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[rangerrick012]

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I don't feel bad for people who repeatedly do stupid things but all the arguments about money (that only ever come up when professional athletes get caught doing something dumb/illegal) just sounds like jealousy.

The same arguments about money are used when actors and other celebrities do dumb **** too. It's certainly not jealousy, it doesn't affect how much my bills are.

But at the same time there's a certain amount of responsibility that comes when any organization, be it pro sports or a regular company, gives you that kind of money to do a job. If guys don't understand that responsibility or don't have people around them that do, then i don't see the point in making excuses for pure dumbness when it comes to weed specifically.

[redsrule]

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The NFL says don't do a lot of stuff, yet I don't see anyone wanting to ban people that take PED's (which is MUCH MUCH worse for the NFL's "image" than weed) for life.
I think these players are idiots because they keep failing the tests, but ban for life over weed? Come on man. That's nonsense.

[PVarck31]

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I honestly don't know how I feel when it comes to suspensions or bans when it comes to weed, but I am curious to know what those who think that a lifetime ban is crazy would propose. Just a one year ban for every offense after 2 or 3?

I think lifetime bans should be used for multiple PED test failures first and foremost, But you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to the other stuff such as weed right? I'm honestly not sure I guess.

[rangerrick012]

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king, get off the lifetime kick. I never said lifetime in my original post, and I think that's clouding things a bit here for both of us. OK so let's not say lifetime. But let's not go the other way either (not saying that you are, but some others are) and say guys shouldn't be punished for it and that suspending a guy for a season is too severe. If you **** up repeatedly, then you deserve to lose a year. Lifetime, too strong. But a year (or more if you do it again) is just fine IMO.

[kingkilla56]

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I honestly don't know how I feel when it comes to suspensions or bans when it comes to weed, but I am curious to know what those who think that a lifetime ban is crazy would propose. Just a one year ban for every offense after 2 or 3?

I think lifetime bans should be used for multiple PED test failures first and foremost, But you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to the other stuff such as weed right? I'm honestly not sure I guess.

After 3 violations you give them a year, and you add a year to the suspension every time they are found positive again (including during the suspension). The players with no hope will take themselves out of the league based on that alone. But there is always a chance at rehabilitation for the ones who were immature early on and have come around during their suspension. The ones that keep on violating the rules would pretty much bury their career under years and years worth of suspensions.

But making it an official lifetime ban, with essentially no chance of return, seems like overkill especially over some weed. If its PEDs we can talk.

king, get off the lifetime kick. I never said lifetime in my original post, and I think that's clouding things a bit here for both of us. OK so let's not say lifetime. But let's not go the other way either (not saying that you are, but some others are) and say guys shouldn't be punished for it and that suspending a guy for a season is too severe. If you **** up repeatedly, then you deserve to lose a year. Lifetime, too strong. But a year (or more if you do it again) is just fine IMO.

But thats where the conversation went and you seem to be all for lifetime bans if a player got busted enough times. You even asked how many chances is enough?

If you don't believe in lifetime bans [over weed], then we aren't actually disagreeing on this.

[mestevo]

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They don't have to be banned for life, just a lose year and don't get reinstated due to further failed tests until they stop participating (sounds like this is the route Blackmon is taking?) in the program and essentially retire. Then they can go on and be a pothead on their own time. 'Lifetime ban' not required.

Edit: king just said this, I started just skimming the longer posts of people talking past each other :-p

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[Bmore Irish]

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Am I wrong in assuming players who are suspended lose pay during their time being suspended? Because if that's the case, then the more money you make, the more of a dip**** you are for losing said money just to get stoned. If that's not the case, then there's something wrong with the system, whether that be the punishment or the fact that it's an issue to begin with.

I'm pretty sure there are many people out there who have stopped smoking weed for far less than millions.

And what does it take to get a lifetime ban these days? Murder, maybe? The fact that 'lifetime ban' even seriously made it this far in the discussion can be described as nothing more than a red herring.

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[King_B_Mack]

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It never takes "they make millions of dollars" guy long to show up and I never understand what that has to do with anything. Folks find ANY reason to throw athlete salaries in their face.

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Is this directed at me? Cause I'm far from that guy. I'm typically the one with a problem with that guy. However if you're making millions of dollars a year there should be harder things for you to deal with than not smoking a joint when you know there's a line of people that don't want you making the money you're making.

Also don't believe in a lifetime ban over some weed, but at some point you have to really come down on guys that are repeatedly stupid with the exact same issue.

