Official Denver Broncos Thread

[av7]

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Wwharton, there's a fair share of people here who blame Cutler for not doing enough last season or making less mistakes despite the enormous number of pass attempts he had to do because the defense couldn't give the offense a break. The 8-8 record was better than what should have happened with the defense we had, I think yesterday the figure was 3 to 5 wins. Imagine what he could do with a defense to help out.

As for McDaniels, he's rubbing people the wrong way when he's been here for only 2 months, while we're now used to Cutler after 3 years. He made a rookie mistake with the trade, he lost when he couldn't complete it and now he's paying for it. Cutler made his own mistake by talking to the media instead of keeping it in house. With Cutler and Shanahan, he didnt throw a fit imo, he said his piece and left it at that.

I would love to exchange defenses with you guys for a season to see how Flacco does with our "defense" and Cutler with yours. Sure makes life easier.

Edit- with all that, Cutler still does need to learn how to control his emotions, dont speak if it's even questionable. Calling out WR's last year on routes and dropped balls is no way to get people behind you. This year will be interesting to say the least, maybe he'll grow up.. maybe he wont. I want to give him a legit shot with even a mediocre defense just to see how well he does.

[wwharton]

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That's the thing though. You don't have to bring Flacco and the Ravens into it. I would be (and have been) the first to say it. I haven't seen people blaming Cutler and, as I mentioned, I don't blame him... and I don't question his talent at all. I honestly haven't seen it. Maybe on the bronco boards it's happening but I can't say I've even seen it here.

Your comments about McDaniels are partially true based on the facts we know. But part of what you're saying is speculation. He said he didn't try to trade Cutler. Do you have proof that he did? And lets use the hypothetical situation and say that he did... do you think it had anything to do with Cutler's talent throwing the ball?

I don't really believe he tried and don't think his considering of offers had to do with not thinking Cutler could play. So there are issues and I agree with a lot you said, but the theme of that article is pointless... basically stating the obvious b/c that's not the issue.

[kehlis]

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but the theme of that article is pointless... basically stating the obvious b/c that's not the issue.

To be fair, this was part of a 2 part series where Paige was arguing for and this guy was arguing against.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11892073

Get out of Denver, baby.
Put quarterback Jay Cutler on notice he has thrown his last tantrum and final touchdown pass for the Broncos.
Trade him.
Rather than trying to slap Band-Aids on egos wounded in a stupid testosterone match between new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and Cutler, it would be better for all concerned to call the whole thing off, before a disgruntled Jay-C begins heaving spitwads at little General McD from the back of a team meeting room.

On a side not, this cannot be good news and says more than any "source close to the situation:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11906852

With off-season workouts scheduled next week at Dove Valley and uncertainty about whether Jay Cutler will show up, the quarterback on Thursday put his multi-million dollar Castle Pines house up for sale, KMGH-7 reported.
Cutler's 7,516-square-foot house on nearly 1-1/2 acres is advertised for sale at $2 million, the TV station said, citing a real estate listing. Cutler bought the house in 2006 for $1.34 million, the station reported.

[av7]

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That's the thing though. You don't have to bring Flacco and the Ravens into it. I would be (and have been) the first to say it. I haven't seen people blaming Cutler and, as I mentioned, I don't blame him... and I don't question his talent at all. I honestly haven't seen it. Maybe on the bronco boards it's happening but I can't say I've even seen it here.

Your comments about McDaniels are partially true based on the facts we know. But part of what you're saying is speculation. He said he didn't try to trade Cutler. Do you have proof that he did? And lets use the hypothetical situation and say that he did... do you think it had anything to do with Cutler's talent throwing the ball?

I don't really believe he tried and don't think his considering of offers had to do with not thinking Cutler could play. So there are issues and I agree with a lot you said, but the theme of that article is pointless... basically stating the obvious b/c that's not the issue.

I dont have any proof that he initiated talks or anything that involves that. I've said it before, it could all just be an attempt to play on McDaniels and Cassel's past experience; Tampa heard Detroit put in an offer so they figured why not.

Who knows what really happened, and we'll never find out since McDaniels thinks this is his town now. I have a hard time believing Bowlen hired McDaniels because he wanted to get rid of Cutler, Cutler and the offense had to be the reason why he came here instead of Rams, Lions, Chiefs, etc.

Of course McDaniels isn't considering any trades, especially now, theres no one to play the position here thats of the same value as Cutler. Woody Paige does have problems with some of his articles but he's responding to alot of disgruntled fans (and Alfred Williams) with Cutler who say he wasn't good enough last season. Defense sure didnt help at all this past season. The defense yet again in the offseason doesnt get the majority of attention, it's back on the drama filled offense of guys who cant keep their mouth shut or stay out of trouble.

