GT4 review.

[Medway]

Re: GT4 review.

Now that I've run a few races I have to agree it's certainly not a driving simulator. However, it's just a game and a damn fun one at that. I play games to have fun myself. If total realism is the ultimate goal one might consider taking up the real sport. I may get flamed for that and I'm just making a general statement here but while realism is a factor in games, fun certainly overrides it.

All that having been said............I do wish the cars weren't indestructuble...
anyway, back to the fun.

Did you turn the driving aids off? I've heard reports of people who do race cars who say they were very impressed in how close it was.

[Medway]

Re: GT4 review.

Now that I've run a few races I have to agree it's certainly not a driving simulator. However, it's just a game and a damn fun one at that. I play games to have fun myself. If total realism is the ultimate goal one might consider taking up the real sport. I may get flamed for that and I'm just making a general statement here but while realism is a factor in games, fun certainly overrides it.

All that having been said............I do wish the cars weren't indestructuble...
anyway, back to the fun.

Did you turn the driving aids off? I've heard reports of people who do race cars who say they were very impressed in how close it was.

[Erv]

Re: GT4 review.

All right pk500 i'm going to be the bigger man here and let this die rather than continue to argue minutae with you. I feel like that is the smarter decision. Any gameplay improvements I list will be countered by you with some complaint you have with the game.

I will resign myself to not being able to read a GT post on this board without your snide comments and read posts about the game elsewhere.

It would be nice if you could let people discuss a game we enjoy without you pissing on every thread but I guess that is too much to ask. Shine on, brother, go beat down Gran Turismo fans everywhere to your little heart's content.

Take care,
DW

I agree, I don't see why he worries about GT when Forza has everything he's looking for.

[Erv]

Re: GT4 review.

All right pk500 i'm going to be the bigger man here and let this die rather than continue to argue minutae with you. I feel like that is the smarter decision. Any gameplay improvements I list will be countered by you with some complaint you have with the game.

I will resign myself to not being able to read a GT post on this board without your snide comments and read posts about the game elsewhere.

It would be nice if you could let people discuss a game we enjoy without you pissing on every thread but I guess that is too much to ask. Shine on, brother, go beat down Gran Turismo fans everywhere to your little heart's content.

Take care,
DW

I agree, I don't see why he worries about GT when Forza has everything he's looking for.

[Skyboxer]

Re: GT4 review.

There was no need for this thread theres already one thats 7pages long. Why make this just to give pk more to talk about? We've heard everything he has to say.

The game got the score because it still has solid gamplay and has alot of depth. Get over it already.

Solid gameplay with weak AI???? That makes ZERO sense.

[Skyboxer]

Re: GT4 review.

There was no need for this thread theres already one thats 7pages long. Why make this just to give pk more to talk about? We've heard everything he has to say.

The game got the score because it still has solid gamplay and has alot of depth. Get over it already.

Solid gameplay with weak AI???? That makes ZERO sense.

[mgoblue]

Re: GT4 review.

Now that I've run a few races I have to agree it's certainly not a driving simulator. However, it's just a game and a damn fun one at that. I play games to have fun myself. If total realism is the ultimate goal one might consider taking up the real sport. I may get flamed for that and I'm just making a general statement here but while realism is a factor in games, fun certainly overrides it.

All that having been said............I do wish the cars weren't indestructuble...
anyway, back to the fun.

I play games for fun too, but realism tends to be part of the fun...try telling all the fans of football games to quit bitching and take up playing real football when they complain about unrealistic parts of the games...

I haven't played a GT game in years, so I have no comment on any of these discussions, but it is legit to criticize a game for realism, especially if it touts itself as a simulator.

I do agree with you in concept though. A lot of times people let the search for realism (sliders, bug searching, insessant testing of games) ruin the fun.

Enjoy GT, I'll probably rent it eventually and see what all the fuss is all about. What killed it as a purchase for me is the lack of Live play, I've got too many games to play right now as it is, and I spend a lot of my gaming time online against other OS'ers, so this lost the playtime battle as of now. I think GT4 with online racing would be amazing, the computer AI wouldn't matter.

[mgoblue]

Re: GT4 review.

Now that I've run a few races I have to agree it's certainly not a driving simulator. However, it's just a game and a damn fun one at that. I play games to have fun myself. If total realism is the ultimate goal one might consider taking up the real sport. I may get flamed for that and I'm just making a general statement here but while realism is a factor in games, fun certainly overrides it.

All that having been said............I do wish the cars weren't indestructuble...
anyway, back to the fun.

I play games for fun too, but realism tends to be part of the fun...try telling all the fans of football games to quit bitching and take up playing real football when they complain about unrealistic parts of the games...

I haven't played a GT game in years, so I have no comment on any of these discussions, but it is legit to criticize a game for realism, especially if it touts itself as a simulator.

I do agree with you in concept though. A lot of times people let the search for realism (sliders, bug searching, insessant testing of games) ruin the fun.

Enjoy GT, I'll probably rent it eventually and see what all the fuss is all about. What killed it as a purchase for me is the lack of Live play, I've got too many games to play right now as it is, and I spend a lot of my gaming time online against other OS'ers, so this lost the playtime battle as of now. I think GT4 with online racing would be amazing, the computer AI wouldn't matter.

[injunwal]

Re: GT4 review.

