Sony PSVITA Discussion

[mestevo]

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On GameFAQS and the official forums other games have been mentioned as well as the suspend/hard freeze issue, Madden is just the most popular.

This guy kinda sums it up: http://community.us.playstation.com/...ht/true#M23603

Even if the problem is only for people with 1st generation vitas, it still is a problem with the 3.50 update. Everyone was fine before the 3.50 update. I should not have to buy a Vita Slim to play the games I was playing before on the original version of the vita. Games like Madden 13, Deadmans Cross, Muramusa, Atelier Rorona Plus and FootBall Manager 2014 are just some of the games people mentioned are having the problems with the vita shutting down. Tried customer support. They think it is a hardware problem. I just don't see how that can be the case when so many of us are having the same problem.

There might just be so few Vita owners playing these games on an original Vita (newer vita errors don't seem as frequently reported as an issue w/ 3.5) that there aren't enough people to really complain about it to get it fixed.

[GlennN]

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Sony can't hold back the system because a publisher decides it can't keep a game current.

Yes and no. In theory, that could have been done. Had Sony offered the firmware update, but provided notice that some games may no longer work, I would have compared the benefits (what was being changed) against the risks (losing the use of some games). I was not provided any notice, so I did the update. I am not even aware what was improved with the update, so I would say I would not have done the update had I known. Really, the fix is incredibly simple - Sony just has to make it possible to undo the firmware update.

[erickonasis]

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As much as I agree with you. My only question is this:

Hasn't Sony all but abandoned the Vita so was the update worth it? Obviously it only screwed up one game that we know of but its not to say there aren't more out there.

I may try to play an old version of MLB The Show and see if it messed with older versions.

Its not just one game actually. Just not enough to make waves over

[Burns11]

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Yes and no. In theory, that could have been done. Had Sony offered the firmware update, but provided notice that some games may no longer work, I would have compared the benefits (what was being changed) against the risks (losing the use of some games). I was not provided any notice, so I did the update. I am not even aware what was improved with the update, so I would say I would not have done the update had I known. Really, the fix is incredibly simple - Sony just has to make it possible to undo the firmware update.

It's not Sony's responsibility to test every game to make sure it works and to make system software around whatever flaws happen to be in games. If that was the case nothing would ever be updated, not consoles, not computers, not smartphones.

[mestevo]

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It's not Sony's responsibility to test every game to make sure it works and to make system software around whatever flaws happen to be in games. If that was the case nothing would ever be updated, not consoles, not computers, not smartphones.

The Vita has gone from 2.0 all the way to 3.5 with more than 20 firmware updates since Madden 13 was released and in that time and just this latest one broke the title (and other titles, and the suspend functionality). Why do you assume this is a Madden problem?

[erickonasis]

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It's not Sony's responsibility to test every game to make sure it works and to make system software around whatever flaws happen to be in games. If that was the case nothing would ever be updated, not consoles, not computers, not smartphones.

So if thats the case SONY should stop selling it since it no longer works on the system

[Burns11]

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It's not every game. If this was every game, or even the majority, I would say Sony needs to fix the firmware, but it's not. If just a handful of games out of the whole library has issues, then something those games do is out of line. Sony can't be responsible for making sure every game works. If Madden has an issue that didn't crash the Vita, but was still an issue, is it Sony's responsibility to work around that or is it EA's responsibility? Should Sony just not improve remote play simply because EA can't keep Madden in line?

[Blzer]

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So if thats the case SONY should stop selling it since it no longer works on the system

You make a good point. If Madden 13 is available in the PSN store, how would Sony respond to a phone call or e-mail of somebody claiming they made their purchase after the 3.50 update and demanded a refund?

Maybe one of us should try this out, heh.

