Brett Favre=Mr. Overrated (Now officially back)

[Saber]

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Favre's gunslinger mentality is what helped usher the era of the Packers in the early to mid 90's, though once the talent caught up around him, he couldn't harnass the gunslinger mentality he had developed early on being by being their only play maker. The sheer talent on those Packers teams from about 1993 - 1998 is staggering and it's shocking they only were able to capture one Superbowl in that time.

[wwharton]

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So now that Favre isn't playing for the Vikes you're back on board with him? Seriously, all one has to do is type "Favre" into the search engine here and explore the more popular Favre threads over the last year to see you bashing him along with everyone else, from his character right on down to his play.

Not trying to call you out. I respect you as a poster. I'm just curious because you've been one of the Packers fans who hasn't apologized for Favre over the last year with his various antics and you've criticized his play as well as his behavior. All is forgiven as long as he doesn't play for the Vikes?

I gotta back PPM bc in those same discussions I'm sure I convinced people that I hate Favre more than Satin himself. The problem is looking at everything from an extremely general perspective (and the same is true in this thread). I personally DO think Favre is overrated... as well as Brady and Big Ben (and honestly, Flacco at this point). Overrated just means the player is being projected better than you think they are. I don't think Favre is the best QB ever so therefore I think he's overrated. You have to consider, however, the HUGE range still left below "Best ever". He's a first ballot HOFer and no doubt one of the best QBs ever to step on a football field. Nitpicking everything he did wrong (or right coming from the other side) will never define him... he's the combination of it all, and that still puts him somewhere around the top 10 QBs to ever play. Pretty damn good company.

I've been talking about Favre's ego since his first threat to retire and it has gotten nothing but worse sense, and my respect for him has dropped each year... along with my faith that he can be the best QB for the job considering his growing ego. Today, I'd take Big Ben over Favre too... bc I feel like Ben can be a much better team player and is much younger. Ten years ago, that may not be true. Trying to compare segments of Favre's career to other QBs is kind of silly. Are we talking about today's Favre or Favre overall? And even today's Favre could still be great if he could get over himself (like he did in 07 when he was in training camp early and bought into the system more).

[JBH3]

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Let me clarify my position in NOT thinking Favre is overrated.

I say that because I don't think anyone, nor myself, has said he's the hands down G.O.A.T. He's earned his spot in the discussion, and he's a proven winner.

Maybe someone in these 10+ pages did say he was the G.O.A.T...I don't know I read the first two posts and thought it was funny how he was being made into being overrated.

My posts have been made to eradicate the piling on w/o facts.

Somebody says he didn't do this/do that, and BAM a simple search reveals the contrary.

So do people just want to hate on him because of the off-season retirement fiascos? Then add to that the INT record, and you've got the perfect malotoff cocktail to throw at Brett's legacy.

I think that's unfair. Allow me to police this thread of the unfairness.

[KSUowls]

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Well, Aaron Rodgers may not have Brett's TD numbers, but he also doesn't have his game-losing INT numbers either. So you take what you can with him.

With Favre you have to take the good with the bad because you know there is going to be a whole lot more good than bad. If it weren't for his 2 touchdown passes earlier in the game it never would have gone to overtime.

If you really want to then sure you can say it's his fault they lost that game, but singling out that instance is ignoring his post season legacy which was pretty good.

I tend not to agree with guys like Steelcurtain311, but Favre blew the 07 NFCCG game against the Giants. Why is it that when Dan Marino's kicker misses a 40 yard game winning field goal to Marino is considered the greatest choker in NFL history while when Favre throws a pick six in OT to lose the game it's everyone else's fault? My problem with Brett Favre is how much of a free pass he's given for his **** ups while other QBs are criticized for things completely out of their control.

I think Marino is unjustifiably criticized for some of his post season losses.

I'm just saying, I thought 'overrated' was a term generally used to describe the media perception of a player. By extent, if Favre's overrated, it's because regardless of how well or poorly he plays the media blows it out of proportion.

So, you can't exactly write-off the media hype, because that's what overrated players have.

It's harder to measure whether or not a player is overrated by fans, because some fans like certain players and dislike others.

In the context of this this thread I believe the term "overrated" means that Favre shouldn't be compared to the all-time greats which I think is wrong.<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[PrettyT11]

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Favre's gunslinger mentality is what helped usher the era of the Packers in the early to mid 90's, though once the talent caught up around him, he couldn't harnass the gunslinger mentality he had developed early on being by being their only play maker. The sheer talent on those Packers teams from about 1993 - 1998 is staggering and it's shocking they only were able to capture one Superbowl in that time.

You also have to remember that during that time they lost to the Cowboys in the playoffs three years straight. The Cowboys was simply the better and more talented team during that time. When they finally didn't have to play the Cowboys in the playoffs they won the Super Bowl. So who knows if they could have won another ring or two during that time if the Cowboys wasn't around.

[KSUowls]

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Brett Favre folds in big games, like the season against DAL and his meltdown against NY. He throws a ton of interceptions and throws them at the worst times. He has NEVER won a game he wasn't supposed to or engineered an upset or game saving drive. His lone Super Bowl title was won on special teams by Desmond Howard. Name me one big game that HE has led GB to a win, one upset he engineered, I can't think of any.

Since it is far too time consuming to bother looking up game by game results, I'll just give you a stat I know off the top of my head. Brett Favre I believe is #2 on the all-time 4th quarter come backs list (feel free to check that because I might be off by a position or two). So the statement in bold absolutely can not be true.

[JBH3]

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Favre's Greatest Moments

*SEE* #'s 2, 3, 5, 6 and 8 so that you know YOU'RE wrong.

I suppose it was Favre's fault too that TO caught that pass in the endzone that ended the '98 season for GB.

