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[Rocky]

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Are we working under the assumption that Luck will miss some time, or would Kaep be a true backup with the headset, etc? I feel like neither of those situations are ideal for Indy. Luck and Kaep are about as different as QBs get.

I think history has shown Luck will miss some time. They need a QB who can go in there and be competitive when Luck is out. Say what you want about Kaepernick but he can REALLY throw it down the field

Hasselbeck was a quality backup who won some games for them. Kaepernick may not even be as good as him even at 40 but he's on the level that he can go and be competitive as a backup.

[kehlis]

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I think history has shown Luck will miss some time. They need a QB who can go in there and be competitive when Luck is out. Say what you want about Kaepernick but he can REALLY throw it down the field

Hasselbeck was a quality backup who won some games for them. Kaepernick may not even be as good as him even at 40 but he's on the level that he can go and be competitive as a backup.

Kaep is a one read quarterback. What makes you think he would be a fit in the Indy offense?

[jfsolo]

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Kaep is a one read quarterback. What makes you think he would be a fit in the Indy offense?

I'm asking this as a legitimate question, is he really still just a one read QB?

[oneamongthefence]

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I'm asking this as a legitimate question, is he really still just a one read QB?

He's an athlete playing quarterback. He still tends to look to run it if his first read is covered. Think early career Mike vick or Donovan McNabb. But he hasn't evolved or grown since his super bowl season. And teams can game plan for him and know his tendencies. That's why he isn't as effective as he was a few years ago.

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[Rocky]

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Kaep is a one read quarterback. What makes you think he would be a fit in the Indy offense?

C'mon. You don't play in as many 3rd down and longs as he has over his career and just be a "one-read" QB.

I actually think he might be better in a vertical, less precision based passing game anyway. Either way, he has two NFL skills (his arm strength and running ability) which I'm sure is more than Scott Tolzien or whoever Indy's backup is.

Worst case, he comes in and stinks it up...which is probably the outcome the Colts have now woth there current backup. Best case, he plays sparingly but when he does he lights it up (and you would have no controversy because the starter is Andrew Luck). Most likely case is that he comes in and is the same inconsistent Kaepernick which isn't good by any means but is decent enough and will make enough plays to maybe steal a game or two.

[wwharton]

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C'mon. You don't play in as many 3rd down and longs as he has over his career and just be a "one-read" QB.

I'm not sure how to process this.

[kehlis]

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C'mon. You don't play in as many 3rd down and longs as he has over his career and just be a "one-read" QB.

Um ya, actually you do. I'm not even sure if you're being serious.

[Rocky]

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I'm not sure how to process this.

What is there to process?

So are you saying...in 5 years in the Natiomal Football League...Colin Kaepernick has never scanned through a progression?

[oneamongthefence]

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What is there to process?

So are you saying...in 5 years in the Natiomal Football League...Colin Kaepernick has never scanned through a progression?

The only read he consistently scans for are running lanes. He's reading rushers much more than he's reading cornerbacks and safeties when a play starts.

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[wwharton]

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What is there to process?

So are you saying...in 5 years in the Natiomal Football League...Colin Kaepernick has never scanned through a progression?

You said, "C'mon. You don't play in as many 3rd down and longs as he has over his career and just be a "one-read" QB."

That doesn't make any sense as Kehlis said. A one read QB would be expected to find himself in many 3rd and longs.

I'm also not sure how your last post relates to that.

[Cyros]

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Here is a link to a twitter thread by a guy who will say Kaepernick has made some improvements.

https://twitter.com/Cianaf/status/863093871747706880

[Rocky]

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You said, "C'mon. You don't play in as many 3rd down and longs as he has over his career and just be a "one-read" QB."

That doesn't make any sense as Kehlis said. A one read QB would be expected to find himself in many 3rd and longs.

I'm also not sure how your last post relates to that.

Haha didn't even think about it like that. That said, the "one-read" QB thing is just lazy. Why not just say he doesn't go through progressions very well? Even then, the guy can function in a NFL offense. I'm not sure why that's even debatable.

[wwharton]

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Haha didn't even think about it like that. That said, the "one-read" QB thing is just lazy. Why not just say he doesn't go through progressions very well? Even then, the guy can function in a NFL offense. I'm not sure why that's even debatable.

It's not debatable... not a single person has said he can't function in an NFL offense. I also didn't say he was a one read QB so can't speak for whoever you were responding to that did, but isn't that just semantics? Bottom line is, he's not great and would require an offense molded around him in a nontraditional way to expect success. I can't speak for GMs but I'd say he's not good enough to be a starter with this kind of need, and is a risky backup unless your starter already is in a similar offense (like Seattle).

I believe the talk of one read (which you can say doesn't go through progressions if you want) was in response to the guy claiming he excels in accuracy, especially when jumping in the air (or something else crazy). Not true... he pretty much excels at running and how far he throws (can't even say excels at the deep ball bc I don't think he's all that accurate with that either).

[Rocky]

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It's not debatable... not a single person has said he can't function in an NFL offense. I also didn't say he was a one read QB so can't speak for whoever you were responding to that did, but isn't that just semantics? Bottom line is, he's not great and would require an offense molded around him in a nontraditional way to expect success. I can't speak for GMs but I'd say he's not good enough to be a starter with this kind of need, and is a risky backup unless your starter already is in a similar offense (like Seattle).

I believe the talk of one read (which you can say doesn't go through progressions if you want) was in response to the guy claiming he excels in accuracy, especially when jumping in the air (or something else crazy). Not true... he pretty much excels at running and how far he throws (can't even say excels at the deep ball bc I don't think he's all that accurate with that either).

I agree with you except the part where he is a risky backup. I don't agree with that at all. I actually think he is one of the better backups on the league if he accepts that. His biggest problem, imo, is his consistency. That problem isnt as heightened when he is a backup.

He's a better QB than a Derek Anderson or EJ Manuel in any system though.

[slickdtc]

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EJ Manuel is completely terrible. I pity the Raiders. If Manuel has to play, they're ****ed. He'll make that offense look inept real quick.