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  • SmashMan
    All Star
    • Dec 2004
    • 9686

    #37051
    Re: NFL Off Topic

    Seems like it'd be way too hard to define.

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    • slickdtc
      Grayscale
      • Aug 2004
      • 17125

      #37052
      NFL Off Topic

      I’m not sure exactly what this is. The video in the article of Mahomes getting injured didn’t look like a malicious type of tackle or even close to the parallels they’re making with the horse collar technique.

      Guys are so big and fast and maybe we have all the camera angles now, but it does seem like these injuries where guys get caught up under a defender are happening more. I feel like I’ve seen more gruesome injuries over the last few years than i saw combined earlier in life watching football.

      I’m with Smash, it will be hard to define and call on the field. Horse collar is pretty clear. So I would just hate to see defenders handicapped again for trying to tackle the ball carrier. This type of tackle, from what I saw, seemed to at least be a tackle attempt and not just a grab and pull like the horse collar. I don’t like trying to legislate out actual tackle attempts.

      EDIT: watched a different video that was much more clear. Yeah, I see why they say it’s the brother or sister of the horse collar in those examples. But again, it’s much more subtle and I still think it’s at least a legitimate tackle attempt. Horse collar doesn’t come up too often in the game but I could see this one being a nightmare for officials and teams.
      Last edited by slickdtc; 10-19-2023, 03:16 PM.
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      Originally posted by Money99
      And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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      • jeebs9
        Fear is the Unknown
        • Oct 2008
        • 47562

        #37053
        Re: NFL Off Topic

        Originally posted by SmashMan
        Seems like it'd be way too hard to define.
        Originally posted by slickdtc
        I’m not sure exactly what this is. The video in the article of Mahomes getting injured didn’t look like a malicious type of tackle or even close to the parallels they’re making with the horse collar technique.

        Guys are so big and fast and maybe we have all the camera angles now, but it does seem like these injuries where guys get caught up under a defender are happening more. I feel like I’ve seen more gruesome injuries over the last few years than i saw combined earlier in life watching football.

        I’m with Smash, it will be hard to define and call on the field. Horse collar is pretty clear. So I would just hate to see defenders handicapped again for trying to tackle the ball carrier. This type of tackle, from what I saw, seemed to at least be a tackle attempt and not just a grab and pull like the horse collar. I don’t like trying to legislate out actual tackle attempts.

        EDIT: watched a different video that was much more clear. Yeah, I see why they say it’s the brother or sister of the horse collar in those examples. But again, it’s much more subtle and I still think it’s at least a legitimate tackle attempt. Horse collar doesn’t come up too often in the game but I could see this one being a nightmare for officials and teams.
        I agree with both you.

        My friend agrees too. He wasn't trying to hurt me. He was just trying to get me to ground [emoji23]. 10 screws and plate later. It's like 25 years [emoji23]
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        • jeebs9
          Fear is the Unknown
          • Oct 2008
          • 47562

          #37054
          Re: NFL Off Topic

          Report: Malik Cunningham re-signing to Patriots’ practice squad

          I thought I was reading an older article. But saw the date. This was yesterday lol. I can't imagine being pulled in so many directions. From practice squad to call up 3 year contract to back to practice squad. Is this because Matt Jones has a good game?
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          • l3ulvl
            Hall Of Fame
            • Dec 2009
            • 17226

            #37055
            Re: NFL Off Topic

            Originally posted by jeebs9
            Report: Malik Cunningham re-signing to Patriots’ practice squad

            I thought I was reading an older article. But saw the date. This was yesterday lol. I can't imagine being pulled in so many directions. From practice squad to call up 3 year contract to back to practice squad. Is this because Matt Jones has a good game?

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            • Jr.
              Playgirl Coverboy
              • Feb 2003
              • 19171

              #37056
              Re: NFL Off Topic

              Originally posted by slickdtc
              I’m not sure exactly what this is. The video in the article of Mahomes getting injured didn’t look like a malicious type of tackle or even close to the parallels they’re making with the horse collar technique.

              Guys are so big and fast and maybe we have all the camera angles now, but it does seem like these injuries where guys get caught up under a defender are happening more. I feel like I’ve seen more gruesome injuries over the last few years than i saw combined earlier in life watching football.