[mestevo]

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It's not every game. If this was every game, or even the majority, I would say Sony needs to fix the firmware, but it's not. If just a handful of games out of the whole library has issues, then something those games do is out of line. Sony can't be responsible for making sure every game works. If Madden has an issue that didn't crash the Vita, but was still an issue, is it Sony's responsibility to work around that or is it EA's responsibility? Should Sony just not improve remote play simply because EA can't keep Madden in line?

They're responsible for providing a stable platform, think it's been proven that this stability update doesn't hold up to that name. If multiple titles and console features stop working properly that were otherwise stable for going on 3 years until the platform's most recent update... then yeah that's a problem with the platform/OS. Perhaps some lesser used call or endpoint was broken, garbage collection or memory cleanup isn't working properly causing a memory leak or other corruption... something. The Vita multitasks so the OS that was just updated is running too.

It's Sony's responsibility to provide a basic level of stability and performance on the platform, which is then built on. It's pretty clear that there's something rotten with the update, and different games will react (or not) differently to that... which is why 'it's not every game'. How you put this on Madden specifically I don't understand... especially when there are even console-level features broken with this update further demonstrating the problems.

Edit: Basically, if Sony decides to open up 30% more memory, it has to provide a way for these older titles to gracefully fail, not tell developers a game they worked on 3-4 years ago needs a patch.

[Burns11]

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If the problem is specific to an extremely small minority of games, then it's up to the game to fall in line with the updated firmware, Sony shouldn't hold back firmware updates that improve the system just because a publisher isn't willing to update a game.

[GlennN]

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If the problem is specific to an extremely small minority of games, then it's up to the game to fall in line with the updated firmware, Sony shouldn't hold back firmware updates that improve the system just because a publisher isn't willing to update a game.

I couldn't disagree more. We are not talking about a generic format/device, like a CD or DVD, which could be played on multiple devices. We are talking about a product built for a specific device. Sony licenses the games to appear on the Vita, no? The package bears the Vita name, which cannot be done without Sony's authorization. Heck, my Vita box displays several Vita games, INCLUDING MADDEN. So, the problem is not significant, or Sony's fault because it only impacts four or five games? How many would make it Sony's problem? 10? 100? The bottom line is they took a product that was marketed, BY SONY ITSELF, to work on my Vita, and made it not work on my Vita. There is no way this is not Sony's problem. If the update was needed to enable Remote Play, then fine, tell me that and let me choose. Sony doesn't have the right to just change their system to make games no longer work.

[erickonasis]

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I couldn't disagree more. We are not talking about a generic format/device, like a CD or DVD, which could be played on multiple devices. We are talking about a product built for a specific device. Sony licenses the games to appear on the Vita, no? The package bears the Vita name, which cannot be done without Sony's authorization. Heck, my Vita box displays several Vita games, INCLUDING MADDEN. So, the problem is not significant, or Sony's fault because it only impacts four or five games? How many would make it Sony's problem? 10? 100? The bottom line is they took a product that was marketed, BY SONY ITSELF, to work on my Vita, and made it not work on my Vita. There is no way this is not Sony's problem. If the update was needed to enable Remote Play, then fine, tell me that and let me choose. Sony doesn't have the right to just change their system to make games no longer work.

Amen brother ...Amen

[dewjo]

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Went ahead and ordered what mestevo posted above from Play-asia . Hoping this solves the missing R2/L2 trigger buttons for remote play with the vita:

http://www.play-asia.com/l2r2-button...n-70-8qs3.html

Looks like this is delayed at Play-Asia but saw this on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAH2Cqc950

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6_2i5Ynh4

[jct32]

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Looks like this is delayed at Play-Asia but saw this on YouTube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkAH2Cqc950

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6_2i5Ynh4

Those are awesome but I have the original Vita. Am I out of luck?

[dewjo]

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Those are awesome but I have the original Vita. Am I out of luck?

For now I would say yes based on this interview I found with the maker of the product. Apparently it wouldn't be hard to make for the original Vita but looks like they'll only do it if the sales for this version justify it.

http://hackinformer.com/2015/05/07/i...ita-l2r2-grip/