Side note- Cutler put his home up for sale Horrible timing, much?

[av7]

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Lol media wont let this Jay Cutler vs. Broncos die

Cuter's parents put up their house for sale

Cutler's parents live about two miles from the home he put up for sale on Friday, in the town of Elizabeth. Cutler's home is in Parker.

Their home is listed at 4,144 square feet with four bedrooms, three baths and a three car garage. It has a price tag of $835,000.

[av7]

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Feud continues!

Friction between Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler and head coach Josh McDaniels appears to be turning into a full-fledged feud.

According to a source close to Cutler, the quarterback and McDaniels exchanged words during a meeting Saturday. Attending the meeting were Cutler, his agent Bus Cook, McDaniels and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders. The Broncos say no ultimatums were given during the meeting, which was characterized as cordial with no raised voices. However, no reconciliation was reached.

"There was a brief meeting Saturday morning and we agreed to regroup and continue to have conversations," a Broncos spokesman told The Denver Post this morning. "The Broncos reinforced to Jay and his agent that they have been honest with them since Day One."

The breakdown came just as it appeared Cutler and McDaniels were moving toward mending their relationship. Cutler returned to Denver late last week from Nashville, where he has spent most of his offseason.

With McDaniels holding his first team meeting at 8 a.m. Monday, Cutler not only had planned to attend but had agreed to a pre-emptive meeting with his new coach and general manager. Cutler apparently didn't like what he heard and it is now doubtful he will attend the team meeting Monday, according to the source.

Cutler has been unhappy since learning his name came up in a trade proposal that would have sent him to Tampa Bay in a three-team swap that would have brought Matt Cassel, McDaniels' former quarterback in New England, to Denver. Cutler has said he is not bothered by the trade proposal itself, but rather how Broncos officials have misled him.

McDaniels has said the Broncos merely listened to offers submitted from other teams, as they do for all players.

At this point, the Broncos are not entertaining the idea of trading Cutler.

Interesting read

Somewhere, no doubt behind a closed door, New England coach Bill Belichick may be snickering.

McJaygate? When all else fails, blame it on Belichick.

According to an NFL source, the proposed trade that never materialized but nevertheless turned Broncos' headquarters into "All My Children" didn't go down as so many reports suggest.

The deal that would have sent Jay Cutler elsewhere and New England quarterback Matt Cassel to Denver didn't collapse because Broncos coach Josh McDaniels entered the discussions late. Nor is it true that Belichick took a lesser deal from the Chiefs — the No. 34 overall draft pick in return for not only Cassel but linebacker Mike Vrabel — so he could stick it to his protege.

Belichick might have stuck it to McDaniels, all right. But it's laughable to think Belichick, the NFL's No. 1 football mind, would make a deal to spite himself.

The source, who was involved in the trade discussions, says Belichick aggressively pushed Cassel upon McDaniels from the onset. McDaniels may have allowed loyalty to cloud his judgment and entertained Belichick's proposals far too long.

But according to the source, not one of the many trade offers that swung through Dove Valley came close to pushing the Broncos into striking a deal.

The next thing you know, the Boston Globe breaks the story heard 'round the NFL that the Broncos were discussing a Cutler-Cassel trade. And McDaniels' coaching career is baptized with a quarterback controversy before he can run his first team through wind sprints.

Maybe someday — maybe even Monday, when the new coach conducts his first team meeting — McDaniels and Cutler will share a laugh over the drama that was McJaygate. Belichick might still be laughing.

Head scratcher.

Cutler's attitude toward McDaniels is the first subject that comes up. But something else front offices across NFL-land are wondering: What are the Broncos doing at running back?

No doubt, the Broncos needed to add a free-agent running back following a season in which the only back left standing was a cellphone salesman (Tatum Bell). It even made sense when the Broncos signed Correll Buckhalter and J.J. Arrington, whose styles complement each other. But when LaMont Jordan made it three free-agent backs, eyebrows raised, especially when holdovers Peyton Hillis and Ryan Torain showed so much promise as rookies.

The cache of running backs is easier to understand, however, when following still another trail back to New England, where Mc- Daniels served as offensive coordinator the past three seasons. The Patriots had four running backs get at least 74 carries last season, none of whom was Laurence Maroney, their best rusher who has never had as much as a 900-yard season.

"More than anything, what you're going to see in Denver more than ever before is a lot of packages," said NFL analyst Mark Schlereth, the former Broncos guard. "There are running backs for certain packages. Everybody runs it like that to a certain degree, but the Patriots do more of that than anybody."

[Salhus]

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So, should I sell my Cutler jersey before it loses value?

[Hammerhunker]

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So, should I sell my Cutler jersey before it loses value?

Burn the SOB, lol. I know both sides are probably at fault here, but I just can't be too supportive of Cutler.

