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[SPTO]

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Polian is definitely on the right track with the QB play for sure. Even the quality guys that have come from spread offenses have shown huge deficiencies when they have to actually read defenses especially on the fly.

[mestevo]

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Would be interesting to use this to test new markets.

[fatleg3]

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Dez just signed for 5/70 with 45 guaranteed. Get that money young men. Houston too.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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The NFL already has a free minor league, it's called the NCAA.

Polian is definitely on the right track with the QB play for sure. Even the quality guys that have come from spread offenses have shown huge deficiencies when they have to actually read defenses especially on the fly.

How many years are we going to keep believing this before we start pointing the finger at NFL coaches? If you can only win games with your QB playing one specific way then YOU'RE the problem and not the dozens and dozens of prospects that come in. At what point is there an adjustment for the talent coming in? Or will they just bang their heads against the wall forever? I truly believe some of these coaches would rather lose their way than adjust for the times.

[TracerBullet]

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I want the developmental league just so I can have some football in the spring. I used to watch NFL Europe and still catch a few CFL games now and then just for a fix during these down months.

[SPTO]

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Dez just signed for 5/70 with 45 guaranteed. Get that money young men. Houston too.

I'm surprised he didn't try to go for Megatron money but at least most of the money is guaranteed. I just fear that he'll cry at some point and want a bigger deal.

How many years are we going to keep believing this before we start pointing the finger at NFL coaches? If you can only win games with your QB playing one specific way then YOU'RE the problem and not the dozens and dozens of prospects that come in. At what point is there an adjustment for the talent coming in? Or will they just bang their heads against the wall forever? I truly believe some of these coaches would rather lose their way than adjust for the times.

I think it's really a combination of coaches being dinosaurs and the development of QBs not being as good as it once was. There should be some give and take in the process. I mean if a guy like Dan Reeves could install SOME discipline in Michael Vick while being amenable to opening up the playbook than there is some hope. I know that's a really dated comparison but it's probably the way it's going to end up if these spread offense QBs are going to be successful in the league.

[Bmore Irish]

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The NFL already has a free minor league, it's called the NCAA.




How many years are we going to keep believing this before we start pointing the finger at NFL coaches? If you can only win games with your QB playing one specific way then YOU'RE the problem and not the dozens and dozens of prospects that come in. At what point is there an adjustment for the talent coming in? Or will they just bang their heads against the wall forever? I truly believe some of these coaches would rather lose their way than adjust for the times.

Some teams already do use spread/college offense elements with success. Route combinations, built in run/pass options, etc. The Patriots and Seahawks both come to mind. I don't think that means it would work as your every down philosophy.

Doesn't it go both ways? How many QBs, past and present, have been able to successfully run various pro style offenses? Now it's suddenly the type of offense that's the problem?

I'm all for incorporating a variety of looks in a playbook, but I don't see how essentially running simplified, single-read spread offenses is any more of a solution than having young QBs learn how to run a pro offense earlier in their career.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Some teams already do use spread/college offense elements with success. Route combinations, built in run/pass options, etc. The Patriots and Seahawks both come to mind. I don't think that means it would work as your every down philosophy.

Doesn't it go both ways? How many QBs, past and present, have been able to successfully run various pro style offenses? Now it's suddenly the type of offense that's the problem?

I'm all for incorporating a variety of looks in a playbook, but I don't see how essentially running simplified, single-read spread offenses is any more of a solution than having young QBs learn how to run a pro offense earlier in their career.

I understand there's a give and take. But right now colleges are giving more and more non-traditional QBs and the NFL isn't taking them. That's my problem. I don't think there's a "right" or "wrong" way to play QB and I've never understood those that do.

If my entire pool of incoming talent played the game a certain way, my 1st thought wouldn't be "how do I get them to play my way". It would be "how do I translate this to success at my level."

This "problem" has been on the horizon for, what, a decade now? We're just now getting to the point where some coaches will even consider being a little flexible. That's just ridiculous to me.

[wwharton]

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The NFL already has a free minor league, it's called the NCAA.




How many years are we going to keep believing this before we start pointing the finger at NFL coaches? If you can only win games with your QB playing one specific way then YOU'RE the problem and not the dozens and dozens of prospects that come in. At what point is there an adjustment for the talent coming in? Or will they just bang their heads against the wall forever? I truly believe some of these coaches would rather lose their way than adjust for the times.

