2021 Transaction Thread

[IlluminatusUIUC]

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It's a sneaky smart time to trade for him. He gets the benefit of a few extra days with the team and gets to be on the sidelines this weekend, but the Eagles have already paid his week 6 salary.

[illwill10]

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Is he worth more? He seems to have been a product of volume. He’s good at what he does, and that’s very useful to a team trying to fill that need, but he’s not anywhere close to the class of Kelce, Kittle, or Waller. Those guys are matchup nightmares, Ertz seems like a standard type who is an expert on short routes and bodying out defenders then falling down. A 5th and a player for a decent TE seems about the going rate. Seems like only QB’s can fetch high picks these days or catching a team overpaying or desperate for an upgrade.

The Cards didn’t want to part with Jordan Hicks? He’s gotta be better than the scrubs they’re running out there every week.

If it was a year or so ago, they could have gotten a 3rd for him. With NFL today, unless you're a premier OT, DE, CB, DB, you're not getting more than a 3rd for a established vet(obviously QB). I like the trade for both sides. Ertz goes to a contender with a clear need at TE after injury. Eagles are going to extend Goddert, so they want to feature him before extending him. Plus, it allows more 11 personnel and gives younger WRs more targets.

I'm surprised too with Hicks. Isn't he the backup after they drafted Collins and after a restructure, I think his cap hit is only $2M. None of the Eagles LBs would start for other teams. Singleton gets volume tackles, but misses a lot of tackles and isn't great in coverage. Eric Wilson hasn't been a good signing. Davian, I guess, has the most upside. But, he was a 3rd round pick who should have been drafted in the 5th round at best. Kerrigan has been a No show so far. It's a bad LB situation when Gernald Avery is the best LB. They need to do something at LB.

[ggsimmonds]

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Is he worth more? He seems to have been a product of volume. He’s good at what he does, and that’s very useful to a team trying to fill that need, but he’s not anywhere close to the class of Kelce, Kittle, or Waller. Those guys are matchup nightmares, Ertz seems like a standard type who is an expert on short routes and bodying out defenders then falling down. A 5th and a player for a decent TE seems about the going rate. Seems like only QB’s can fetch high picks these days or catching a team overpaying or desperate for an upgrade.

The Cards didn’t want to part with Jordan Hicks? He’s gotta be better than the scrubs they’re running out there every week.

Definitely no where near the top TEs in the league, but theres another value tier between them and 5th and 6th round guys.
Ravens got a 2nd for Hurst. Granted there is an age difference.

I would've penciled his value at a 4th so its not that far off the mark

[slickdtc]

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That would fall in to the overpay category, no? Hurst has never lived up to his first round draft status, and the Falcons immediately drafted Kyle Pitts after a year with Hurst. Useful TE, but just not quite what you want for what they (Ravens and Falcons) invested in him.

Ertz is not going to get better, though in a new offense and with less focus I can see him being more efficient. No disrespect to Ertz earlier. But it’s always felt like he was on the cusp of taking the next step and he never dominated the same way as other top TE’s. But he did dominate his areas of specialty and that’s worth a ton. Just not as much as the Eagles and fans who have watched him probably thought because the trade value system is hard to get a read on unless you play a few specific positions or another team overvalues a position.

[ggsimmonds]

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Oh it was definitely an overpay.

inkcil is a Eagles fan. You want your team to "win" the trade and in this case, the Eagles definitely didn't.
An unbiased observer may see Ertz and think a 5th/6th is fair, but if you're a fan of the team you don't want fair value, you want to get back maximum value.

I could see why someone may hope for more from Ertz. Nothing crazy like anything involving 1sts or 2nds, but maybe a 4th and that cornerback.

Ertz's value for the Eagles is low. A pass catching TE on a poor offense doesn't move the needle much.
But his value for the Cardinals should be higher. TEs are great complimentary pieces but not foundational pieces.

Almost everyone says this is a great trade...for Arizona. No one is saying its great for the Eagles.

