Official Denver Broncos Thread

[Jonsco28]

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There doesn't have to be an argument. Everyone has made legitimate points. Nobody knows how this is going to work, but I'm not a 'blind Tebow fan'. I am a Broncos fan. There has been so much negativity surrounding this organization for the past 2-1/2 years that it's nice to have something to get behind.

There are no right, wrong, or immediate answers, and the truth is that what we think or believe doesn't amount to a hill of beans when it comes to what this team is going to do. I think it would be sweet if Denver can find a way to make this work. They can't be a purely option team, but it's one more wrinkle....

"No knock against anybody else, but the quarterback we have now likes this stuff. He has a bigger body. Running is one of this guy's strengths. Put in this offense and some quarterbacks in the league would look at you like you had three heads. Tebow feeds off it. He likes the physical part of football, and it's a little bit unique. He can pass. But this is an ability (Tebow) has that most quarterbacks don't have in this league." - John Fox

[Jonsco28]

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It's almost like Tebow, being the good guy that he is, wants to make everyone happy.... detractors and all.

[Aggies7]

Great game by the defense. Hopefully we can ride momentum into the game against Chargers.

[Broncos86]

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The defense played very well, and Von Miller was unleashed on Sanchez. Holding the Jets' offense in check and putting up 7 of the 17 points? You can't ask for too much more from your defense.

The offense was average at best. Until the very last drive when Tebow scrambled, the team was averaging roughly 2 ypc. This game will be studied greatly by defensive coordinators. The Jets solved the option offense, and they should've considering Rex Ryan's background.

If Rivers continues his trend of throwing stupid picks, the next game is ours.

[SkeeterJD]

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The defense played very well, and Von Miller was unleashed on Sanchez. Holding the Jets' offense in check and putting up 7 of the 17 points? You can't ask for too much more from your defense.

The offense was average at best. Until the very last drive when Tebow scrambled, the team was averaging roughly 2 ypc. This game will be studied greatly by defensive coordinators. The Jets solved the option offense, and they should've considering Rex Ryan's background.

If Rivers continues his trend of throwing stupid picks, the next game is ours.

To say that the offense was average is paying them a compliment. The Jets did a good job playing their gap roles and stopping the option, but I saw some pretty horrendous play calling. They were playing scared for most of the game. Tebow had some good throws and some bad ones, but I also saw some dropped passes. Decker seemed a little off. And Eddie needs to learn how to run a correct 3rd down route. If its 3rd and 6 you can't run a 5 yard out.

Huge props to the defense. It's been a long time since you can rely on Denver's defense to make a play. Maybe since the first part of the season when Coyer was defensive coordinator? I was bummed that they picked up that ludicrous 4th and 19, but I definitely like the end result.

[Jonsco28]

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I have to admit... I was frustrated through the majority of the game with the offense. I get what they are trying to do, but you can't have so many three and outs. Denver had so many opportunities in the first half, and they blew all of them. Even when they got their three following the shanked punt, they didn't get a first down. They dominated the field position battle and they basically had nothing to show for it. Very disappointing.

The Jets were playing the run all night, like everyone knew they would. I don't see how you can expect to consistently run off-tackle and stretch plays on a defense like that when they are geared up to stop the run.

I hated the play-call on that 4th and short. I thought for sure Tebow would take that on a sneak. They only needed a foot.

McGahee wasn't anywhere near 100%. I would have rather have him sit and rest. Ball has proven himself to be effective.

I LOVED THE DEFENSE. Tebow pulled it out, but the defense is what allowed it to happen. Miller was an absolute beast. I was shocked that he didn't get flagged on a couple of the shots he got on Sanchez.

[Broncos86]

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As a pro, you need to be ready when your number is called, but a position like WR is a rhythm position. And it'd be tough for guys like Decker to get a rhythm and get into the game with an offense like that. You still need to make plays when the ball hits your hands, but the WRs were really having to adjust their bodies to make catches. You're asking quite a bit for a WR to come in, see almost no action outside of run-blocking, and then suddenly have to make a fully-stretched out diving catch (while changing directions).

The offense is REALLY missing opportunities with Eric Decker. How does this guy keep getting open deep with double coverage?? It's amazing, and if Tebow and Decker can get on the same page and get some timing down, that'd be the big play that the Broncos need to stretch the field and keep the defense honest.

It Tebow can shore up that accuracy and hit those guys better, the offense could REALLY take off. If defenses have to stay honest against the Broncos, the option will shred them. And if Tebow can make defenses pay for cheating and crowding the line of scrimmage, big plays will happen. Someone like D. Thomas is so big that Tebow could hit that deep back shoulder throw and Thomas will come down with it every time.

If the offense can't keep defenses honest, this rollercoaster is going to come to a halt.

Edit; http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19366873 John Fox regrets comments he made during NFL.com article.

[SkeeterJD]

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As a pro, you need to be ready when your number is called, but a position like WR is a rhythm position. And it'd be tough for guys like Decker to get a rhythm and get into the game with an offense like that. You still need to make plays when the ball hits your hands, but the WRs were really having to adjust their bodies to make catches. You're asking quite a bit for a WR to come in, see almost no action outside of run-blocking, and then suddenly have to make a fully-stretched out diving catch (while changing directions).

How many receptions did Dante Rosario have before he caught that pass on their last drive? As I recall, that was his first reception. So do you think he was in a rhythm?

You said it yourself, they are "professionals". Don't blanket your statement by saying they should make the play but don't blame them if they don't. The balls that Decker dropped were VERY catchable balls (and I am not counting the deep ball that Tebow over threw) and could've helped sustain the drive(s). I would guess that 90% of the time, if the ball hits you in your HANDS and you are the teams best receiver, you make that catch.

