the world underachieve....a running joke amongst commentators is that the team that stays the healthiest stands the best chance to win it all...there's a TON of truth to this....and sometimes all you can do is give that 60ovr rookie who showed flashes in the preseason (because that's what preseason is for, hope you didn't waste it like we've been trained to do by Madden's past) some game time and hope for the best...Ultimately, injuries are as much a part of football as touchdowns and field goals...that's why they call it a gladiator sport...sadly Madden never really represented that very well.

P.S.
I think this opens the door, in conjunction with the scenario engine (particularly the dev trait boosting ones) to result in "blessing in disguise situations" ala Drew Bledsoe/Tom Brady...or Tony Romo/Dak Prescott....or Trent Green/Kurt Warner....the list goes on and on

Great post and true top to bottom, except for one thing: injuries in Madden last year and this seem heavily tilted towards HB position. I know it is a position of relatively greatest attrition IRL, but the key word here is heavily.

As Josh said, it would be nice if the injury spread would have been more even across all positions, but we have to take what EA gives us.

Rolling with 50 from now on.

[Theseos]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

I guess I haven't played enough games yet to see this play out but I have seen enough football to know that HB's get dinged up ALOT...looking at this from the opposite end of the spectrum, I'd also argue that OL in Madden don't get hurt enough...but by single position....HB/TE is the most injury prone.

Here's an excerpt from the write-up below with some great data on the subject

"First are what I'll call the "mobile" positions. Defensive backs, linebackers, running backs, wide receivers, and tight ends have about a 65 to 70 percent risk of landing on the injury report, a 40 percent chance of missing at least a game, and a 15 to 20 percent chance of missing four or more games in a given season."

When you look at their "first tier" of most likely injured positions, keep in mind that WR/DB/LB positions odds of injury are increased because there are more of them on the field.

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/nfl-injuries-part-iv-variation-position

Just food for thought

[JoshC1977]

Re: JoshC1977's Madden 20 CFM-only Sliders (User vs CPU Only)

As an aside, we’re trying to get some light on the injury issues with Clint on Twitter (focus on lack of oline injuries right now).


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