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  • l3ulvl
    Hall Of Fame
    • Dec 2009
    • 17228

    #15121
    Re: NFL Off Topic

    Originally posted by jWILL253
    Passing attempts? That's your argument? Not passes competed, completion percentage, TD total, or even TD:INT, but... Passing attempts?

    Y'all can keep your Stafford-like garbage time 50 attempts per game and all the L's he has to show for it. Give me efficiency that leads to less turnovers and a higher chance of winning.
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    • jWILL253
      You know why I'm here...
      • Jun 2008
      • 1611

      #15122
      Re: NFL Off Topic

      Also, to expand on the guaranteed money issue that's apparently holding the negotiations up for Russell, I just read that Russell really is trying to set a precedent apparently.

      Via Field Gulls http://www.fieldgulls.com/2015/7/27/...aranteed-money :

      Per Cole:

      Wilson has been willing to come down on his demand to be the highest player in the league. In return, however, he's expecting that the guarantee on this deal will come up.

      The Seahawks, a month ago, offered [to Wilson] the Carolina Panthers deal that they gave to Cam Newton, which basically guaranteed $54M and was worth $21M per year. What Wilson is expecting at this point in time is to get somewhere above Ndamukong Suh's $60M figure for a guarantee, according to a source that I've talked to, and basically re-set the notion of where a guarantee should be for a quarterback, and for all players, for that matter.

      This jibes*with an Ian Rapoport report from Sunday*that also had the $21M per-year number as "essentially correct." As Rapoport noted, though, that "sources familiar with the situation say Wilson would make (under the latest offer) below $20 million cash up front," which would be salary for 2015 plus a hefty signing bonus. With Wilson's ridiculously low salary of $1.5M due this year on his rookie deal, the full 'up front' money thing is a sticking point. Most top-tier quarterbacks that have received contract extensions were, at the time, already due to be making double-digit-million dollar salaries in their final year.

      Said Rapoport: "Those in Seattle say there are significant guarantees, but most of the guarantees are simply for injury only." This speaks to the fact that the word "guaranteed" in the NFL is a fairly ambiguous word.

      If Wilson's contract money is all fully guaranteed money, per the NFL CBA, the Seahawks would have to be put the entire amount in an escrow account to be paid out as Wilson's deal matures. Most NFL contracts, however, use "partial guarantees" or "for injury only" guarantees or whatever you want to call them. Essentially, teams do not fully guarantee the money for a player's particular season until that season rolls around. So, for instance, if Wilson is due a guaranteed $20 million in 2017, that $20 million doesn't become fully guaranteed until the start of that year on a pre-determined date (it's also guaranteed for injury, so if Wilson suffered a career ending injury, he'd still get it).

      What this structure does is that this allows the team to cut bait on a player if he's not performing a few years into his deal, and the team can avoid paying that (example) $20 million for that season. Most of the Seahawks' big-time contracts are structured this way, and in fact, most NFL deals are set up this way. For instance, it was originally reported that the Panthers had given Cam Newton $60M guaranteed, but as it turned out, only $31M of that was*fully guaranteed, with the other $29M in "guarantees" for injury only. For Newton's deal, he got a $22.5 million signing bonus and $7.5 million roster bonus upon signing the contract. This is the $31M in fully guaranteed money.

      However, in 2016, Newton will receive a $10 million option bonus, and his 2016 salary will become fully guaranteed if on the roster the 3rd day of the League Year. In 2017, $6 million of his salary will become guaranteed if he's still on the roster the 3rd day of the League Year. These are the so-called rolling guarantees, and the "pay as you go" type of deal the Seahawks are reportedly looking to give Wilson.