[Broncos86]

How many receptions did Dante Rosario have before he caught that pass on their last drive? As I recall, that was his first reception. So do you think he was in a rhythm?

You said it yourself, they are "professionals". Don't blanket your statement by saying they should make the play but don't blame them if they don't. The balls that Decker dropped were VERY catchable balls (and I am not counting the deep ball that Tebow over threw) and could've helped sustain the drive(s). I would guess that 90% of the time, if the ball hits you in your HANDS and you are the teams best receiver, you make that catch.

Huh, I didn't expect someone to post with this kind of tone. Whatever.

[Sportsforever]

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As a pro, you need to be ready when your number is called, but a position like WR is a rhythm position. And it'd be tough for guys like Decker to get a rhythm and get into the game with an offense like that. You still need to make plays when the ball hits your hands, but the WRs were really having to adjust their bodies to make catches. You're asking quite a bit for a WR to come in, see almost no action outside of run-blocking, and then suddenly have to make a fully-stretched out diving catch (while changing directions).

The offense is REALLY missing opportunities with Eric Decker. How does this guy keep getting open deep with double coverage?? It's amazing, and if Tebow and Decker can get on the same page and get some timing down, that'd be the big play that the Broncos need to stretch the field and keep the defense honest.

It Tebow can shore up that accuracy and hit those guys better, the offense could REALLY take off. If defenses have to stay honest against the Broncos, the option will shred them. And if Tebow can make defenses pay for cheating and crowding the line of scrimmage, big plays will happen. Someone like D. Thomas is so big that Tebow could hit that deep back shoulder throw and Thomas will come down with it every time.

If the offense can't keep defenses honest, this rollercoaster is going to come to a halt.

Edit; http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_19366873 John Fox regrets comments he made during NFL.com article.

If you are going to give the receivers the benefit of not "being in rhythm" than how much more a QB who throws it only once every 10 plays or so?

[Broncos86]

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If you are going to give the receivers the benefit of not "being in rhythm" than how much more a QB who throws it only once every 10 plays or so?

I see your angle, but that completely ignores everything we know right now, in that Tim Tebow has major fundamental accuracy issues. Plus what you just said ignores the fact that the WRs are having to make acrobatic catches almost everytime just to get their hands on the ball. Moreover, the WRs had no issues with dropping balls from Orton.

Tim Tebow sees little passes because he's inaccurate, etc etc. It's not the other way around. That's not debatable.

[Jonsco28]

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I was glad to see Fox say he was regretful about his recent Tebow comments. I was shocked he made them in the first place. His comments sounded like something he would say off the record to someone while having having a beer.

While I still believe he'd much rather have a more traditional conservative offense, I actually think Fox is truly starting to warm up to Tebow and what he does. Tebow can be very beneficial to the type of game that Fox wants to play. Fox's style is a defensive, low-scoring, ball-control game where winning field position is huge. It may not be pretty throughout the game, but he has a guy who can make plays at the end if they happen to be behind. All they have to do is keep it close.

I think what's encouraging is that there is no doubt that they can get better on offense. If they are able to win now, I have to believe things can only get better as their offense improves. They had several chances against the Jets to put points on the board and conservative playcalling killed the drives. I can't remember the last time they had that good of starting field position throughout the first half.

More kudos needs to be given to this defense and the way they are playing.

[Jonsco28]

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How many receptions did Dante Rosario have before he caught that pass on their last drive? As I recall, that was his first reception. So do you think he was in a rhythm?

You said it yourself, they are "professionals". Don't blanket your statement by saying they should make the play but don't blame them if they don't. The balls that Decker dropped were VERY catchable balls (and I am not counting the deep ball that Tebow over threw) and could've helped sustain the drive(s). I would guess that 90% of the time, if the ball hits you in your HANDS and you are the teams best receiver, you make that catch.

I guess I don't see the 'tone' in this post. I think they are valid points.

[SkeeterJD]

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Huh, I didn't expect someone to post with this kind of tone. Whatever.

I am so glad that you are able to interpret tone in text.

If you don't agree with me that's fine. But I would almost gurantee you that if you asked Decker off the record if he should have caught those balls he wouldn't have said "No, because I wasn't in a rhythm."

I honestly don't see these acrobatic attempts at makeable catches that you do. I have never said that Tebow is an accurate passer and I fully agree with you that he needs to get better. However, when he does get the ball there, its in a catchable spot.

I get it, you're frustrated with Tebow and the offense. I am too most of the time. I'm sure though, if it was up to you, you would rather see Orton in there because he fits more of what you want in a quarterback. Am I right or wrong? If you say Orton I won't get into a Orton v. Tebow debate with you. And honestly, I don't know if Tebow can make it. But this is what I do see. Tebow is a gamer and a playmaker and he finds ways to win games. He inspires both the offense and the defense to higher levels of play. You haven't seen this sort of emotion from either side of the ball for such a long time. You also haven't seen Denver win 3 consecutive games in 2 years. You have never seen Denver beat two divisional opponents on the road in consecutive weeks. You have never seen a longer winning drive other than what Tebow engineered last game in Denvers history.

And thats not debatable.

I don't put all the glory on Tebow nor do I put all the blame on him either. I'm excited to see what this kid can do as well as the rest of the team.

Go Broncos!

[Broncos86]

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Honestly, I'd rather see Quinn or Weber get their chances. Orton already had his shot. I'm not sure if you went to the camps this off-season, but I saw a pretty accurate passer in Adam Weber. The kid can throw the ball.