OMG ,WHAT A JOKE!!!

[baa7]

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im right and they know it!

Actually, if you stopped huffing and puffing and typing in caps, and bothered to actually read some of the posts here, you'll find out you're entirely wrong. People are reporting that CPU tourney-winning scores are generally in the -20 range, and not "averaging 10 under each round...CONSISTENTLY."

Tourney-winning scores consistently in the -20 and -25 range are still a bit extreme, but at least that gives us cyber golfers a challenge.

[bigal093]

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Actually, if you stopped huffing and puffing and typing in caps, and bothered to actually read some of the posts here, you'll find out you're entirely wrong. People are reporting that CPU tourney-winning scores are generally in the -20 range, and not "averaging 10 under each round...CONSISTENTLY."

Tourney-winning scores consistently in the -20 and -25 range are still a bit extreme, but at least that gives us cyber golfers a challenge.

It is a golf sim........so if it is unrealistic, it is a problem. if you tune all of your stuff down and make it realistic, your attributes go way down, so dont say im trying to beat the cpu, im not, i just dont want to have to make the game easier, to have a chance.

if you needed to score 20 goals a game on NHL, would you say its ok bc its a challenge?

[baa7]

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It is a golf sim........so if it is unrealistic, it is a problem.

-20 is not unrealistic. Every tournament ending with -20 as the winning shot total is unrealistic, yes. But it's unclear if or what the problem is here. Someone said they saw a winning score as high as -13. Someone else said they won with a -24 while Tiger came in second with -22. Neither scenario fits what you're insisting happens every tournament. So for you to go all "OMG!!! What a joke!!! EA Sucks!!!" is, to put it politely, ridiculous.

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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In my next tourney at Doral, I played with putting aids, spin and power boost off on Pro level.

I shot a first-round 80 (+8) - I didn't realize that the putting aids helped me out that much!!!!

Anyway, the leader finished his first round at -7. I am in last place of course, but there seem to be a lot more players over par. In fact, there are several people who shot +7 in the first round, so I am not too far away from a lot of the field.

[Zalf]

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I think the consistent thing is the inconsistency. Started my season tonight. I am playing on Tour Pro(side note: does anyone know how to set/change the course conditions? I am assuming it is random but the first tournament was from the blue tees with average green speed. I really want blacks and very fast to be the norm.) I am playing 2 and 3 round settings.

First tournament; so the game should have no average to tune the AI to; when I tee off there are several players already at 5-6 under after 9 or fewer holes. Due to the easy setup and get off to a fast start and the field keeps up. I end up -11. There are 3 at -10 and 3 at -9. Second round the best the -10s and -9s did was -6. 2 -9s were the best AI scores. I win by one.

Second tournament when I tee off the best score is -2 after 9 holes. Still easy conditions so I start putting up birdies. Field ends up with one -9 and -8s while I shoot -10. Second round the wind picked up and was 20 plus on most holes. Once I tied off in the second round I was already 5 shots down. Someone that shot -5 in the first round shot a -11 for the clubhouse lead. The field stayed around -5 with the -10 being several strokes better than any other AI player.

So a lot of randomness. The randomness is great. I just can't figure out where the AI scores are coming from. It does look like I will have to average -8 to -9 to win tournaments. I won the first two tournaments by one stroke and a tee where the win went to me. So however the AI is deciding how to score it is making for really tight tournaments. I am a little worried about what will happen if I can get the greens where I want them because I won't be averaging -8 then.

[Dalsanto0026]

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And tell me who in the world shoots 30 under? Listen to yourself, geez. So you've got a great challenge on your hands. Be happy about it.

That's a dumb comment. You're missing the point, he wants a realistic challenge not a birdie fest! There are too many people on these boards defending the glaringly bad -let's cater for kids -ai in this game on the PS3 and 360.

[RealmK]

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It sounds like maybe the computer scores adjust to the users score. If you shoot -20, they will shoot -30. If you shoot par, they will shoot -5 or something.

My assumption at least from what I am reading is that people who jack up their players and shoot superhuman scores and those that are keeping their own player a little more realsitic are swwing more realistic scoring.

If this is the case, I see what EA was trying to do, but they still need to offer sliders to adjust this. If someone wants to develop their player so much they can destroy the field by shooting in the 40's or 50's each round, then let them. If another player wants to keep things realistic and shoot close to par on a tough course and try and keep pace with the field then they should be able to as well.

The fact that one group has to adjust for a game made for the others just seems lazy on EA's part.