      As Cole reports, Wilson is looking to change that paradigm altogether. He essentially is saying that he wants those per-season roster and options bonuses to be fully guaranteed up front. ESPN's Jim Trotter said this morning that,

      "Everything I'm hearing is that the Seahawks are not going to blink in terms of the way they do business.*They are going to maintain the structure of the contracts, they way they've done them in the past
      Makes me wonder how much money a player actually makes in these contracts. Richest league with players being paid peanuts that aren't even guaranteed.
      Last edited by jWILL253; 07-27-2015, 10:14 PM.
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      • l3ulvl
        Hall Of Fame
        • Dec 2009
        • 17228

        #15123
        Re: NFL Off Topic

        Originally posted by jWILL253
        Very compelling argument.
        Note: it's not an argument, I'm a Lions fan, I'm the one kicking dirt.
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        • jWILL253
          You know why I'm here...
          • Jun 2008
          • 1611

          #15124
          Re: NFL Off Topic

          Originally posted by l3ulvl
          Note: it's not an argument, I'm a Lions fan, I'm the one kicking dirt.
          Ah, my bad. It's hard to read the tone in here sometimes. I'll edit the post.
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          • The 24th Letter
            ERA
            • Oct 2007
            • 39373

            #15125
            Re: NFL Off Topic

            These NFL Films season reviews on NFL Network are amazing.....they can make a team that had the worst record in the league look like they should have all the optimism in the world for next season [emoji38]

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            • areobee401
              Hall Of Fame
              • Apr 2006
              • 16771

              #15126
              Re: NFL Off Topic

              SAS is reporting the NFL will uphold Brady's 4 game suspension and also claims Brady destroyed his cell phone. Says ruling will come within the next 24-48 hours.
              http://twitter.com/smittyroberts

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              • TheShizNo1
                Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                • Mar 2007
                • 26341

                #15127
                Re: NFL Off Topic

                I really hope Brady destroyed his phone.

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                • ProfessaPackMan
                  Bamma
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 63852

                  #15128
                  Re: NFL Off Topic

                  Lol that guy again
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                  • jWILL253
                    You know why I'm here...
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1611

                    #15129
                    Re: NFL Off Topic

                    Originally posted by areobee401
                    SAS is reporting the NFL will uphold Brady's 4 game suspension and also claims Brady destroyed his cell phone. Says ruling will come within the next 24-48 hours.
                    LMAO

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                    • LambertandHam
                      All Star
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 8008

                      #15130
                      Re: NFL Off Topic

                      Originally posted by areobee401
                      SAS is reporting the NFL will uphold Brady's 4 game suspension and also claims Brady destroyed his cell phone. Says ruling will come within the next 24-48 hours.

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                      • areobee401
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Apr 2006
                        • 16771

                        #15131
                        NFL Off Topic

                        @RapSheet: NFL: Roger Goodell upheld the four-game suspension imposed on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady

                        Heigh-Ho Heigh-Ho It's Off To Court We Go
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                        • ImTellinTim
                          YNWA
                          • Sep 2006
                          • 33028

                          #15132
                          Re: NFL Off Topic

                          Now we get angry Brady and chip-on-the-shoulder Pats fans come week 5.

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                          • redsox4evur
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 18169

                            #15133
                            Re: NFL Off Topic

                            Originally posted by areobee401
                            @RapSheet: NFL: Roger Goodell upheld the four-game suspension imposed on Patriots quarterback Tom Brady

                            Heigh-Ho Heigh-Ho It's Off To Court We Go
                            So a guy that beats his girlfriend, throws her on a bathtub, and on a couch full of guns is the SAME EXACT thing as taking a little air out of a football. Good job Goodell.
                            Last edited by redsox4evur; 07-28-2015, 02:41 PM.
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                            • areobee401
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 16771

                              #15134
                              Re: NFL Off Topic

                              Originally posted by TheShizNo1
                              I really hope Brady destroyed his phone.

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                              He did.

                              @RapSheet: Ruling: “Brady directed that the cell phone he had used for the prior four months be destroyed.”

                              What is it with Patriots players being so bad at covering up crimes, man. Brady really thought breaking a phone would erase texts? LOL
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                              • mestevo
                                Gooney Goo Goo
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 19556

                                #15135
                                Re: NFL Off Topic

                                lol, very interested to hear justification for destroying a phone after knowing it would be asked for.

                                What a mess, and no way he wins pr-wise outside of the faithful.

                                "Destruction of cell phone not disclosed until June 18, almost 4 months after investigators first sought electronic information from Brady" via https://twitter.com/adbrandt/status/626102785986007041

                                I didn't think the original offense was that big of a deal, Brady seems to have dug quite a hole though.
                                Last edited by mestevo; 07-28-2015, 02:54 PM.

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