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[jeebs9]

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So new development on Deshaun Watson situation.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31103625/lawyer-representing-women-plans-submit-evidence-affidavits-deshaun-watson-cases-monday

I wonder now once the DA gets this stuff. Will they press charges.

This lawyer is sloppy.

On Friday, Buzbee said his office has been in contact with police and that he would provide information to them about the women who intend to sue Watson. The Houston Police Department said it was unaware of any contact it had with Buzbee regarding the allegations or the filings of any incident reports, and the lawyer later clarified on social media that the contact he referenced earlier was with a detective who reached out to him. Buzbee also said Friday that he is not aware of any police reports filed before the civil suits.

[jeebs9]

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Calling things dumb because you dont agree with them shows your ignorance on real world concepts. Skip Bayless is a joke and a dumb homer, so don't try that comparison on me either. Why would the team that just signed him to a massive long term extension bend the knee to him and trade him to another team when they hold all the leverage? Watson can either play or he can miss out on millions of dollars, they don't have a single reason to trade him unless they get an offer they cant refuse



It's perfectly ok to demand a trade with 1 or 2 years left on your contract if you dont think the team is going anywhere. When you do it with 4 years left on it, you come off as a total baby and the dude knew that Hopkins had been traded and that the team was headed in the wrong direction well before he signed the extension



I shouldnt be surprised you guys are taking the player's side though. If you look at this through only a surface level lens, I suppose it makes sense why Watson is frustrated with the team. However, he totally did this one to himself. Nobody told him to sign an extension and nobody has appointed him with power to make general manager decisions. There's no way I would ever trade him and if he sits out and avoids playing, then he doesn't get his extension money. Nobody is going to be dumb enough to jeopardize that

We moved on.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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My gut is that he looked at the number of followers the Ravens and Chiefs have on social media compared to the Steelers and decided it wasn't worth it. It would not surprise me at all if that was a big part of his decision.

He makes a lot of money through social media so it wouldn't make sense to him to upset that in a year when the cap went down and he can't get someone to give him a 5/85M kind of deal.

He punted, decided to keep his followers happy and will try again next year.

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I’d be very surprised if that was his reasoning(assuming you’re serious with this)and it takes a LOT to surprise me.

Social Media money is cool but it’s not NFL money and he doesn’t have that big of a name where he can make up the difference through social media.

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This lawyer is sloppy.

On Friday, Buzbee said his office has been in contact with police and that he would provide information to them about the women who intend to sue Watson. The Houston Police Department said it was unaware of any contact it had with Buzbee regarding the allegations or the filings of any incident reports, and the lawyer later clarified on social media that the contact he referenced earlier was with a detective who reached out to him. Buzbee also said Friday that he is not aware of any police reports filed before the civil suits.

Yeah this lawyer comes off as tough to believe a word he says. He put out a statement saying he’s not in collusion with the Texans, then he said even though he lives on the same street as Cal or Hal McNair he wouldn’t recognize him if he saw him. You’re telling me you don’t even know the guy’s name that lives down the street and owns the team that the guy you’re suing plays for? I don’t buy that.

Supposedly Watson is blaming COVID for why he needed to get these masseuses off Instagram, because his regular masseuse wasn’t able to see him. I don’t know why that would be the case though, the accusations are from late 2020 and stuff in Texas reopened long before that. Both side’s stories seem sketchy to me

[dubcity]

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Yeah this lawyer comes off as tough to believe a word he says.

So pretty much an average lawyer then?

[jeebs9]

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Yeah this lawyer comes off as tough to believe a word he says. He put out a statement saying he’s not in collusion with the Texans, then he said even though he lives on the same street as Cal or Hal McNair he wouldn’t recognize him if he saw him. You’re telling me you don’t even know the guy’s name that lives down the street and owns the team that the guy you’re suing plays for? I don’t buy that.



Supposedly Watson is blaming COVID for why he needed to get these masseuses off Instagram, because his regular masseuse wasn’t able to see him. I don’t know why that would be the case though, the accusations are from late 2020 and stuff in Texas reopened long before that. Both side’s stories seem sketchy to me

Yeah it's clear someone is lying here.