It seems it would be common sense for EA to offer two AI scoring options in the career mode.

-Realistic: which would offer close to realistic scores for a given course. Regardless if you shoot a 10 over or a 30 under the computer is going to shoot what it is going to shoot. The scores on the leaderboard are mutually exclusive of your player

-Competitive: which would keep tournaments competitive by having the scores adapt to your scoring, your handicap or maybe just your ratings. If you are averaging -48, the computer will adjust it's score to still make the tournaments stay tough. You will see leaders in the -40's or -50's. However if you are averaging +10. The scores would again adapt and you may see the leader at +5 or something.

I can honestly see people wanting to play it both ways. I know if I play a great round of tough golf, I want to be rewarded properly for it. However, if my player becomes too good and I dominate, it's no fun to walk away with every tournament without having any pressure shots.

I don't see that being the case in my experience. I'll shoot 5 under and the ai will shoot 20 under consistantly, no matter the particular event or weather conditions. This to me is gamebreaking. I don't mind a challenge at all, its not even having a chance that bothers me.

[bigal093]

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-20 is not unrealistic. Every tournament ending with -20 as the winning shot total is unrealistic, yes. But it's unclear if or what the problem is here. Someone said they saw a winning score as high as -13. Someone else said they won with a -24 while Tiger came in second with -22. Neither scenario fits what you're insisting happens every tournament. So for you to go all "OMG!!! What a joke!!! EA Sucks!!!" is, to put it politely, ridiculous.

Look your missing the point. IF -13 is the highest score of like 80 people, then something is wrong....in real life the highest might be what even, +2.... i mean c'mon, its like 15 strokes off......that -13 might have been a major too, which would then make it very unrealistic. my rant is completely justified. if it averages around -20 then thats not real either... in real life it probably averages like -3 for the winner.....so we are still looking at about 15-17 strokes off. It is ridiculous. on the thing where they show you how the other people did, it usually averages about .5 strokes under par FOR THE WHOLE FIELD. when in the world does a whole field of golfers avg. under par on any hole......this has happened to me many times. I have the right to be mad. even if they fix the scoring, then i will have terrible ratings because you have to go beyond breaking course records to keep a 9 at something. 90-99% FIR......are you kidding me?!?.....80-90% GIR....really?!?

tiger is a 12 putting rating in the game. do you really think he avg. 1 putt per green in real life....no, if he did, he'd probably win every tourney he enters. the whole system is off.......what they need to do is rework the whole system for next year. bring back the old ratings and keep the rating system where its based off performance. then they really need to tone down that, and the scores.

listen, it is all about realism, given its a golf sim. if it were called EA sports arcade golf, then this would be fine....but it is a sports simulation. meaning i want to have a fun, REALISTIC time. if a player in real life shot what they did in the game, they would win every tourney by like 10 strokes....how do you possibly justify a golf sim, making the game off by about 15 strokes(-20 avg)??? if it is challenge, that is wrong. the challeng we want, is to make it a challenge to shoot under par in the open....to really have to work and play perfect to shoot that -5 for the day....then feel great about it, feel like the pros.....not look at your score and say ahh what a great -40....that is insane....what do you think tiger would say, or any golfer for that matter, about these scores....i dont care if it happens rarely, -40 should never happen. -20 once in a while, but consistently....that is terrible....your argument has no validity and your just trying to spin a -13 and say ohh look -13 under....that is a high score for real life, and its the absolute lowest in the game?!?!?!? how do you standing up for this? and as far as EA, i buy a lot of their games given i love sports. i have no choice other than nothing at all.....they ruin a lot of games. almost every game has a gamekiller if not 2 or 3.....this is definately one.

[DivotMaker]

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It is a golf sim........so if it is unrealistic, it is a problem. if you tune all of your stuff down and make it realistic, your attributes go way down, so dont say im trying to beat the cpu, im not, i just dont want to have to make the game easier, to have a chance.

if you needed to score 20 goals a game on NHL, would you say its ok bc its a challenge?

I just finished my first Season event at Pinehurst and beat Tiger with a -24 to -22 score play TOUR Pro. In TW09, I would have won this event by 10 strokes. I am now playing the next event at Torrey Pines and I am -24 after 3 rounds. My first round was accidently played on Amateur as I use that difficulty level to try to finish Tournament Challenge. Second position after 3 rounds is Trevor Immelman at -15. I do not see what is so unrealistic about this.....

And your hockey goal analogy is so flawed, I do not know where to begin....

