NFL Off Topic

[kingkilla56]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Refs arent allowed fantasy teams. They are investigating last I heard about this but it sounds like the ref was kidding; if not well

[Chrisksaint]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

With the way offenses are today, i'd rather just get the 7 then go for 2 later. I'd rather be disappointed late while still having a shot then just being out of the game earlier then you need to be(If you have a defense like the 49ers then maybe it's a different story)

[JBH3]

Refs arent allowed fantasy teams. They are investigating last I heard about this but it sounds like the ref was kidding; if not well

I don't know if they are or not. May be a conflict of interest for the NFL, esp if money was to be involved. At any rate the ref shouldn't make a comment like that....just isn't really necessary coming from the person who has an ability to effect the outcome of a game. You don't see it that way?

[Jr.]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

With the way offenses are today, i'd rather just get the 7 then go for 2 later. I'd rather be disappointed late while still having a shot then just being out of the game earlier then you need to be(If you have a defense like the 49ers then maybe it's a different story)

How would you have a better shot if you miss late and still be in the game than if you miss early and be out of the game? That makes absolutely no sense

[kingkilla56]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

I don't know if they are or not. May be a conflict of interest for the NFL, esp if money was to be involved. At any rate the ref shouldn't make a comment like that....just isn't really necessary coming from the person who has an ability to effect the outcome of a game. You don't see it that way?

Refs and players/coaches joke all the time. These people aren't robots.

[Chrisksaint]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

How would you have a better shot if you miss late and still be in the game than if you miss early and be out of the game? That makes absolutely no sense

I'm saying personally i'd rather still be in the game down 8 then down 9, with the way offenses are these days I don't trust getting the ball back twice in a short span of time.

[JBH3]

Refs and players/coaches joke all the time. These people aren't robots.

I get that, you assumed I thought they were robots then? I just don't think that it is an appropriate joke for someone getting ready to officiate a game w/ that player.

[Jr.]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

I'm saying personally i'd rather still be in the game down 8 then down 9, with the way offenses are these days I don't trust getting the ball back twice in a short span of time.

What if you were only down 7?

I would rather have an opportunity to make up for a miss rather than the miss guaranteeing a loss. Different strokes.

[kingkilla56]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

I get that, you assumed I thought they were robots then? I just don't think that it is an appropriate joke for someone getting ready to officiate a game w/ that player.

Fair enough

I'm saying personally i'd rather still be in the game down 8 then down 9, with the way offenses are these days I don't trust getting the ball back twice in a short span of time.

Knowing what you have to do is the valuable part of the equation. If you are down 9 after a failed attempt early you have the chance, regardless of how offenses are these days or how bad your defense is, to atone and win. Missing with 2 seconds is a loss.

Its almost like not wanting to know your fate until you absolutely must.

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[Chip Douglass]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Knowing what you have to do is the valuable part of the equation. If you are down 9 after a failed attempt early you have the chance, regardless of how offenses are these days or how bad your defense is, to atone and win. Missing with 2 seconds is a loss.

Its almost like not wanting to know your fate until you absolutely must.

Kingkilla is on fire today.

I understand the instinct of wanting to "keep hope alive." But you still have to make the 2 point conversion. An early two point try at least gives you the information on whether or not it's a one or two score game and allows you to adjust your strategy accordingly.

If you go for it late, you deny yourself that information advantage.

[TheShizNo1]

Kingkilla is on fire today.

I understand the instinct of wanting to "keep hope alive." But you still have to make the 2 point conversion. An early two point try at least gives you the information on whether or not it's a one or two score game and allows you to adjust your strategy accordingly.

If you go for it late, you deny yourself that information advantage.

You miss an early 2, and you spend the rest of the time chasing it.

I wait and go for it at the last minute, I'm able to work off of maybe a previous successful play used on the last drive to set it up.

Every coach preaches staying in the game. As long as you stay in the game, you have an opportunity to win. You try and bite into the lead too much, and you've actually hurt yourself. If the other team scores on their next series, you HAVE to go for two and you miss it, game over.

Don't chase points.

[Jr.]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

You miss an early 2, and you spend the rest of the time chasing it.

I wait and go for it at the last minute, I'm able to work off of maybe a previous successful play used on the last drive to set it up.

Every coach preaches staying in the game. As long as you stay in the game, you have an opportunity to win. You try and bite into the lead too much, and you've actually hurt yourself. If the other team scores on their next series, you HAVE to go for two and you miss it, game over.

Don't chase points.

You need the 2 either way, it's not chasing. It's giving yourself extra chances in case you don't get it. If you miss it late, there is no chance to atone.

[NYJets]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

Don't chase points.

Maybe earlier in the game that is true.

Late in the game, when you know that eventually you are going to need to go for 2 anyway is different.

I get why coaches prefer to wait. It's like how sometimes when I think my credit card bill is going to be high, I avoid looking at it until the last minute. It makes me feel better. But logically, it is stupid to do that. I am going to have to pay it anyway

If you go for 2, at least you know what you need. If you miss it, you know you need to score as quickly as possible and then recover an onside kick. If you kick the xp, you are putting all your eggs in the "one possession game" basket, and if you miss the conversion at the end, game over.

As far as strategy and trying to win the game, I don't know why this is even debatable. If we're talking keeping fans from giving up and changing the channel, that's different.

[Chip Douglass]

Re: NFL Off Topic 2012

You miss an early 2, and you spend the rest of the time chasing it.

You miss a late 2, there isn't even the possibility of chasing. Game's over.

Every coach preaches staying in the game. As long as you stay in the game, you have an opportunity to win. You try and bite into the lead too much, and you've actually hurt yourself. If the other team scores on their next series, you HAVE to go for two and you miss it, game over.

And you HAVE to go for two even if you kick the extra point after the first score and force a punt.

Don't chase points.

This isn't chasing points. These are points you need. Delaying the decision until the last possible moment isn't going to make that fact go away.

Remember, this strategy is only optimal in the 4th quarter. I'm not encouraging teams to go for 2 down 9 after every score.