I'm surprised the internet hasn't found out who these women are yet if they were on IG. I'm sure someone is browsing as we speak [emoji38]

[kehlis]

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Yeah it's clear someone is lying here.

Not to state the obvious but that's how these situations work, this isn't unique.

[ggsimmonds]

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The reports I've heard said the Ravens offered JJSS $9M with another $4 in incentives for one year. He took $8M to stay in Pittsburgh.

Depending on how difficult the incentives would have been to reach, it could have been a bundle of money he passed on but it was definitely at least a million dollars.

My gut is that he looked at the number of followers the Ravens and Chiefs have on social media compared to the Steelers and decided it wasn't worth it. It would not surprise me at all if that was a big part of his decision.

He makes a lot of money through social media so it wouldn't make sense to him to upset that in a year when the cap went down and he can't get someone to give him a 5/85M kind of deal.

He punted, decided to keep his followers happy and will try again next year.

He's a very good and tough receiver but the Steelers have no depth problems there. I would have been happier if they used that money to keep Mike Hilton.

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I highly doubt it had anything to do with social media followers and everything to do with which team could offer him the better platform for his year long audition for next year's free agency period

[ggsimmonds]

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Yeah this lawyer comes off as tough to believe a word he says. He put out a statement saying he’s not in collusion with the Texans, then he said even though he lives on the same street as Cal or Hal McNair he wouldn’t recognize him if he saw him. You’re telling me you don’t even know the guy’s name that lives down the street and owns the team that the guy you’re suing plays for? I don’t buy that.

Supposedly Watson is blaming COVID for why he needed to get these masseuses off Instagram, because his regular masseuse wasn’t able to see him. I don’t know why that would be the case though, the accusations are from late 2020 and stuff in Texas reopened long before that. Both side’s stories seem sketchy to me

Statements through instagram at that.

My guess? There is something to the allegations, or at the very least he was using IG as some high dollar exclusive Backpage/Craigslist.

On the other side of it, this lawyer is exclusively chasing fame and clout. This reads like a movie cliche of a lawyer ramping up to chase political office or something.

I don't think there will be any winners here. Watson may have did some unethical, potentially illegal things, but I wouldn't at all be surprised if it eventually gets thrown out because it gets revealed that this lawyer did some unethical acts.

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So pretty much an average lawyer then?

No even by lawyer standards this guy comes off as sketchy

[steelerfan]

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I’d be very surprised if that was his reasoning(assuming you’re serious with this)and it takes a LOT to surprise me.

Social Media money is cool but it’s not NFL money and he doesn’t have that big of a name where he can make up the difference through social media.

Well, last year I heard him say that his dog makes as much as $90k a month on social media. Not him. His dog. He's taking in quite a bit on those platforms.

Juju himself said he made $100,000 to watch a single Thursday night game on on some guy's Twitch stream (Bears vs Cowboys) in 2019.

Either he's lying or you are underestimating what he's bringing in through those revenue streams. In 2019 he ranked as the number 3 most popular player on social media behind Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.

He'd be gone if he'd got a 5/85 offer or even 3/39, in my opinion. But 8 in Pittsburgh versus 9-13 in Baltimore or 8-12 in KC clearly wasn't worth it to him.

I highly doubt it had anything to do with social media followers and everything to do with which team could offer him the better platform for his year long audition for next year's free agency period

How does Pittsburgh offer a better platform for his audition than KC though? He had 97 catches for 831 yards (a paltry 8.6 yards per catch) and 9 TDs last season.

If Ben is as washed up as you think he is, how is playing in Pittsburgh better than playing in KC or Baltimore? With Johnson, Claypool and Washington - that's a crowded receiver room too so it's not as though he'll be the only target.

He signed with the Steelers less than a week after titling his Twitch stream, "MARCH 17th FREE MAN" so the loyalty/ hometown discount argument doesn't really fly with me either (not that anyone here has said it).

Again, he's making quite a bit of money through endorsements (because of social media) and social media. He's put a lot of effort into building his "brand".

I'm not suggesting that 100% of his decision was based on his followers but there is a reason he's still a Steeler and I doubt it was "Ben will give me the chance to get a big contract, Mahomes won't."

