Fate of Coyotes decided in 2 decades(?)

[Money99]

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[Majingir]

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Without the $225-million arena management agreement, the Coyotes' future in Arizona would be in jeopardy. In June of 2013, the NHL said went so far as to say the team might move to a different city in time for the 2013-14 season if Glendale did not approve the contract.

If NHL was serious about that and not just making an empty threat to them, then things might actually get interesting for once. If the deal is cancelled, maybe we could get them relocated in time for 2015-2016 season! I mean if they were willing to move them just like that in June 2013 in time for 2013-2014 season...you never know if they might do it for 2015-2016 season under basically same circumstances.

Move Coyotes to Quebec City, bring back the Nordiques, give Jets their history back, Avs give Quebec their history back, it's a win-win!

Quebecs arena to be opened by September 2015:

[slickdtc]

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Winnipeg got the Thrashers really quickly if I recall correctly. Seems possible, as long as the destination is hockey ready.

[Majingir]

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Winnipeg got the Thrashers really quickly if I recall correctly. Seems possible, as long as the destination is hockey ready.

I hope so. I know it's diff leagues,but MLB has said they just need a stadium promise from a city to consider them as an option in the future. NHL has NHL ready arenas in place at multiple cities not just in Quebec City, they should really consider the move.

The Quebec Remparts(in the QMJHL) average just under 10,000 fans per game and will be playing at the very same "Videotron Centre" starting this season. So there's already gonna be hockey at that arena no matter what, it's just a matter of if it'll be just QMJHL or if NHL might come there too.

[Money99]

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Didn't Quebec move to Colorado in June as well?

I'm sure the NHL has contingency plans in place for this sort of thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if a Seattle, KC or QC are on standby specifically for these kinds of scenarios.

[Majingir]

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Didn't Quebec move to Colorado in June as well?

I'm sure the NHL has contingency plans in place for this sort of thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if a Seattle, KC or QC are on standby specifically for these kinds of scenarios.

Unfortunately, that plan might be Vegas seeing how NHL already let them do the whole ticket drive stuff and Vegas is building a new arena. Which is why I'm hoping they'd move the team for 2015-2016 season cause the Vegas arena won't be ready till 2016. The Quebec arena will be ready in 2-3 months and already has things booked for it(Vegas has nothing booked yet,but apparently promised UFC the first event)

Look how long it's taking Vegas to even reach their 10,000 goal. If they let Quebec City do ticket drive,they'll surpass 10,000 so quickly.

The new Vegas arena apparently will hold 17,500 for hockey.Quebecs one will hold about 800 more people. And you know their games will sell out so often. So not only would you have about 800 more people on sell out games,but realistically,lets say Vegas is able to sustain 95% capacity(which I'd still consider a reach). That'd be about 2000 less people than Quebec City.

[slickdtc]

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A pro team in Vegas seems like a really bad idea for fans, but a good deal for corporate sponsorships and all that stuff that actually matters.

Quebec seems like the most logical choice, but we all know the NHL doesn't do logic. The lure of being the first major pro team in LV, with all that new money, is probably too strong for the NHL to make a quick decision to move the Coyotes. But if there's no arena to play in, their hand is forced. So if Quebec is really ready and on standby, they'd have to get it.

[Majingir]

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From wikipedia.....

Atlanta to Winnipeg:
May 16th is when talks were reported to be underway. May 20th is when deal was finalized. May 31st is when deal was announced. It was approved on June 21st.

So if that could happen so quickly,maybe this one could too.

A pro team in Vegas seems like a really bad idea for fans, but a good deal for corporate sponsorships and all that stuff that actually matters.

But if a team is solely reliant on sponsorships, the second the sponsors stop caring, the team is done cause they won't have the fan support to sustain themselves. And you know sponsors WILL jump the second they can. That's what they'll do. Take advantage of the opportunity at the beginning,but once it no longer becomes a new thing,the interest drops,and sponsors drop out eventually too.

Quebec City on the other hand..they have TSN,Sportsnet,CBC in terms of TV channels to be on(meaning they could have 2 or more games a week broadcasted to all of Canada), and whatever sponsors Montreal has,they'll get too.

[Money99]

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Unfortunately, that plan might be Vegas seeing how NHL already let them do the whole ticket drive stuff and Vegas is building a new arena. Which is why I'm hoping they'd move the team for 2015-2016 season cause the Vegas arena won't be ready till 2016. The Quebec arena will be ready in 2-3 months and already has things booked for it(Vegas has nothing booked yet,but apparently promised UFC the first event)

Look how long it's taking Vegas to even reach their 10,000 goal. If they let Quebec City do ticket drive,they'll surpass 10,000 so quickly.

