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  • RyanMoody21
    Pro
    • Jun 2009
    • 690

    #76
    Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

    What do you want it compared too? Really, its not fair to compare it to real life, no game should be held to that standard. Im comparing it to a game 2 and 5 years old.

    Or should I simply just sit on my hands and watch the same game roll down the assembly line for a 5th, 6th, maybe 7th year.

    In maybe my 6th post here, I asked Ian or any Dev directly.

    "Do you feel you made enough changes to Madden 2010 to justify a $60 price tag?"

    If the answer is no, then they need to adjust the price point. For any of us (as consumers) to be dealing with the same issues for this long is inexcusable.

    If ANY other product with a competition, from a toaster to a taco, that had this many constant problems it would have failed years ago.

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    • WolfpackJk
      Rookie
      • Jun 2009
      • 257

      #77
      Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

      Originally posted by mmorg
      I actually enjoyed your videos. In fact a lot better than the other guy, who will remain nameless. I'm not bashing you with my words.

      My main point is, can we give it a rest guys? Yes 2k sports made good football games, can we just let it go? We don't need to bring it up every day to keep reminding everyone of where they exceeded where Madden is lagging behind. WE AS A WHOLE GET IT.
      what u want us to compare madden to then?

      madden 08....weak

      madden 07.....weak

      wait wait madden 06....weak

      you see we cant compare it to previous next gen madden cause they all sucked so we have to go back to last gen with nfl 2k5 and apex even went to madden 04 and 05. so IMO you cant blame anyone but EA for shipping poor quality product
      Madden and NCAA looks nothing more than COSMETIC UPGRADES.

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      • Exonerated
        MVP
        • Dec 2007
        • 4899

        #78
        Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

        Lol that vid^^^^ was pretty funny,

        Yeah. That mid air tackle always pissed me off.

        APEX called it the best of both worlds.

        Like you'd beat a DB, and then your WR explodes.

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        • mmorg
          MVP
          • Jul 2004
          • 2304

          #79
          Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

          Originally posted by WolfpackJk
          what u want us to compare madden to then?

          madden 08....weak

          madden 07.....weak

          wait wait madden 06....weak

          you see we cant compare it to previous next gen madden cause they all sucked so we have to go back to last gen with nfl 2k5 and apex even went to madden 04 and 05. so IMO you cant blame anyone but EA for shipping poor quality product
          2K made a football game? WHAT?
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          • RyanMoody21
            Pro
            • Jun 2009
            • 690

            #80
            Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!



            Scroll to 6:30.

            Way to many similarities to the play I just ran. At least in player reactions and end result.

            The FB and WR are nearly identical in reactions, but the FB does hit the LB.

            However he pushes him in the guard, and they both release the defenders once that happens and the HB gets tackled. Oh yea, the lineman that creates the crease for the RB to run through gets hit with a holding call.

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            • uncle ruckus1
              Banned
              • Jun 2009
              • 94

              #81
              Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

              Originally posted by RMoody
              What do you want it compared too? Really, its not fair to compare it to real life, no game should be held to that standard. Im comparing it to a game 2 and 5 years old.

              Or should I simply just sit on my hands and watch the same game roll down the assembly line for a 5th, 6th, maybe 7th year.

              In maybe my 6th post here, I asked Ian or any Dev directly.

              "Do you feel you made enough changes to Madden 2010 to justify a $60 price tag?"

              If the answer is no, then they need to adjust the price point. For any of us (as consumers) to be dealing with the same issues for this long is inexcusable.

              If ANY other product with a competition, from a toaster to a taco, that had this many constant problems it would have failed years ago.
              this is why i said madden should consider this http://www.operationsports.com/forum...rough-pns.html
              Last edited by uncle ruckus1; 07-07-2009, 02:23 AM.

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              • mmorg
                MVP
                • Jul 2004
                • 2304

                #82
                Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                Originally posted by RMoody
                What do you want it compared too? Really, its not fair to compare it to real life, no game should be held to that standard. Im comparing it to a game 2 and 5 years old.
                Responding to this though, why not compare it to real life? Look at MLB 09: The Show. It's very realistic in the way it looks and plays. It's obvious they have developers who are striving to get everything out of the game that is possible.

                Ian has shown us a glimpse of this but the jury is out until August 14th. I can only hope he follows through on his commitment and doesn't fall into the trap it seems the NCAA team has fallen into.
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                • RyanMoody21
                  Pro
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 690

                  #83
                  Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                  Originally posted by mmorg
                  Responding to this though, why not compare it to real life? Look at MLB 09: The Show. It's very realistic in the way it looks and plays. It's obvious they have developers who are striving to get everything out of the game that is possible.

                  Ian has shown us a glimpse of this but the jury is out until August 14th. I can only hope he follows through on his commitment and doesn't fall into the trap it seems the NCAA team has fallen into.
                  You cant compare American football to a "stick and ball" sport in real life, so why even start to compare them in game form?

                  Football games are in charge of replicating and translating the thoughts and actions of 22 players each play. Bear in mind thats before any user input comes into play. A daunting task to say the least.

                  Right now Madden cant compare to 2k, at least from a gameplay standpoint. Anybody who wants to debate that, take a good look at the absolute mess Madden made of a simple inside run. Lets see Madden get on par (or maybe even better than) 2k5 or APF from a game play stand point, then work on matching its real life counterpart.

                  Watching how the game deals with that run, really makes me wonder if it is fixable. I think we can all agree that play was unacceptable and was not a one in a million occurance.