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[ProfessaPackMan]

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Well, last year I heard him say that his dog makes as much as $90k a month on social media. Not him. His dog. He's taking in quite a bit on those platforms.

Juju himself said he made $100,000 to watch a single Thursday night game on on some guy's Twitch stream (Bears vs Cowboys) in 2019.

Either he's lying or you are underestimating what he's bringing in through those revenue streams. In 2019 he ranked as the number 3 most popular player on social media behind Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.

He'd be gone if he'd got a 5/85 offer or even 3/39, in my opinion. But 8 in Pittsburgh versus 9-13 in Baltimore or 8-12 in KC clearly wasn't worth it to him.
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Lol I’m not underestimating it at all and I’m not saying he’s lying(it’s not like either of us can prove for 100% how important it was for him anyway)I just think you’re overrating it’s importance a bit.

In a sport like the NFL where you’re one hit away, that’s the not sport where you should be playing with your money like “Hmm, let me look at who’s QB situation is better and then look at who is more popular on Social Media, who can pay me more money and then go from there”.

His reasoning for staying could also be familiarity especially since he’s been in Pittsburgh for his entire career and probably feels more confident in bouncing back with a QB he knows as opposed to having to learn a new Offense and be the 3rd/4th option in KC even though it would be an upgrade in QB play at this point.

[steelerfan]

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Lol I’m not underestimating it at all and I’m not saying he’s lying(it’s not like either of us can prove for 100% how important it was for him anyway)I just think you’re overrating it’s importance a bit.

In a sport like the NFL where you’re one hit away, that’s the not sport where you should be playing with your money like “Hmm, let me look at who’s QB situation is better and then look at who is more popular on Social Media, who can pay me more money and then go from there”.

His reasoning for staying could also be familiarity especially since he’s been in Pittsburgh for his entire career and probably feels more confident in bouncing back with a QB he knows as opposed to having to learn a new Offense and be the 3rd/4th option in KC even though it would be an upgrade in QB play at this point.

I'd probably normally agree with you but JuJu is different.

By your initial statement it seemed to me that you didn't understand how big he is on social media and how hard he has worked to build his presence there since day 1 in the NFL. (It was your comment about social media money not being NFL money). If you're big enough, that's not close to true. Some dude made $26M last year on YouTube which is a dying platform by today's standards.

Add in JuJu continuing his TikTok dancing on opposing logos last year even when many fans were irate, the team was losing and it was becoming something his teammates were having to answer for. He eventually stopped but it is clear his brand is important to him.

And why wouldn't it be? He was on a 2nd round contract and undoubtedly made more money on social media and various associated appearances and endorsements over the last 4 years than he did playing football.

Your point about being one hit away is all the more reason for him to care about his brand. It will still be there when the NFL is not (though I'd guess it will take a hit). You are right that neither of us can know how much it means to him but the evidence suggests it means a lot.

A receiver with his stature and list of accomplishments on the field doesn't rise to his level of social media notoriety by accident. He's constantly on Twitch playing Fortnite and whatnot.

I understand though. I really do. You guys don't follow the Steelers on a daily basis so how would you know that he has done all of this? If you told me some random very good but not elite receiver, say Allen Robinson, was 3rd among players on social media only behind superstars like Brady and Wilson, I'd be like, "what?".

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[kehlis]

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I understand though. I really do. You guys don't follow the Steelers on a daily basis so how would you know that he has done all of this? If you told me some random very good but not elite receiver, say Allen Robinson, was 3rd among players on social media only behind superstars like Brady and Wilson, I'd be like, "what?".

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I follow the Steelers on a daily basis and don't agree, maybe I'm disqualified though because I'm not a Steelers fan.

He went back to the Steelers because he didn't get the deal he was expecting in free agency and would disappear quickly going to the other markets offering him more money for a one year deal.

If he went to KC he'd be the next Lev Bell and just disappear completely and in Baltimore he would be a no name.

At least in Pittsburgh he has familiarity and can hope for a good season to get the big contract he wants next year.

Has nothing to do with his social media presence which I'm forced to see daily.

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If anything, going to a new city would expand his social media presence. It’s not like everyone in Pittsburgh is going to immediately unfollow him if he signs elsewhere