[wwharton]

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To be fair, this was part of a 2 part series where Paige was arguing for and this guy was arguing against.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11892073

On a side not, this cannot be good news and says more than any "source close to the situation:

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_11906852

Thanks. That makes A LOT more sense.

Honestly, I think Cutler's a hot head... not uncontrollable but I could see it getting there the more success he has. I think he respected Shannahan so was on his best behavior. I don't see him ever respecting McDaniels... I think if it wasn't this it would've been something else. You guys might be in trouble. I hope he wakes up and realizes what's he's thinking about doing to his career. He still has a shot at being looked at next to Elway some day.

[av7]

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Thanks. That makes A LOT more sense.

Honestly, I think Cutler's a hot head... not uncontrollable but I could see it getting there the more success he has. I think he respected Shannahan so was on his best behavior. I don't see him ever respecting McDaniels... I think if it wasn't this it would've been something else. You guys might be in trouble. I hope he wakes up and realizes what's he's thinking about doing to his career. He still has a shot at being looked at next to Elway some day.

Cutler is a hard head but I think in CO we're used to it, just waiting for him to control it. The Shanahan thing I understand him not liking it but we're 3 months past that, one would hope he's in the mindset to work his *** off for this opportunity with McDaniels (which we're obviously not at). Cutler is/was hurt when Jeremy Bates was let go, everyone knew they were pretty good friends.

Speaking of McDaniels, he's also got to learn just because he was named the HC 2 months ago doesnt mean he's got the locker room respect yet- he's never coached a team of his own and yet to lead the team in a game. He's coaching a team he has no history with, ease into it to feel everyone out.

Cutler and McDaniels seem very similar in their attitudes imo. They need to get to practicing just to feel each other out.. hopefully that would smooth the bumps. If not, he needs to be traded and then maybe he'll realize he had a great opportunity here.

[av7]

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Bowlen Speaks

They have tried separating. They have twice tried meeting.

Nothing has worked. What's next for new Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and his disgruntled quarterback Jay Cutler? There now appears a real possibility the two sides are headed for a divorce based on irreconcilable differences.

"I'm very disappointed," Broncos owner Pat Bowlen said Sunday. "I'm disappointed in the whole picture, not just disappointed that we might lose our star quarterback."

Asked to clarify, Bowlen said he steadfastly supports his new coach and his disappointment lies in the way Cutler has handled the two-week standoff.

Friction between Cutler and McDaniels appears to have escalated following a meeting Saturday at team headquarters. Attending the meeting were Cutler, his agent Bus Cook, McDaniels and Broncos general manager Brian Xanders.

The Broncos say no ultimatums were given during the meeting, which the team characterized as mild-mannered with no raised voices.

However, no reconciliation was reached.

"We agreed to regroup and continue to have conversations," a Broncos spokesman told the Denver Post. "The Broncos reinforced to Jay and his agent that they have been honest with them since Day One."

Cutler and McDaniels did not return calls seeking comment Sunday.

The breakdown came just as it appeared Cutler and McDaniels were moving towards mending their relationship. Cutler returned to Denver late last week from Nashville, where he has spent most of the offseason.

With McDaniels holding his first team meeting at 8 a.m. Monday, Cutler was not only planning to attend, he agreed to a preemptive personal meeting with his new coach and GM. However, according to a source close to Cutler, the quarterback didn't like what he heard and as of Sunday was set on skipping the team meeting Monday.

The meeting, which technically begins the Broncos' offseason conditioning program, is not considered mandatory under the collective bargaining agreement.

The first mandatory session Cutler is obligated to attend is the Broncos' first minicamp, April 17-19. If Cutler skips that minicamp, the Broncos could fine him each day he misses. He could also be fined a pro-rated portion of his signing bonus.

Cutler has insisted that until his situation gets resolved, all conversation with Broncos officials must include Cook, who led the discussions in both a conference call last Monday with Broncos officials that included Bowlen and chief operating officer Joe Ellis, and in the meeting Saturday at Dove Valley with McDaniels and Xanders.

Cook is the same agent who represents Brett Favre and helped facilitate the quarterback's trade out of Green Bay to the New York Jets last summer.

It's possible that because of their mistrust in Broncos officials, Cook and Cutler are seeking commitment from the team via a new contract. After making between $14.6 million and $17.3 million (depending on undisclosed incentives earned) through the first three years of his six-year contract, Cutler will draw a relatively affordable $1.035 million salary this season. Cutler could also earn an additional $100,000 by attending 90 percent of the team's offseason conditioning program that technically begins after the meeting Monday, although, for now, Cutler is willing to forfeit that workout bonus.

Cutler also has bonuses of $4 million in 2010 and $12 million in 2011 that are not guaranteed but would become vested through playing time and performance if he remains with the Broncos.