Mind you the Pack were only in the game because of:


More Greatness

Even More Greatness

Since it is far too time consuming to bother looking up game by game results, I'll just give you a stat I know off the top of my head. Brett Favre I believe is #2 on the all-time 4th quarter come backs list (feel free to check that because I might be off by a position or two). So the statement in bold absolutely can not be true.

I did most the work for him above.

[KSUowls]

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You also have to remember that during that time they lost to the Cowboys in the playoffs three years straight. The Cowboys was simply the better and more talented team during that time. When they finally didn't have to play the Cowboys in the playoffs they won the Super Bowl. So who knows if they could have won another ring or two during that time if the Cowboys wasn't around.

That's very true. Those Dallas teams may have been the most talented top to bottom teams in history.

[PrettyT11]

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That's very true. Those Dallas teams may have been the most talented top to bottom teams in history.

Yes and as a Cowboys fan I loved every minute of it. Oh the memories.

[wwharton]

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Let me clarify my position in NOT thinking Favre is overrated.

I say that because I don't think anyone, nor myself, has said he's the hands down G.O.A.T. He's earned his spot in the discussion, and he's a proven winner.

Maybe someone in these 10+ pages did say he was the G.O.A.T...I don't know I read the first two posts and thought it was funny how he was being made into being overrated.

My posts have been made to eradicate the piling on w/o facts.

Somebody says he didn't do this/do that, and BAM a simple search reveals the contrary.

So do people just want to hate on him because of the off-season retirement fiascos? Then add to that the INT record, and you've got the perfect malotoff cocktail to throw at Brett's legacy.

I think that's unfair. Allow me to police this thread of the unfairness.

That's the problem with saying anyone's overrated... it has to be compared to something. I generally think of the general view which includes media, average fans, etc. but it could also mean at OS... or in this thread... don't know. The funny thing is my guess is most people rate Favre about the same place, but you throw in the word "overrated" and you have a big argument.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yes and as a Cowboys fan I loved every minute of it. Oh the memories.

I hated every minute of it because it would be the same routine everytime lol. But I loved it in 96 when we finally DIDN'T have to go thru Dallas to get to the Super Bowl.

[PrettyT11]

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I hated every minute of it because it would be the same routine everytime lol. But I loved it in 96 when we finally DIDN'T have to go thru Dallas to get to the Super Bowl.

I still can't damn believe we lost that damn game to the Panthers. It was horrible. At least it was to a North Carolina team though but still pissed me off.

If they would have played in 96 I honestly would have given you guys the slight advantage that game though. You guys would have been at home for a change but then again we was that huge *** gorilla that they couldn't get off thier back. Would have been interesting to see.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Yea, that definitely would've been an interesting but probably a great game right there. It's was almost like how the Colts-Patriots were in the playoffs today. The Cowboys were the Patriots of the 90s and we were like the Colts(present)when we played yall. Cowboys would have own us everytime we came to Texas Stadium(still do, at least in the old one lol)but the only difference is we didn't get a chance to see if we could get over hump against ya'll at home like the Colts did against the Patriots in 06.

[metallicatz]

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Glad you edited your post because a nice, lengthy post for this one lol. Anyway....

I can't apologize to someone who was all about just themselves. I, along with plenty of other Packer Fans as im sure you know, were upset and a little surprised when he initially announced his retirement because after the year that he had, I thought for sure that he was coming back. But when he said he was done, after all the emotional stuff, I was ready to move on and to see Aaron Rodgers finally get his chance to show what he was about, after sitting behind one of the greatest QBs of All Time.

Then when he announced he was coming back, it kind've of caught me off guard because I thought once he said he was done that he was done, so once it was reported that he wanted to come back I was like "Ok.....so what do we do about Rodgers?". And then once I heard that he said he wanted to be traded after being told that we moved on, I wasn't upset at that. What I was upset at was the fact that he wanted to be traded to a division rival just so he can get payback against one man.

And that's where I started to lost a little bit of respect for him because I felt and still feel that he was coming back for the wrong reason. I mean come on, you're trying to get payback against a guy because he didn't go out and get the Coach you wanted? Or because he didn't get the WR you wanted? Or because he wasn't at your doorstep every Offseason begging you to come back? Or because we started to get tired of your annual "Will he or Won't he" mess and decided that we were ready to move on, just like you said you were at that Press Conference, even though we asked if you needed more time to rethink your decision on this but told us that you weren't going to change your mind and that you were done?

Me defending him has nothing to do with him deciding not to go to the Vikings. I'd defend him just like i'm doing right now if he signed with the Cowboys but he would also get the same amount of criticism from me just like anybody else on my team would get. For what he has done off the field for the last 7 years(Retirement talk every year), I'd criticize him for that because I grew tired of it after a while, along with everyone else. Now when it came to what he has done ON the field, I would tell it like it is but I would never go as far as to say: He was overrated, he was a Choker, or say that he cost us games when it wasn't even true.(QB gets ALL the credit/blame when the team wins/loses)

Oh and to answer the question, I forgave Favre for all the crazy **** that he used to put us Packer Fans through while he was here, but I probably won't forgive him for what he was trying to do and why he was trying to do it(sign with Vikings to get payback against TT).

That's cool. Yeah I edited my post because I realized it came off as sounding a little domineering and like a "callout post"....which wasn't my intention at all.

[metallicatz]

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So again, seems like YOUR issue is more with the MEDIA than it is Favre himself. I mean last time I checked, Favre didn't go around pointing fingers and blaming others for losses in games unlike TO did. But I guess that's all apart of BSPN's master plan: To takeover the World and blame TO for every single ****ed up thing in the World.

Well to be honest he did that after his last INT in that Jets/Dolphins game in week 17 last year.