The new Vegas arena apparently will hold 17,500 for hockey.Quebecs one will hold about 800 more people. And you know their games will sell out so often. So not only would you have about 800 more people on sell out games,but realistically,lets say Vegas is able to sustain 95% capacity(which I'd still consider a reach). That'd be about 2000 less people than Quebec City.

I think it all depends on how much the NHL believes it can extort from each team via expansion fee's.

I've heard crazy numbers like $350-$400M for both Vegas and Quebec.
If the NHL truly believes those cities will pony up that kind of cash, then I wonder if the NHL would be willing to give them a 'free' team?
(I'm sure they'd have to pay a relocation fee, but I'd be shocked if it was close to the numbers mentioned).

[redsox4evur]

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I think it all depends on how much the NHL believes it can extort from each team via expansion fee's.

I've heard crazy numbers like $350-$400M for both Vegas and Quebec.
If the NHL truly believes those cities will pony up that kind of cash, then I wonder if the NHL would be willing to give them a 'free' team?
(I'm sure they'd have to pay a relocation fee, but I'd be shocked if it was close to the numbers mentioned).

See those numbers seem right to me. Also I see relocation of FLA, PHX, DAL, TB all more likely to happen over them expanding the league, right now. And the places I see the league going are Vegas, Seattle or QC.

[Majingir]

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Conference wise if they do move,I think NHL would lean more towards a west city just to keep conferences from being too east dominant.

Though NHL should just consider a MLB division format. That way you only truly need 10 west teams,10 east teams. And the remainders would be in the central division.

[Majingir]

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See those numbers seem right to me. Also I see relocation of FLA, PHX, DAL, TB all more likely to happen over them expanding the league, right now. And the places I see the league going are Vegas, Seattle or QC.

Tampas attendance is at least good during winning years(unlike the Rays)

Coyotes even during year they made it to conference finals(and the prior 2 season where they finished with pt% above .600),was bottom of league.

Panthers as well should be moved,Coyotes should leave first,but Panthers should be next up.

Dallas at one point was good attendance wise,though I guess fans got spoiled BIG TIME during their first decade+ in Dallas. Cup in 6th season,and playoff team 12 of first 14 seasons. I think we should just wait and see how their attendance is once they get back to winning again. If they move though,I still wouldn't hate idea of staying in Texas. San Antonio seems to be doing well in AHL attendance wise. Though Mark Cuban might step in if he gets chance and keeps them in Dallas?

[redsox4evur]

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Tampas attendance is at least good during winning years(unlike the Rays)

Coyotes even during year they made it to conference finals(and the prior 2 season where they finished with pt% above .600),was bottom of league.

Panthers as well should be moved,Coyotes should leave first,but Panthers should be next up.

Dallas at one point was good attendance wise,though I guess fans got spoiled BIG TIME during their first decade+ in Dallas. Cup in 6th season,and playoff team 12 of first 14 seasons. I think we should just wait and see how their attendance is once they get back to winning again. If they move though,I still wouldn't hate idea of staying in Texas. San Antonio seems to be doing well in AHL attendance wise. Though Mark Cuban might step in if he gets chance and keeps them in Dallas?

Yea I know there is no chance that Tampa is moving anytime soon. The NHL right now should not expand the league when they have teams in cities where hockey doesn't work. That's why I said what I said and I stand by it. Move those teams to hockey cities and the league will prosper in attendance. And with the owners are making more money, the cap increases, therefore the players can make more money.

[Twenty Four]

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You guys should get your facts straight. Im not sure why anyone has Tampa's name linked to relocating. We have great attendance whether we are winning or not. We finished 13th in 2012-2013 and our attendance was at 99%. Maybe all of you northern hockey elitist have us confused with Florida perhaps, im not sure but you definitely should check your numbers. There's no reason to bring Tampa's name into relocation. And as far as the Rays go (not a rays fan) they need a new stadium. No one goes because of how bad/where the stadium is located. Their TV numbers are always solid.

[redsox4evur]

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You guys should get your facts straight. Im not sure why anyone has Tampa's name linked to relocating. We have great attendance whether we are winning or not. We finished 13th in 2012-2013 and our attendance was at 99%. Maybe all of you northern hockey elitist have us confused with Florida perhaps, im not sure but you definitely should check your numbers. There's no reason to bring Tampa's name into relocation. And as far as the Rays go (not a rays fan) they need a new stadium. No one goes because of how bad/where the stadium is located. Their TV numbers are always solid.

Where did I say they were relocating or the NHL have even had thoughts about it...I said that the league would relocate those teams before expanding. Yes, in hindsight, it was a bad choice to choose them. I was just trying to make a point about relocation over expansion.