Also, this:

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/31546/weighing-philadelphia-eagles-trade-options-from-zach-ertz-to-julio-jones

"This isn't a guy in the twilight of his career. He's a guy still in his prime. A year ago at this time, everyone was talking about where he ranked with the top tight ends in the league," Roseman said in early May. "So we feel really good about the kind of player he is and we have to do what's best for our team as well, and again we have a lot of respect for him and continue to remain a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. If something changes, we'll update you guys."
The expectation remains Ertz will be off the team eventually, but we might not be at the end of the road quite yet as Philadelphia looks for something better than a low Day 3 pick.

Article states they had offers last offseason but the Eagles held out for better offers. You don't hold out for a 5th and a 6th.

[illwill10]

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Oh it was definitely an overpay.

inkcil is a Eagles fan. You want your team to "win" the trade and in this case, the Eagles definitely didn't.
An unbiased observer may see Ertz and think a 5th/6th is fair, but if you're a fan of the team you don't want fair value, you want to get back maximum value.

I could see why someone may hope for more from Ertz. Nothing crazy like anything involving 1sts or 2nds, but maybe a 4th and that cornerback.

Ertz's value for the Eagles is low. A pass catching TE on a poor offense doesn't move the needle much.
But his value for the Cardinals should be higher. TEs are great complimentary pieces but not foundational pieces.

Almost everyone says this is a great trade...for Arizona. No one is saying its great for the Eagles.

Also, this:

https://www.espn.com/blog/philadelphia-eagles/post/_/id/31546/weighing-philadelphia-eagles-trade-options-from-zach-ertz-to-julio-jones

"This isn't a guy in the twilight of his career. He's a guy still in his prime. A year ago at this time, everyone was talking about where he ranked with the top tight ends in the league," Roseman said in early May. "So we feel really good about the kind of player he is and we have to do what's best for our team as well, and again we have a lot of respect for him and continue to remain a member of the Philadelphia Eagles. If something changes, we'll update you guys."
The expectation remains Ertz will be off the team eventually, but we might not be at the end of the road quite yet as Philadelphia looks for something better than a low Day 3 pick.

Article states they had offers last offseason but the Eagles held out for better offers. You don't hold out for a 5th and a 6th.

As an Eagles fan also, you don't hold out this long for a 5th and a 6th. I get that the Maxx Williams injury was a major factor, but I'm sure there will similar offers in the offseason. They should have made a trade before the regular season because his value wasn't going to increase in season(and it didn't). They were hoping for a Sam Bradford-Bridgewater situation.

I like the deal for the Eagles just from the standpoint that they should be able to fully feature Goddert now. He's going to get paid and won't be a discount. So, they should at least see him as the TE1 for a couple weeks. Plus with them running a full time Shotgun/Spread/College offense, you need less 12 personnel.

[ggsimmonds]

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As an Eagles fan also, you don't hold out this long for a 5th and a 6th. I get that the Maxx Williams injury was a major factor, but I'm sure there will similar offers in the offseason. They should have made a trade before the regular season because his value wasn't going to increase in season(and it didn't). They were hoping for a Sam Bradford-Bridgewater situation.

I like the deal for the Eagles just from the standpoint that they should be able to fully feature Goddert now. He's going to get paid and won't be a discount. So, they should at least see him as the TE1 for a couple weeks. Plus with them running a full time Shotgun/Spread/College offense, you need less 12 personnel.

Do you like it because you view it as addition by subtraction and that the Eagles are better now, or because of developmental reasons?

[illwill10]

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Do you like it because you view it as addition by subtraction and that the Eagles are better now, or because of developmental reasons?

Yes, lol

They weren't actually running a lot of 12. Most of the time Goddert and Ertz were splitting time. When they were 12, Goddert was the in line blocker because Ertz isn't as physical. Also good for developmental reasons as for it benefits the younger WRs. When your best 2 receivers are you're top 2 TEs, it forces you into 12 more. This year is all about development for the young WRs. It would help if Sirriani did more to more to put WRs in position to succeed. Like I would use Reagor in a Deebo Samuels role. The offense puts too much on Hurts, but at the same time it's like they don't trust him to run a NFL offense.