[p_rushing]

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I don't think the league has a lifetime ban. The 1 year suspension or 3rd failed test, is really an indefinite suspension. Meaning it will be 1 year (could be less if you change your ways quickly and show you have addressed the problem) or could be a lifetime suspension if you never stop doing whatever drug it is.

Blackmon is working his way to a lifetime ban by simply not doing what the league requires to be reinstated. He gets no money, no accrued seasons, etc. He stays on the Jaguars whatever they call it list and they cannot do anything transactions with him. His suspension would be 1 year and he would be reinstated immediately after week 8 (I think) if he ever meets all the NFL's requirements.


The big issue is going to be that the team can't have any contact with him for 1 year. So he better get some good support around him quickly that will rid his life of all his friends that are enabling/supporting his behavior. If he doesn't, he will be like Blackmon and go home and just keep doing the same things.

[RockinDaMike]

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I'm talking lifetime ban not because of weed, it's the combination of the drugs and domestic violence. It's like everyone is ignoring that and that's way worse than any drug taking. Strangle your gf, throw her on the ground and break her collar bone. Terrible.

I'm a Cardinals fan and he's the best player on defense but I can't root for a guy like this anymore.


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[Hooe]

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Again, playing in the NFL is a luxury imo.

This is only tangential to the current discussion, but I feel like this sentiment is incredibly and wrongfully dismissive towards the amount of work and dedication that NFL athletes put in to get to and stay in the NFL.

If playing in the NFL was a luxury, the population of this forum would be the ones paying to play on the field on Sundays, rather than paying to watch those who have dedicated their lives to the craft of football take the field. It may be a privilege to play in the NFL, but it's an earned privilege.

As to the current discussion, with respect to marijuana the NFL has the right to regulate their league however they want. That said, I hope there's some changes in league policy to reflect changing societal attitudes going forward.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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I'm talking lifetime ban not because of weed, it's the combination of the drugs and domestic violence. It's like everyone is ignoring that and that's way worse than any drug taking. Strangle your gf, throw her on the ground and break her collar bone. Terrible.

I'm a Cardinals fan and he's the best player on defense but I can't root for a guy like this anymore.


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Donte Stallworth only got a year suspension..........for pleading guilty to DUI manslaughter. A year? So as bad as what Washington did is, there is no way they can give that dude a lifetime ban for that when the guy who took a life only got a year. I'm sorry, but no.

[mestevo]

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Donte Stallworth only got a year suspension..........for pleading guilty to DUI manslaughter. A year? So as bad as what Washington did is, there is no way they can give that dude a lifetime ban for that when the guy who took a life only got a year. I'm sorry, but no.

Its hard to compare 2 different things like that, especially years apart with how much the NFL has changed in these areas and very different contexts. Stallworth was also 'helped' by the fact that he was completely cooperative and took all the blame for the incident even though the person he hit was jaywalking. They didn't even arrest him at the scene for dui because he didn't seem intoxicated, it was only revealed as such via a blood test that's administered when there are accidents involving loss of life I believe.







Either way, nobody's getting banned for life short of some massive PED / gambling violations or they process themselves out by no longer trying to maintain good standing during a suspension of some duration. The multi-page derail from that statement is kinda remarkable.

[Sgt_Carnage]

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Its hard to compare 2 different things like that, especially years apart with how much the NFL has changed in these areas and very different contexts. Stallworth was also 'helped' by the fact that he was completely cooperative and took all the blame for the incident even though the person he hit was jaywalking. They didn't even arrest him at the scene for dui because he didn't seem intoxicated, it was only revealed as such via a blood test that's administered when there are accidents involving loss of life I believe.







Either way, nobody's getting banned for life short of some massive PED / gambling violations or they process themselves out by no longer trying to maintain good standing during a suspension of some duration. The multi-page derail from that statement is kinda remarkable.

I'm just saying, man. If they're not banning someone for life over killing someone, their not gonna ban someone for life for what Washington did.

[mestevo]

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I'm just saying, man. If they're not banning someone for life over killing someone, their not gonna ban someone for life for what Washington

Yeah, you're still arguing about something almost everyone in the thread agrees with. If Stallworth would have pulled over and executed someone he would have just been suspended indefinitely and the legal system would effectively been a lifetime ban. He didn't, as a result of his circumstances (more than just 'he killed a guy') he was able to return.

Aaron Hernández isn't banned for life.

Washington has already lost a year, the outcome of his domestic stuff will probably play a part in his reinstatement.

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