Cutler, who passed for 25 touchdowns and 4,526 yards last year but also threw 18 interceptions, has been unhappy since learning he was involved in a trade proposal that would have sent him to Tampa Bay in a three-team swap that would have brought Matt Cassel, McDaniels' former quarterback in New England, to Denver.

Cutler has said he is not bothered by the trade proposal itself, but how McDaniels has misled him. McDaniels has said the Broncos merely listened to offers submitted from other teams, as they do for all players, but Cutler's camp isn't buying that explanation.

The Broncos are now weighing their options, including the possibility Cutler isn't interested in playing for them. While the team was hoping to avoid dealing away a 25-year-old quarterback who earned a Pro Bowl nod in just his second full season as a starter, keeping him would risk sending a message to the rest of the team there is one set of rules for Cutler, and another for everybody else.

The Broncos' current backup quarterback is Chris Simms, a former Tampa Bay starter who was recently signed to a two-year, $6 million contract from the free-agent market. Simms will make $3.46 million in salary and bonus in 2009 and could earn another $1.5 million in incentives that appear more makeable with each passing day of the Cutler controversy.

Cutler put his Parker home up for sale last week and his parents listed their Elizabeth home for sale Saturday, perhaps sending the message they are serious about wanting out of Denver.

If Cutler is dealt, his preferences figure to be the Tennessee Titans, who play in Nashville, or the Chicago Bears, his favorite childhood team who would seem to be in need of a quarterback upgrade.

Other possibilities could be Cleveland, whose coach, Eric Mangini, was formerly McDaniels' colleague on Bill Belichick's staff in New England; Tampa Bay; Minnesota; Detroit and Arizona.

Most big NFL trades involve draft picks so any such deal for Cutler probably wouldn't be consummated until the NFL draft, which starts April 25. The Broncos could also decide to not trade Cutler and treat him as a holdout should he not report to workouts next month.

[av7]

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But wait, there's more!

http://cbs4denver.com/sports/cutler.nfl.broncos.2.958850.html

CBS4 has learned that disgruntled Broncos quarterback Jay Cutler is no longer in Denver and is done negotiating with the team. Cutler will not be attending Monday's voluntary team workout. Sources tell CBS4 he has told the Broncos to trade him.

Cuter and his agent met face to face with the Broncos Saturday where no progress was made between the quarterback and his new head coach.

Cutler recently put his house on the market. We're told that the timing of the sale is merely coincidence. Cutler had been planning to sell the house for several months.

CBS4 has also learned that tight end Tony Scheffler intends on skipping tomorrow's voluntary session.

[kehlis]

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what a disaster...

[kehlis]

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I guess it is time to start discussing alternatives you guys would like to see.

As I have mentioned before I love Cutler, I know Arvbas is impartial, I think Hammer wants him gone, and I am not sure what Salhus' stance is on him, but I would prefer if they worked it out and he stayed...

That said, if an alternative becomes necessary, what do you guys want to see?

I don't know what QB's are coming out next year, but right now I would lean towards trading up and drafting a QB this year. I just don't know of any other QB that is available that I would like to see here.

What a terrible situation.

[wwharton]

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Cutler is a hard head but I think in CO we're used to it, just waiting for him to control it. The Shanahan thing I understand him not liking it but we're 3 months past that, one would hope he's in the mindset to work his *** off for this opportunity with McDaniels (which we're obviously not at). Cutler is/was hurt when Jeremy Bates was let go, everyone knew they were pretty good friends.

Speaking of McDaniels, he's also got to learn just because he was named the HC 2 months ago doesnt mean he's got the locker room respect yet- he's never coached a team of his own and yet to lead the team in a game. He's coaching a team he has no history with, ease into it to feel everyone out.

Cutler and McDaniels seem very similar in their attitudes imo. They need to get to practicing just to feel each other out.. hopefully that would smooth the bumps. If not, he needs to be traded and then maybe he'll realize he had a great opportunity here.

That's the problem though. To me, it seems clear that Cutler feels more impowered without Shanahan. He doesn't respect McDaniels and that's a HUGE problem. I understand how you feel McDaniels is making a horrible first impression, but I put myself in his shoes and can't see much I could do differently. They tried to reach out to the kid and he won't accept calls, making every conversation on his terms. He's flipping out at the thought that he's not untradeable which is just the way it is for 99% of the NFL. The first impression McDaniels needs to worry about is maintaining the hierarchy. That's priority number one on gaining respect from the rest of the team.

IMO, every bit of new info just further proves how much Cutler is overreacting.

BTW, for the record I hope they work it out and he stays in Denver. I can't imagine his NFL career going as well as it could anywhere else... and it could fall pretty far depending on how it plays out. Wake up, Jay.