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[PeoplesChampGB]

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Lol. They've called it dead that way for years.

And after convening ruled it dead.

They didn't come to that conclusion just to be nice.

That's not what I asked.

[kehlis]

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That's not what I asked.

I don't really enjoy getting into rhetorical conversations. They're a waste of time. I didn't answer your question because you already know the answer to it.

Not sure how we got to this point of the conversation. I've seen very few people actually disagree with how that ruling ended. And from most I've seen whether it be on Twitter or here. They've all been historically contrarians.


I only posted it to say it wouldn't have been a touchdown which I found interesting because watching it live, I didn't even think that it was a forward pass.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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I don't really enjoy getting into rhetorical conversations. They're a waste of time. I didn't answer your question because you already know the answer to it.

Not sure how we got to this point of the conversation. I've seen very few people actually disagree with how that ruling ended. And from most I've seen whether it be on Twitter or here. They've all been historically contrarians.


I only posted it to say it wouldn't have been a touchdown which I found interesting because watching it live, I didn't even think that it was a forward pass.

All I am saying is I would expect the referee to follow the rules than just have a gentleman's agreement about it. Ask the 2001 Raiders about historical contrarianism.

[kehlis]

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All I am saying is I would expect the referee to follow the rules than just have a gentleman's agreement about it. Ask the 2001 Raiders about historical contrarianism.

Would you really expect that after multiple years of them not following it?

If you were telling me this on day 0 of the first occurrence, you would get no argument from me.

But you can't have years go by with it not being called and then all of a sudden call it in one of the biggest games of the year.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Would you really expect that after multiple years of them not following it?

If you were telling me this on day 0 of the first occurrence, you would get no argument from me.

But you can't have years go by with it not being called and then all of a sudden call it in one of the biggest games of the year.

Like the tuck rule? There is already precedent here. Just because there's a gentleman's agreement doesn't mean that it is going to be called. The same refs are not reffing each game. If the refs would have called it a safety, it would have been the correct call.

Not to mention, how lazy do you have to be to not take a knee? If you are that lazy, then step out of bounds.

[kehlis]

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Like the tuck rule?

Lol. Goodnight.

[phenom1990]

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And we wonder why rulebooks are so thick...

[kehlis]

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Like the tuck rule? There is already precedent here. Just because there's a gentleman's agreement doesn't mean that it is going to be called. The same refs are not reffing each game. If the refs would have called it a safety, it would have been the correct call.

Not to mention, how lazy do you have to be to not take a knee? If you are that lazy, then step out of bounds.

FYI, running out of the endzone with the ball by rule would be a safety. It's just been a "gentlemans agreement" in that situation not to call it as such.

So you're good with one gentleman's agreement but not the other? Okay, that makes sense.

[The Chef]

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FYI, running out of the endzone with the ball by rule would be a safety. It's just been a "gentlemans agreement" in that situation not to call it as such.



So you're good with one gentleman's agreement but not the other? Okay, that makes sense.

How would that be a safety if the ball never entered the field of play first?

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[kehlis]

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How would that be a safety if the ball never entered the field of play first?

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The endzone is the field of play. No different than when a punter is standing at the back of the endzone, gets a snap and steps out of bounds. That's a safety.


I was wrong up above when talking about the ball landing on the ground in the end zone without being touched. I did find a part of the rule book that does officially rule that down and a touchback.

[Cardot]

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To avoid confusion, they should just go back to taking a knee on touch backs. QB's have to do it when taking the victory formation. I am confident that kick returners can do the same. It's not that hard.

[kehlis]

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To avoid confusion, they should just go back to taking a knee on touch backs. QB's have to do it when taking the victory formation. I am confident that kick returners can do the same. It's not that hard.

There hasn’t been confusion for five years for any of the 32 teams. Was just a stupid sequence by the refs.

They realized how dumb is was and corrected the mistake.

The referee didn’t see the returner give the signal that he was giving himself up because of where he was standing, the other officials down field did.

[The Chef]

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The endzone is the field of play. No different than when a punter is standing at the back of the endzone, gets a snap and steps out of bounds. That's a safety.


I was wrong up above when talking about the ball landing on the ground in the end zone without being touched. I did find a part of the rule book that does officially rule that down and a touchback.

It is completely different. The line of scrimmage is in the field of play thus the safety if the punter stepped out after the snap. It's the same reason why if a defender intercepts a pass in the endzone its not a safety were he to give himself up or run out the back of the end zone but were he to attempt to bring it out then end up running back into his own end zone before being tackled then it would be a safety.

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[Cardot]

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And simply taking a knee reduces the chances of the refs screwing up. I am not sure why this is such a monumental request of kick returners. Nor do I know how the refs let it evolve to this in the first place.

Fortunately for the NFL this happened in a Bills/Texans game. If the Cowboys or Patriots were involved, I am guessing there would be more discussion on it.

[kehlis]

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It is completely different. The line of scrimmage is in the field of play thus the safety if the punter stepped out after the snap. It's the same reason why if a defender intercepts a pass in the endzone its not a safety were he to give himself up or run out the back of the end zone but were he to attempt to bring it out then end up running back into his own end zone before being tackled then it would be a safety.

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Indeed, you are right. My bad.