Official Denver Broncos Thread

[Hammerhunker]

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My point is your entire point of view is based only on what Cutler said. But not even Cutler gave any clue to why he thinks they lied. Did someone tell him they initiated the trade talk? What reason does he have to believe McDaniels actively tried to bring Cassel in and ship him out? If I were going to put all my eggs in his basket, these would be important questions for me.

McDaniels immediately said he didn't initiate any trade talks. Media outlets everywhere talked about how and why the offers came in. Every meeting with the coach, GM and owner was based around a trade they all said (in detail) they didn't offer or pursue, and most importantly, didn't happen.

I can't tell you who to believe. But you wonder why the owner is firmly behind his new coach (he's been on the call between them that Cutler claims went a different way). You have to wonder why McDaniels would agree to the job if he didn't plan on coaching Cutler. Everything makes perfect sense unless you believe what Cutler says which makes no sense at all.

I am digging a little from what you said in there about the owner, Pat Bowlen. Bowlen is fair and not a spontaneous decision maker. When he comes out in support of McDaniel, that tells me a lot...without knowing what is really going on.

When Dan Reeves initiated trade talks with the Washington Redskins about John Elway, it was soon after that Reeves was let go, it wasn't immediate, but after time to assess the situation. He had worked with Reeves a lot longer than he had known John Elway.

My point is that he doesn't always lean a certain way, he tends to lean the correct way. I think he is one of the best owners in sports.

Regardless, from the information given, it sure is hard to condone Jay Cutler's actions. I say, let's get the deal with Cleveland done right now.

[av7]

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An absolute mess here all around.

Bowlen realizes it. He was asked if he thought Cutler would remain a Bronco.

"To tell you the truth, I have no answer to that question," Bowlen said. "I would like to keep him here, obviously. But if you are going to be an unhappy camper, there is no real reason to be here."

Bowlen was asked if he has reservations about McDaniels, his new coach, or the way he handled this matter.

"Obviously, I am not going to criticize the head coach," Bowlen said. "I think he was trying to be a head coach. As I see it, Jay got upset about things and his feelings were hurt, and here we are. I am not going to weigh in on who is to blame here. This whole incident has been written about and talked about, and I am moving on, personally. We're getting ready for the draft and ready to play next season."

Up to Jay if he wants to play here or not, dont care either way really.

[Hammerhunker]

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Up to Jay if he wants to play here or not, dont care either way really.

Yep, I second that.

[Salhus]

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I think there is no question we would be a more talented team with Cutler as our QB next season.

However, if he gets traded I would be dissapointed with anything less than...

Quinn/Campbell or any qb with same level of ability/potential AND a high first round pick (not #1, though.)

[kehlis]

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I think there is no question we would be a more talented team with Cutler as our QB next season.

However, if he gets traded I would be dissapointed with anything less than...

Quinn/Campbell or any qb with same level of ability/potential AND a high first round pick (not #1, though.)

I feel the same way as you about Cutler, I really want him back.

But honestly, even though I initially was against it, I would prefer they draft either Stafford or Sanchez if the Cutler situation doesn't work out.

McDaniels has proven that he can groom QB's, and teams have proven in recent history that they can be successful with rookie QB's.

Again, this is not the option I want, but it would be my preferred option.

[bkrich83]

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I feel the same way as you about Cutler, I really want him back.

But honestly, even though I initially was against it, I would prefer they draft either Stafford or Sanchez if the Cutler situation doesn't work out.

McDaniels has proven that he can groom QB's, and teams have proven in recent history that they can be successful with rookie QB's.

Again, this is not the option I want, but it would be my preferred option.

If Cutler doesn't fit the scheme and doesn't have the intangibles required at that position, do you still desperataly want him? It never works out when trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Ask Randall Cunningham.

The intangibles stuff is speculative as well I have no solid evidence, but I've read and heard, and seen some evidence, he's not a great leader, he's a bit overly sensitive, and high strung. And lets face it, he's never been a winner, from HS on through the NFL.

If the Broncos are going to trade him (not saying the should), this is the time to do it. His trade value will probably never be higher than it is now.

[kehlis]

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If Cutler doesn't fit the scheme and doesn't have the intangibles required at that position, do you still desperataly want him? It never works out when trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Ask Randall Cunningham.

No, if he doesn't fit the system, I wouldn't have a problem getting rid of him.

