Xbox One

**VTPack919** · 09-10-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by TracerBullet

Well it's being used that way already just going by the articles he cited. I've never actually heard anyone mentioning their ads changing based on what's being said/done with their Kinect on now that I think of it.

But yeah, I remember it was a big deal when people were thinking they were going to limit the number of people who could watch a PPV on their Xbox if the Kinect sensed too many people in the room back during the DRM stuff.

I think I just need to pay attention more. I think I read in here that the Kinect wouldn't "spy" on people, even though it was always on. I just took that comment for face value.

I would; however, consider this a form of "spying".

**kingkilla56** · 09-10-2013, 02:36 PM

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I see the videogame DRM was only a part of the always on movement they were trying to sell.

Always on would be gold for these advertisers.

**mestevo** · 09-10-2013, 03:00 PM

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Like the PS4 it is going to be always on unless you explicitly turn it off. Just in some form of standby waiting for input.

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**trobinson97** · 09-10-2013, 03:31 PM

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Originally posted by VTPack919

I think I just need to pay attention more. I think I read in here that the Kinect wouldn't "spy" on people, even though it was always on. I just took that comment for face value.

I would; however, consider this a form of "spying".

Yeah, people were saying that in response to others saying it would be used to spy on you. Those original posters were pretty much shouted down as paranoid conspiracy theorists. After rumors about the Xbone started coming out in earnest a large amount of the conversation in this thread dealt with potential privacy concerns. We got responses from defenders ranging from people are just being paranoid to people shouldn't care about privacy because they have cell phones to people just want to be stuck in the dark ages.

We didn't have specific info on how they would do it at the time, but people have been talking about this in general for a while now. This article is just dealing more with the specifics of the same general conversation. That the Xbone would be used to spy on you was a given for a lot of us.

Originally posted by p_rushing

Obviously you have missed the mentions of restricted use PPV and other purchase media where it will not let you view it with more than the user limit in the room.

This doesn't have anything to do with gaming. I'm fine with using kinect in gaming as you are using it during the game and when the game is over, it ends. These articles are saying it will not end there. It will continue to monitor you as long as it has power. You are paying them to monitor you. Its not like other technology where you can turn those features off.

Its one thing if they are giving you something in exchange for giving up your privacy, but as it appears now, you are paying Microsoft for the system, being charged for Live, and giving Microsoft all your valuable marketing information.

Microsoft can then take that info and market stuff to you. They also could sell that info and make even more money off it to other companies. There are a ton of companies that would love a camera in your house 24/7.

That was posted back in February.

**mestevo** · 09-10-2013, 04:27 PM

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I'd be more concerned about that article if all of the 'scary' quotes didn't come from articles more than a year old about technology they're already using.

This is sophisticated technology that's been used to allow people to participate in two polls and letting people say 'Xbox Tweet' and 'Xbox More' to share and find out more about an ad.

Fancy.

**TheBuddyHobbs** · 09-10-2013, 07:03 PM

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After everything that Microsoft has tried to pull I'm just amazed people still defend them.

**NaturalSelected** · 09-10-2013, 07:13 PM

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Originally posted by TheBuddyHobbs

After everything that Microsoft has tried to pull I'm just amazed people still defend them.

If you believe any corporation has your back (they don't) since they are concerned with something other than profits (they aren't)....then I'm amazed.

Pick your console on features. The corporations aren't your friends.

**bigfnjoe96** · 09-10-2013, 07:17 PM

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Must be slow on the XB-1 front

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**TracerBullet** · 09-10-2013, 07:44 PM

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Originally posted by bigfnjoe96

Must be slow on the XB-1 front

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Slowing down on both ends for the most part. Sony had some Vita stuff that was nice and Microsoft had the SmartGlass stuff which was also nice. But after announcing the release date there's not too much going on. I'm ready for these things to come out so the ignorant fans on both sides will shut up more (not talking about on this site) and be too busy playing their games to post.

**Novicain13** · 09-10-2013, 08:57 PM

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So I looked on amazon and see that the release date for watch dogs on the xb1 is the 19th and for the ps4 it is the 12th. So will games be out before the consoles hit stores?

**TracerBullet** · 09-10-2013, 10:08 PM

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Originally posted by Novicain13

So I looked on amazon and see that the release date for watch dogs on the xb1 is the 19th and for the ps4 it is the 12th. So will games be out before the consoles hit stores?

Yep, I believe they did that last console generation too.

**p_rushing** · 09-10-2013, 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by trobinson97

Yeah, people were saying that in response to others saying it would be used to spy on you. Those original posters were pretty much shouted down as paranoid conspiracy theorists. After rumors about the Xbone started coming out in earnest a large amount of the conversation in this thread dealt with potential privacy concerns. We got responses from defenders ranging from people are just being paranoid to people shouldn't care about privacy because they have cell phones to people just want to be stuck in the dark ages.

We didn't have specific info on how they would do it at the time, but people have been talking about this in general for a while now. This article is just dealing more with the specifics of the same general conversation. That the Xbone would be used to spy on you was a given for a lot of us.

That was posted back in February.

Yep I posted that and that is really only the tip of the iceberg. MS could do a lot of great things, but the profit will make them do a lot of spying and there really is nothing stopping them as they will never openly tell you. Unless you are inside MS working on it or have access to the contracts with the other companies buying the data, you won't know.

The amount of money MS could make from this, they should be offering 1 free Xbox 1 per address including Xbox live.

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**mestevo** · 09-11-2013, 12:05 AM

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The risk to the company, to stockholders, the potential for mandatory monitoring and regulation if not outright bans in some territories that accompanies that type of violation if found doing some of the things you are suggesting, there's too much risk in the 'oh they could do a bunch of stuff and never tell anyone' arguments many of you suggest.

I'm not defending the rhetoric, there's some pie in the sky ideas around NUads, but then after saying all of that they let you vote on a question while viewing a video with Kinect, and let you say 'Xbox Tweet' to share the experience - which was then heralded as a success by standard advertising metrics. Both things that had to be explicitly opened from an ad in the least obtrusive spot on the 360 dashboard that could have just as easily been ignored.

I just don't see the FUD coming true in this case.

**dubplate** · 09-11-2013, 08:28 AM

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Originally posted by Boltman

Curious as to OSers thoughts on this.

Kinect’s Killer App isn’t for Gamers; It’s for Advertisers. Welcome to the Age of NUad.

F that. Once again MS shows their true colors. They're really making my decision to stick with a PS4 easier and easier.

**BobbyColtrane** · 09-11-2013, 09:31 AM

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Honestly I just want to play video games. I don't want to tweet stuff, post it to facebook, interact with advertisements, or have a little camera hooked up to my console that records what i do, and when my heart beats faster. I have a bunch of other devices that can connect with Netflix and everything else.

I just want to play flipping video games. If these resources were devoted to making higher quality games instead of figuring out how to leverage every last penny out of me, I would be far happier and maybe we'd have a good football game.

I just want video games. What is so difficult about that??

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