[starship]

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The all-time record for low score under par is -31: http://golf.about.com/od/progolftour...oring72par.htm

And only 1 player has ever done that, so I don't want to see any -40 being shot by anyone-human or computer. -20 is believeable but is a very, very good score and should only happen occasionally. Most PGA events are won with scores between -10 and -20. Of course, the Majors are much higher in score and should always be played with the most difficult course conditions. To do any different damages my ability to 'suspend my disbelief' and makes it hard for me to enjoy the experience. Naturally, your milage may vary.

[pskepsilon]

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I just finished my first Season event at Pinehurst and beat Tiger with a -24 to -22 score play TOUR Pro. In TW09, I would have won this event by 10 strokes. I am now playing the next event at Torrey Pines and I am -24 after 3 rounds. My first round was accidently played on Amateur as I use that difficulty level to try to finish Tournament Challenge. Second position after 3 rounds is Trevor Immelman at -15. I do not see what is so unrealistic about this.....

Really? You don't see what's unrealistic about people posting scores 20-25 under par at courses like Torrey Pines and Pinehurst No. 2?

Come on, now...at Pinehurst the last two winners at the U.S. Open were -1 and even par, respectively. Tiger won last year at Torrey Pines with a -1 through 72. I know the courses are made tougher for the majors, but not 20+ strokes tougher.

And for what it's worth, it WOULD be more realistic if you had won by 10 strokes shooting a -24 at Pinehurst. Using this line of reasoning, you would seem to be claiming that Tiger Woods' 15-stroke victory at the 2000 U.S. Open would be "unrealistic." I guess it was in the sense that it was unprecedented, but that's kind of the point: if you shoot a ridiculous tournament of golf, the CPU golfers shouldn't magically be able to come close to matching you.

[DivotMaker]

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Really? You don't see what's unrealistic about people posting scores 20-25 under par at courses like Torrey Pines and Pinehurst No. 2?

Come on, now...at Pinehurst the last two winners at the U.S. Open were -1 and even par, respectively. Tiger won last year at Torrey Pines with a -1 through 72. I know the courses are made tougher for the majors, but not 20+ strokes tougher.

And for what it's worth, it WOULD be more realistic if you had won by 10 strokes shooting a -24 at Pinehurst. Using this line of reasoning, you would seem to be claiming that Tiger Woods' 15-stroke victory at the 2000 U.S. Open would be "unrealistic." I guess it was in the sense that it was unprecedented, but that's kind of the point: if you shoot a ridiculous tournament of golf, the CPU golfers shouldn't magically be able to come close to matching you.

For a video game, no. I played the Live Tournament at Bethpage yesterday with Grids off and over 4 rounds was +22. That was more frustrating than rewarding. Somewhere in between the two scores would be about right in tough conditions....

[MrArlingtonBeach]

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One more tourney down...

I finished the WGC-CA event at Doral last night, shooting 80-70-71-68 (+1). This was on Pro mode with no boost, spin or putting aids.

The winner was, once again, Tiger Woods, who has won 3 of the 5 events so far (I won one and Sergio Garcia won the other).

The scary thing is...his score-to-beat was -32 (the lowest 4-round total I have seen thus far). This was mostly due to his third and fourth round performances, in which he shot 61 and 63, respectively.

On the positive side...the second place finisher, Rocco Mediate, was 12 strokes behind (-20); a score that is not too far fetched.

So I am not sure if this tourney is a case of the game making Tiger that much better than anyone else or just a freak occurance.

[bcjones]

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How is it that the PGA Tour Golf on the Genesis got the tournament scoring right? But Tiger 2010 cant? Now,I remember why I enjoy
the PC games so much!!! I've been a "cyber golfer" since 1991 (Lee Trevino's Fighting Golf) and it's sad that the "tournament experience"
in today's game is no better than it was 18 years ago. Its also sucks knowing that a slider would solve this problem. Club tuning is great and adds a lot to the sim experience. Why not got the extra mile and add tournament A.I. tuning. I know why I steered clear of the Tiger console games the last few years.

[baa7]

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So I am not sure if this tourney is a case of the game making Tiger that much better than anyone else or just a freak occurance.

In the PC version (TW 08), he's programmed to perform at a much higher level than anyone else. If you max out his abilites -- you can edit CPU player abilities in the PC version -- and also max out everyone else's abilites and then play a season, he'll win every event by 10 to 15 strokes and with scores in the -40 to -45 range.