              I’m with Smash, it will be hard to define and call on the field. Horse collar is pretty clear. So I would just hate to see defenders handicapped again for trying to tackle the ball carrier. This type of tackle, from what I saw, seemed to at least be a tackle attempt and not just a grab and pull like the horse collar. I don’t like trying to legislate out actual tackle attempts.

              EDIT: watched a different video that was much more clear. Yeah, I see why they say it’s the brother or sister of the horse collar in those examples. But again, it’s much more subtle and I still think it’s at least a legitimate tackle attempt. Horse collar doesn’t come up too often in the game but I could see this one being a nightmare for officials and teams.
              I'm not sure how a defender avoids doing it. If you're wrapping up someone at the waist and they pull you along, I don't see any way your body doesn't fall on their legs.

              Maybe there is a way to coach against it, though

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              • jeebs9
                Fear is the Unknown
                • Oct 2008
                • 47562

                #37057
                Re: NFL Off Topic

                Originally posted by Jr.
                I'm not sure how a defender avoids doing it. If you're wrapping up someone at the waist and they pull you along, I don't see any way your body doesn't fall on their legs.

                Maybe there is a way to coach against it, though

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                Personally for me. There is no way to stop this. As much as my friend jokes about this. He is kind of right. If I just go down my ankle doesn't break. But that's never going to happen for a runner.

                Also... lol

                How did they get approval to wear them in the first place?
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                • jeebs9
                  Fear is the Unknown
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 47562

                  #37058
                  Re: NFL Off Topic

                  Raiders fire head coach Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler - Adam Schefter

                  Wild thing happen in the middle of the night
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                  • p_rushing
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 14514

                    #37059
                    Re: NFL Off Topic

                    Originally posted by jeebs9
                    Also... lol

                    How did they get approval to wear them in the first place?
                    The NFL can claim whatever they want but would have to win in court.

                    Nike made the jerseys without any problems from their legal team. The jersey or merchandise was never put up for purchase.

                    The university decided not to merchandise it, this is probably an indication that they knew they couldn't do it without a big lawsuit. Rice used the same color scheme this year and got no letter from the NFL.

                    NFL claims that this would cause confusion with the NFL team, being licensed or associated with them. I don't see how it would confuse anyone. Maybe they need to add cougars to the front and then it's just similar colors if they use their existing red color.

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                    • dubcity
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • May 2012
                      • 17872

                      #37060
                      Re: NFL Off Topic

                      Originally posted by jeebs9
                      Raiders fire head coach Josh McDaniels and GM Dave Ziegler - Adam Schefter

                      Wild thing happen in the middle of the night
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                      • mestevo
                        Gooney Goo Goo
                        • Apr 2010
                        • 19556

                        #37061
                        Re: NFL Off Topic

                        Schefter:
                        It’s a new day in Las Vegas.
                        Raiders’ head coach: Antonio Pierce.
                        Raiders’ general manager: Champ Kelly.
                        Pierce will make his NFL head coaching debut on Sunday vs. his former New York Giants team.

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                        • illwill10
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 19791

                          #37062
                          Re: NFL Off Topic

                          It felt right. It was one thing last year with all the collapses and close losses, but the vibes aren't good there.

                          I'm somewhat surprised this didn't happen a day sooner. They could have traded a few pieces and went into rebuild. But at 3-5, I guess they feel they could salvage the season.

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                          • reyes the roof
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Mar 2009
                            • 11521

                            #37063
                            Re: NFL Off Topic

                            Is McDaniels the first Head Coach to be fired mid season two times?

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                            • Beantown
                              #DoYourJob
                              • Feb 2005
                              • 31523

                              #37064
                              Re: NFL Off Topic

                              Originally posted by reyes the roof
                              Is McDaniels the first Head Coach to be fired mid season two times?

                              “Josh McDaniels is the first head coach in NFL history to be fired before the end of his 2nd season for two different teams. McDaniels was fired by the #broncos after Week 13 in his 2nd season (2010)”


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                              • slickdtc
                                Grayscale
                                • Aug 2004
                                • 17125

                                #37065
                                Re: NFL Off Topic

                                Impressive feat. Raiders seem directionless. McDaniels to NE when?

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                                Originally posted by Money99
                                And how does one levy a check that will result in only a slight concussion? Do they set their shoulder-pads to 'stun'?

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