2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Nice info. Really interesting to hear what settings does what like in this case. 😉👍

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Nice info. Really interesting to hear what settings does what like in this case. ����

Are you using the default (Master) Dolphin? In that case you are having stuttering with or without custom textures. That what I have at least.

The Ishi is much better optimized for our game, because I worked closely and discussed the issues with the guy that was/is developing the Ishiruka emulator

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

No. I am using the version that you used for 0.7, ofcourse.


Ishiiruka 1098...


What I mean is that it is enlightening why you have AF at minimum for instance.

[devils17]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Actually, deleting my dolphin cache seemed to fix the problem. I ran 60fps custom textures last night. Even streamed to twitch with zero issues. Seemed to fix the problem.

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Actually, deleting my dolphin cache seemed to fix the problem. I ran 60fps custom textures last night. Even streamed to twitch with zero issues. Seemed to fix the problem.

Go to the practice mode, just with one your player and opposite goalie.

Make sure there is just your player in the view (easiest way is using broadcast camera). And custom textures are loaded.

Then slowly skate towards the other goalie (with different jersey than yours), when that other jersey/goalie gets in the view his texture will load and you will see short stutter.

That's what I'm talking about. If you play full match, where all the jerseys are always loaded and have enough memory then it's not so obvious.
But I guess on some older system it might be pretty taxing.

These png were used for jersey numbers and some boards art.

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Ya, I had the AF maxed too at 1st, but it breaks some things and graphical features.

As for the antialiasing. Always use SSAA, whenever possible.

For example 2xSSAA looks much better and natural than 4x or 8x MSAA

[devils17]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

If I forget to uncheck "Prefetch custom textures" I'll get a " invalid read 0x151c200e, PC = 0x80004cc4" code.

But I use my own PNGs for 2K20. I use some of yours, like the font.

[devils17]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Finally got to test out the mod and it doesn't run too well. Players are SUPER SLOW. Can't figure out why. Everything is default from the install files, even using the settings and sliders (using own/nike's roster). Using my own textures, but even with the custom textures off, it still runs slow.


Clocked 9% CPU usage at 4.23GHz. 980ti at roughly 50% usage. Here's my test stream as proof = https://www.twitch.tv/videos/541856394


Stinks. I really wanted to play this game and be a part of modding it.

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

First. Load the 0.7 sliders. The 2.0 are from the old 0.5 version mod I think.

Second, the game IS slow when one is used to the arcade speeds of regular hockey games. DJNEO tries to simulate the speed things would look in real life. Perhaps it is a little on the slower side though? I have changed speed and acceleration in the sliders from 50 up to something like 55 and I think the game flows a little better and simulates modern quicker NHL better that way.

Third. Can you enable Show FPS so that we see if you hit 60fps all the time?

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Finally got to test out the mod and it doesn't run too well. Players are SUPER SLOW. Can't figure out why. Everything is default from the install files, even using the settings and sliders (using own/nike's roster). Using my own textures, but even with the custom textures off, it still runs slow.


Clocked 9% CPU usage at 4.23GHz. 980ti at roughly 50% usage. Here's my test stream as proof = https://www.twitch.tv/videos/541856394


Stinks. I really wanted to play this game and be a part of modding it.

Well it stutters like hell because you are using few of "yours" png's, which is not a format designed for games, but I think the speed is close to how it's intended.

I have watched some of your streams and to be honest I would be shocked if someone who is enjoying the type of "hockey" games like you would have fun with a hockey simulator.

That's not me saying I'm better than you or anything like that, but different people have fun with different things and this whole 2KHS project is obviously not for you, the same as something like NHL Hitz is not something I would enjoy.

If you're are having fun with a game where evething has to be dumped down and compressed to 4 or 5 minutes, I can assure you you will be depressed with a hockey simulator.

And it will be a lot "worse" (for you) in the upcoming builds, where I want to get rid of most of the "holding hands" and "helps" with aiming the shots, passing, checking etc. and let the improved physics do it's thing.