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                  • WolfpackJk
                    Rookie
                    • Jun 2009
                    • 257

                    #84
                    Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                    ^^^^totally agree.

                    actually people should check apex latest video showing dick butkus and at going toward the very end of the video, he pointed out a play that was a nice replica of his vid about run blocking for 2k5
                    Madden and NCAA looks nothing more than COSMETIC UPGRADES.

                    EASY, BREEZY, BEAUTIFUL, COVERGIRL

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                    • mmorg
                      MVP
                      • Jul 2004
                      • 2304

                      #85
                      Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                      Originally posted by RMoody
                      You cant compare American football to a "stick and ball" sport in real life, so why even start to compare them in game form?

                      Football games are in charge of replicating and translating the thoughts and actions of 22 players each play. Bear in mind thats before any user input comes into play. A daunting task to say the least.

                      Right now Madden cant compare to 2k, at least from a gameplay standpoint. Anybody who wants to debate that, take a good look at the absolute mess Madden made of a simple inside run. Lets see Madden get on par (or maybe even better than) 2k5 or APF from a game play stand point, then work on matching its real life counterpart.

                      Watching how the game deals with that run, really makes me wonder if it is fixable. I think we can all agree that play was unacceptable and was not a one in a million occurance.
                      I agree with you the whole way. My original point is why do we need to have a new thread comparing Madden 0X to every football game in existence every single day?

                      Like I said. We get it Madden sucks, it truly is a horrible representation of football at this point. This forum has done a really good job of beating a dead horse by constantly comparing it to everything.

                      But really we should be comparing the game to real life since that is ultimately what we want replicated on our console of choice. I could care less how 2k made a football game. I want EA to find out how to get a Belichick Defense/Offense to be accurately portrayed in the game. I want the Steelers running game to work in the game just like it does in real life. I want the Colts' passing attack to look in game just like it does in real life, I don't want it to look like 2k8 or NFL Gameday or NFL Fever. It's getting really old with the constant comparisons to other video games. I don't want a video game, I want a football simulation.
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                      • RyanMoody21
                        Pro
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 690

                        #86
                        Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                        Until we have full 11 vz 11 online play (including guys willing to play ultra boring offensive line positions) we will never have a "true" simulation. I doubt any of us live to see the day that a computer (much less gaming console) is able to replicate the thoughts of 22 individual human beings accurately and differently ever second fo every play, and make judgements for them.

                        Whenever I start to think about how smart computers are and maybe how they could take over the world, I think of the self checkout lanes. They have zero idea what goes on in real life. When ever you roll through with a case or two of water, it should go without saying you want to "skip bagging", but its not smart enough to know that. It just lights up and cries until you get a dirty look from a cashier, who knows you shouldn't have taken an order that large to the self check out.

                        To recap, no game engine will be capable of replicating real life, and when it does we should be scared.

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                        • mmorg
                          MVP
                          • Jul 2004
                          • 2304

                          #87
                          Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                          It doesn't notice that you don't need to bag two cases of water because it isn't programmed to react in such a way. Nobody thought a Computer could beat a World Champion Chess player at Chess either, but we all know how that turned out. I think what we need to realize is that a football game needs to be made by people who truly care about the product they are producing. Like I said, Ian and crew have really shown a lot of promise this year but only the future can tell us what's in store. With how fast computers are advancing and the amount of power available now I don't see why they can't produce a very realistic game on the next set of consoles that will be coming out. They are sure to have Quad-Core Processors, SLI configured graphics cards and Gigs of Ram.
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                          • N@X_WiZaRD
                            Banned
                            • Feb 2009
                            • 186

                            #88
                            Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                            Originally posted by RMoody
                            Until we have full 11 vz 11 online play (including guys willing to play ultra boring offensive line positions) we will never have a "true" simulation. I doubt any of us live to see the day that a computer (much less gaming console) is able to replicate the thoughts of 22 individual human beings accurately and differently ever second fo every play, and make judgements for them.

                            Whenever I start to think about how smart computers are and maybe how they could take over the world, I think of the self checkout lanes. They have zero idea what goes on in real life. When ever you roll through with a case or two of water, it should go without saying you want to "skip bagging", but its not smart enough to know that. It just lights up and cries until you get a dirty look from a cashier, who knows you shouldn't have taken an order that large to the self check out.

                            To recap, no game engine will be capable of replicating real life, and when it does we should be scared.
                            That's true, gaming engines don't have to replicate real-life to be realistic. No one needs Madden to replicate the inner-machinations of Peyton Manning's day dreams before he throws a pass, lol. We just want a simulation of general football AI - complemented with slight customizations to adequately accommodate Manning's eccentricities. It's very do-able, as 2k has proven over and over again.

                            Like you've been inferring in your videos, It just seems that Madden needs an engine (or engines) that better fits real-football on a rudimentary level. Simply adding features like Pro-Tak doesn't seem like it's going to fix much.
                            Last edited by N@X_WiZaRD; 07-07-2009, 03:24 AM.

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                            • mmorg
                              MVP
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 2304

                              #89
                              Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                              Couldn't have said it better myself.
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                              • Vikes1
                                Proctor, MN. Go Rails!
                                • May 2008
                                • 4102

                                #90
                                Re: this is the most funny yet true video ever!!!!!

                                I'm not sure if I remember right or not. But I thought that Ian himself had said that physics and momentum weren't really able to be properly addressed for Madden '10'. Again...not sure if thats correct.

                                This is my main concern for M10. With all of the other upgrades that were accomplished with this dev cycle...it'll be a shame if the lack of proper physics etc, drag the game down.
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