My problem with your comments is that they need to be connected, and in that sense I disagree with you.

The NCAA and NFL are not connected, and you're suggesting that the NFL should adjust based on what the NCAA is doing and that is definitely not happening and shouldn't. The NFL is king of all American sports, making money hand over fist. Football players are lucky to get a spot in the NFL. I personally think that QBs (and other players) shouldn't be rushed on the field if they're not ready, and a minor league system would help that, but definitely don't think the NFL coaches need to just adjust for kids coming out bc they aren't learning the game a way these coaches feel would make the team successful.

In the same sense NCAA coaches are trying to win with what they have, not prepare all of their players for the next level. I don't blame them for not caring if the QBs aren't ready when they graduate/leave either. Ones that do may have an edge with a top QB recruit, but since that's clearly not a problem across the board they should do exactly what they're doing.

Skills don't HAVE to translate directly. It's up to scouts, coaches and GMs to make up the difference. I like the idea of a minor league, but without one, just stop throwing these kids to the wolves and then complaining that they can't adjust on the fly in a year or two.

[kingkilla56]

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I dont think a spring league would help a damn thing. I love how these execs like Polian blame the college offenses for prospects not being ready for the NFL game. Newsflash, qbs have been busting in the NFL since the beginning of time, well before spread offenses took over the college game. Its a hard position to be great at in the NFL. That has never not been the case, please stop with the bs NCAA bashing.

[TheShizNo1]

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I dont think a spring league would help a damn thing.

Idk what it would do as far as the balance of successful QBs versus busts, but that comment just isn't true. Sometimes all guys need are reps. A developmental league would provide just that.


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[dsallupinyaarea]

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My problem with your comments is that they need to be connected, and in that sense I disagree with you.

The NCAA and NFL are not connected, and you're suggesting that the NFL should adjust based on what the NCAA is doing and that is definitely not happening and shouldn't. The NFL is king of all American sports, making money hand over fist. Football players are lucky to get a spot in the NFL. I personally think that QBs (and other players) shouldn't be rushed on the field if they're not ready, and a minor league system would help that, but definitely don't think the NFL coaches need to just adjust for kids coming out bc they aren't learning the game a way these coaches feel would make the team successful.

In the same sense NCAA coaches are trying to win with what they have, not prepare all of their players for the next level. I don't blame them for not caring if the QBs aren't ready when they graduate/leave either. Ones that do may have an edge with a top QB recruit, but since that's clearly not a problem across the board they should do exactly what they're doing.

Skills don't HAVE to translate directly. It's up to scouts, coaches and GMs to make up the difference. I like the idea of a minor league, but without one, just stop throwing these kids to the wolves and then complaining that they can't adjust on the fly in a year or two.

No, NFL coaches don't have to do anything. But if my QB alternatives are Matt Cassell (insert any retread) or thinking outside the box, I'm thinking outside the box.

[Rocky]

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I dont think a spring league would help a damn thing. I love how these execs like Polian blame the college offenses for prospects not being ready for the NFL game. Newsflash, qbs have been busting in the NFL since the beginning of time, well before spread offenses took over the college game. Its a hard position to be great at in the NFL. That has never not been the case, please stop with the bs NCAA bashing.

The ironic thing is that the concepts that we now consider "Pro-Style" came from....the NCAA.

[kingkilla56]

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Idk what it would do as far as the balance of successful QBs versus busts, but that comment just isn't true. Sometimes all guys need are reps. A developmental league would provide just that.


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Only benefit I see is for the few guys who dominate the mediocre d league talent getting exposure. Teams will take fliers on those handful of guys. The rest, meh. Teams certainly wont send their draft picks to compete in those leagues. Who would they send to those leagues? How do they explain spring league injuries to their fans? Idk.

[TracerBullet]

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Only benefit I see is for the few guys who dominate the mediocre d league talent getting exposure. Teams will take fliers on those handful of guys. The rest, meh. Teams certainly wont send their draft picks to compete in those leagues. Who would they send to those leagues? How do they explain spring league injuries to their fans? Idk.

In all honesty it probably just works out like NFL Europe. A lot of guys don't pan out, but every once in awhile you find a Kurt Warner.