It may not be the best game when it comes to racing but it sure is addicting and fun IMO. I popped it in last night and next thing you know it is 3 hours later. I am still shocked at the visuals Polyphony was able to get out of the PS2. The upscanned 1080i mode is just awesome looking

[injunwal]

Re: GT4 review.

It may not be the best game when it comes to racing but it sure is addicting and fun IMO. I popped it in last night and next thing you know it is 3 hours later. I am still shocked at the visuals Polyphony was able to get out of the PS2. The upscanned 1080i mode is just awesome looking

[pk500]

Re: GT4 review.

I agree, I don't see why he worries about GT when Forza has everything he's looking for.

Uh, because maybe I care that the GT series evolves for the sake of PS2 owners everywhere, as I've stated numerous times in this thread?

Apathy is a dangerous thing.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: GT4 review.

I agree, I don't see why he worries about GT when Forza has everything he's looking for.

Uh, because maybe I care that the GT series evolves for the sake of PS2 owners everywhere, as I've stated numerous times in this thread?

Apathy is a dangerous thing.

Take care,
PK

[blacklover]

Re: GT4 review.

I think Fossen said it best so far. It is a car game not so much a racing game. Along those lines, it does quite well.

I enjoy taking different cars out on the tracks and just seeing how low of a time I can post. Racing the generated ghost of myself is quite fun as well. I will admit there are shortcomings to the races themselves, due to the shabby opposing racer AI and yes, it is a crime that that has not been addressed by PD, but I remember from past GT's that the difficulty level increases as you play. Meaning even if the AI is shoddy they start putting up more of a fight as you progress. In past GT's I remember having quite a lot of tough races even with the strict adhere to the race line AI.

I think elevation on the tracks has been wonderfully represented and I remember driving in GT3 in a tricked out supra on a track whose name I forget there was always a section that I bottomed out on and it was just a really cool thing. Well, it's that same feeling but magnified. Hard to explain, but there it is.

I also like the way all of the cars feel different (based on the ones I have driven so far). Upgrades tweak the car nicely. I wish you could choose any car paint color at a custom paintshop. I also wish you could buy "blackmarket" items that could possibly fail and or damage your car or make your car amazing.

I wish you could customise the cars you race against. Kind of a bizarre thought, but if you could pimp them out similarly to your own car that would be pretty hot.

Braking and the overall feel of car weight in the game seems to be much improved over GT3. The car's move weight around when braking the best of the series so far, you can feel the weight lean out over the corners of the car if you break hard while turning.

The tracks of course are as glorious as ever, and having nurburgring so wonderfully represented is nothing short of fantastic. Also the inclusion of the highest number of real tracks in GT that I can remember is quite nice.

Truthfully, sure I wish the AI was better, but there are plenty of modes to drive in the game that counter the rigid AI.

I also wish that you could test drive any car on a track without having to purchase it.

Another addition that would be great would be selectable race conditions. Night race at nurburring in the rain would be terrifying, but I want a piece of that.

[blacklover]

Re: GT4 review.

I think Fossen said it best so far. It is a car game not so much a racing game. Along those lines, it does quite well.

I enjoy taking different cars out on the tracks and just seeing how low of a time I can post. Racing the generated ghost of myself is quite fun as well. I will admit there are shortcomings to the races themselves, due to the shabby opposing racer AI and yes, it is a crime that that has not been addressed by PD, but I remember from past GT's that the difficulty level increases as you play. Meaning even if the AI is shoddy they start putting up more of a fight as you progress. In past GT's I remember having quite a lot of tough races even with the strict adhere to the race line AI.

I think elevation on the tracks has been wonderfully represented and I remember driving in GT3 in a tricked out supra on a track whose name I forget there was always a section that I bottomed out on and it was just a really cool thing. Well, it's that same feeling but magnified. Hard to explain, but there it is.

I also like the way all of the cars feel different (based on the ones I have driven so far). Upgrades tweak the car nicely. I wish you could choose any car paint color at a custom paintshop. I also wish you could buy "blackmarket" items that could possibly fail and or damage your car or make your car amazing.

I wish you could customise the cars you race against. Kind of a bizarre thought, but if you could pimp them out similarly to your own car that would be pretty hot.

Braking and the overall feel of car weight in the game seems to be much improved over GT3. The car's move weight around when braking the best of the series so far, you can feel the weight lean out over the corners of the car if you break hard while turning.

The tracks of course are as glorious as ever, and having nurburgring so wonderfully represented is nothing short of fantastic. Also the inclusion of the highest number of real tracks in GT that I can remember is quite nice.

Truthfully, sure I wish the AI was better, but there are plenty of modes to drive in the game that counter the rigid AI.

I also wish that you could test drive any car on a track without having to purchase it.

Another addition that would be great would be selectable race conditions. Night race at nurburring in the rain would be terrifying, but I want a piece of that.

[pk500]

Re: GT4 review.

It may not be the best game when it comes to racing but it sure is addicting and fun IMO. I popped it in last night and next thing you know it is 3 hours later. I am still shocked at the visuals Polyphony was able to get out of the PS2. The upscanned 1080i mode is just awesome looking

An honest answer without claims that I'm "pissing on the game."

Glad you're enjoying GT 4 for what it is, Injun. That's very cool!

Take care,
PK