But with that said, who's to say he doesn't fit the sytem? I don't pretend to be a football expert, I didn't watch him in college, I have watched every game of his since he became a starer, and i just don't see why you wouldn't give someone with his potential a chance to work in the system.

The intangibles stuff is speculative as well I have no solid evidence, but I've read and heard, and seen some evidence, he's not a great leader, he's a bit overly sensitive, and high strung. And lets face it, he's never been a winner, from HS on through the NFL.

Yea, I think his intangibles are hard to get a solid read on. I have read what you have read about him, but I have also read things that the way he comes off on TV cameras is in no vindictive of how he actually is.

Yea, he shows up his teamates at times when he shouldn't, but he also isn't afraid to show leadership with players (coming from an interview with Eddie Royal, and if you have seen or read any interviews with him, he is a very classy and honest guy).

And I agree with you, he has never been a winner, but that doesn't necessarily mean he isn't competitive or driven by winning.

If the Broncos are going to trade him (not saying the should), this is the time to do it. His trade value will probably never be higher than it is now.

I am 99% sure I will be in the minority on this.

But even though I agree with you that his value is the highest now as it would be if it didn't work out, I would rather risk that value to give him a couple years to work in this new system.

[kehlis]

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John Elway says he's saddened for both Jay Cutler and the Denver Broncos in their simmering feud that could end in an ugly split. In his first comments about the quarterback conflict that has enshrouded the new regime of coach Josh McDaniels and general manager Brian Xanders, the Hall of Famer told The Pueblo Chieftain he thinks the entire episode is "sad and unfortunate."
"Obviously, there was a lack of communication somewhere to where it blew this thing up to where it has got to now," Elway told the newspaper while in Pueblo for a fundraiser Thursday night. "I'm sad for both sides.
"I'm sad for the Broncos because I think that Jay is a great player and he obviously has a lot of potential and this is a great place for a player like him to play. Hopefully, they can get the rift fixed because I don't think that there's any rift that's too solid," Elway said.
"For Jay, there's not a better place to play football and to have a better opportunity to win Super Bowls because you have an owner (Pat Bowlen) who wants to win Super Bowls," Elway said.
"As a quarterback, that's all you can ask for. I understand Jay's feelings got hurt, but it's too bad it has got to where it is. I wish Jay would have got some better advice from whoever he was getting advice from," he said.

GREAT points by John! Give Jay a call!

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11960468

[Hammerhunker]

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Jay Cutler not fitting the new offensive system has not even been brought into the discussion. The whole situation stemmed from a misunderstanding and touchy feelings. Just as the Great One said, sounds like he got some poor advice. Plus, what a great situation to push for a new fatter contract.

[av7]

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Just a heads up, NFLN will have McDaniels on NFL Access tonight (7 ET).

[Salhus]

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Just a heads up, NFLN will have McDaniels on NFL Access tonight (7 ET).

Thanks. Gonna snoop around the owners meetings this week.

Any tips on gettin in?

[Salhus]

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Josh reportedly said "Jay Cutler is our quarterback."

[av7]

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Josh reportedly said "Jay Cutler is our quarterback."

He's always said that so don't expect it to be some stellar interview. He'll have the textbook answers for the questions. There's a reason why he has yet to go on local radio or give an interview to the local sport writers, they'll ask tough questions. So far he's only talked to SI and NFLN

[av7]

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Running game changing

Never mind the new set of running backs (Buckhalter, J.J. Arrington and LaMont Jordan) the Broncos acquired through free agency. Perhaps the most significant change to the Broncos' offense this year will be the diminished role of the zone-blocking scheme that had been a Denver staple since the Mike Shanahan era began in 1995.

"That was really their bread-and-butter," McDaniels said. "We did more gap schemes in New England, where we're going to pull a guard. I can't give that up. That's kind of my baby. But you're going to see both."

The new running scheme will showcase the agility of Broncos guards Ben Hamilton and Chris Kuper.

[kehlis]

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Running game changing

Here was my favorite part from the interview:

Do you see Tony Scheffler as a good fit in your offense?


"Yeah, of course. Ben Watson's been a very good fit in New England. There's been a lot of good tight ends we've used a lot of ways, and Tony would be one of those players. He's a guy that can present a lot of problems for defenses, as can Daniel Graham, so yeah, absolutely. We've always used two tight ends, we may use more one-tight end or more two-tight ends depending on the week, but this has never been a big two-back offense, although we will do some of that."

I really hope they hold onto him and give him a shot at this offense. I think the talk of him being traded was just as disappointing to Cutler as anything else.