Sirrani said in last presser that they know the Pass--Run ratio has been off and that he doesn't want it to exceed 70-30. I thought they would be more of a running team. It should be 60-40 pass max. I'm always in favor of Winning the T.O.P battle, the Turnover battle, and limiting big plays defensively. Outside of LB, the defense isn't bad. It's just on the field too much. Eagles O feels like a Big 12 Offense

[slickdtc]

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Haha, I’m basically half an Eagles fan myself being from the area. I think the Birds overvalued him in the same tier as Kelce, Waller. He has put up those numbers — in a different offense, under a different HC, with a different QB. They held out for a chance to see if Jalen would have the same chemistry that Wentz did and they don’t, even though Jalen is more of a short - intermediate passer and that should be the sweet spot. Also, they had 6 games together. And it’s hard to put up 116 receptions no matter what. They wanted the early returns to justify what they valued him at, and it went the other way.

Roseman is a lot of things but he knows the cap and how to get max draft capital, so I’m sure this was the best they were going to get. Every day it would become less. This was probably the minimum they’d accept for him before it made more sense to let him ride it out in Philly.

[ggsimmonds]

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Haha, I’m basically half an Eagles fan myself being from the area. I think the Birds overvalued him in the same tier as Kelce, Waller. He has put up those numbers — in a different offense, under a different HC, with a different QB. They held out for a chance to see if Jalen would have the same chemistry that Wentz did and they don’t, even though Jalen is more of a short - intermediate passer and that should be the sweet spot. Also, they had 6 games together. And it’s hard to put up 116 receptions no matter what. They wanted the early returns to justify what they valued him at, and it went the other way.

Roseman is a lot of things but he knows the cap and how to get max draft capital, so I’m sure this was the best they were going to get. Every day it would become less. This was probably the minimum they’d accept for him before it made more sense to let him ride it out in Philly.

I suspect you may be right. They could have gotten more this past offseason if their expectations were more reasonable, but I wouldn't be surprised if their asking price was far too high and in the end they had to face a realization that this is the best offer they will get, take it or leave it.

They gambled and lost, but the injury to Maxx still allowed them to get some decent value.

[slickdtc]

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Yup. I was heavily invested in this Ertz saga because there was big rumors about him going to Buffalo in a classic Eagles/Bills trade. We love that ****. But Dawson Knox has basically switched roles with Ertz in terms of production, and so a major trade partner went bye bye for the Eagles. If Knox continued to play below expectations, Bills probably would’ve pulled the trigger on a pretty substantial offer considering our status as a SB contender and the window being so small. Wouldn’t surprise me if BUF was the team Roseman was playing chicken with.

[slickdtc]

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Well ****, we might have been able to use him if Knox’s hand injury is bad, and I imagine it is enough to keep him out multiple weeks. Bummer!

[slickdtc]

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Texans cut Whitney Mercilus.

Hasn’t been as good as his banner 2015 season, but looks like he’s been more productive this year than of late. Any team looking for rush LB help could use him, it would appear.

[roadman]

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Texans cut Whitney Mercilus.

Hasn’t been as good as his banner 2015 season, but looks like he’s been more productive this year than of late. Any team looking for rush LB help could use him, it would appear.

HC Matt said it isn't official, yet, but we need him with all of our injuries at that position.

Former Texans DE Whitney Mercilus expected to join the Green Bay Packers, per a league source

[ggsimmonds]

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A possible Watson trade is a hot topic of conversation today.

A long time reporter in Houston tweeted that a deal to send Watson to Miami was basically done.
Another Houston reporter clarified that it would be a 3 team trade where Miami would send Tua to WFT.

AFAIK, every credible reporter outside of Houston who has spoke on this has said its bunk. They are using strong language in doing so. One guy who has a source in WFT described it as bs.

On Pat's show Rappaport said that there are teams interested, but the situation is so complex that he doubts anything gets done before the trade deadline.

A popular opinion is that Houston likely leaked this fictional trade.

I can't wrap my head around why though. It would be one thing if they said something vague like "oh we are almost finished on a deal, can't give you details but stay tuned."
That could put pressure on other teams who are interested but reluctant to match Houston's asking price.

But by leaking a 3 team trade including WFT, its too easy for WFT to expose that as BS. So not only does Houston not gain leverage, but they lose some imo because now teams know that you have to create fictional trades to gain leverage.

If Houston leaked this it just seems stupid to me.
(and if its an actual trade and not bs its still dumb to leak because now you create an opportunity for push back from Miami stakeholders that could jeopardize the trade)