My goal is to redesign this game for our niche group/market that loves to play realistically and obviously can't have this hockey fix from EA Sports, because they are making games for the masses.

Oh and one last thing.

Everyone with one half open eye can see that you're not using "your textures" as you claim.

And no, it's not just fonts.

I've spent months and years on this project and some of these textures costs me real money.

For example for these boards I bought high-res 4K photos from online shop because I wanted to have these beautiful high quality details on the real-used hockey boards.

Its actually the 1st time I'm saying this publicaly and I do not won't anything for it from the community, but you might try to consider this next time you will take someone else's work and put your name on it... or a name of your project on it.

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

From a game play perspective DJNEO, there are things that bothers me about passing.



If you make it too hard to connect with passes generally, it will result in a game where you don't want to pass the puck and rather just skate in circles until you find space to shoot. For instance I already feel that you miss too many easy passes up to defenders, for example on the powerplay.


When these are missed they often end up in very dangerous chances for the opposition. This results in me not cycling the puck as much as I would like as the risk you take when trying to pass to a defender is too large. This is not realistic.



Also I feel that a simple cross crease pass on a 2-on-1 connects too rarely which makes me rather just shoot in situations where I would have always passed in real life. A 5 meter pass when you are not under pressure is not that hard to connect with on a 2-on-1.


So whether a pass is accurate or not should depend a lot more on how the situation is around the passer. Is he exhausted? Is he under pressure? Is he on a 2-on-1 breakaway? Is he standing still/gliding or is he skating? Things like that. Don't know how much things like this can be made to have an effect though...


These were just my 2 cents on the issue...

[devils17]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

60fps is there. It's in the top corner, displayed in the video.

Seems you didn't read "I use some of yours, like the font" in my post. I also have you in the credit screen, with the first name shown. I put in A LOT of work myself, but I do not claim solo ownership of the game. (BTW, nike made the boards for 2K20).

Thanks for assuming what I like or do not like. Because I mod the Hitz games, doesn't mean I dislike sim games. I play and help with the ESPN NFL 2K5 community, because the game is more sim than the current day Madden games. I like all hockey, even from NHL 94, including sim, hence why I'm playing and helping out for this game. I also play IRL. About as "sim" as it gets.

But now since reading all the insults and false claims, I will no longer be providing feedback for 2KHS, and no longer be working on 2K20. I'll let Nike keep my textures, like the Olympic boards, and player portraits.

[nikethebike]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

60fps is there. It's in the top corner, displayed in the video.

Oh, missed that, my browser window must have not shown all screen. Sorry about that.






And about the issue above...

I don't know if there is any history between you guys and really don't want to get caught in some internet drama. What you are doing DJNEO, is quite amazing and insane, I do understand that you don't want your work stolen or get discredited in any way. I really don't think that was the intention here either, I just believe that devils17 wants to help spreading 2KHS/2K11 to us who want to play a current experience and not just the classic teams/arenas. In my opinion it would be a shame to loose one of the only still actually contributing members of the 2K community due to a misunderstanding...

[DJ NEO]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Don't know about drama, but feedback like "2KHS is slow as heck" is as valuable as if a fan of NFS car game is yelling over Assetto Corsa forums (and this is actually happening from time to time Lol) that their game is slow and boring, why they won't put some nitro to their carefully tuned- physics based cars and cut their laser scanned tracks to half to make it more "fun".

Then he backup his claims with "I drive cars in the real life too" Lol.
Of course the answer is thanks for the feedback but no, we won't do this to this game.

[devils17]

Re: 2KHS v0.7 (Nov 2019 release)

Nike, you are correct.

I’ll just say if anyone knows anything about modern day NHL, it is lightning fast. Sitting glass level vs upper deck, you can see the speed difference. It’s enormous. Same goes with watching the NFL on TV vs seeing how fast players move in NFL films sideline camera footage.

Good luck to everyone.