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  • LowerWolf
    Hall Of Fame
    • Jun 2006
    • 12268

    #406
    Re: Xbox 720

    So the game companies have no problem raising prices of games, filling games with advertisements, releasing buggy games and patching them later, releasing part of a game and selling other parts later as DLC.

    But if I want to buy or sell a used game, that's a problem?

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    • TracerBullet
      One Last Job
      • Jun 2009
      • 22119

      #407
      Re: Xbox 720

      Originally posted by Altimus
      The whole tying games to a console isn't a big deal to me. It sucks but what can you do...

      Being online 100% of the time is. So if I'm home and my Internet goes out or XBL goes out I can't play?
      That's the main problem here imo. Especially when just last week, Live wouldn't let some accounts (including mine) online for a few hours do to a problem with their network. I just played some NHL while it got fixed instead.

      If Xbox did go with the no-used games policy, I would hope they would have Steam-like sales and possibly even rentals. Definitely would not care at that point.
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      • mestevo
        Gooney Goo Goo
        • Apr 2010
        • 19556

        #408
        Re: Xbox 720

        Yeah we're missing the positives with the negatives, will I be able to stream Xbox games to my PC, how much more will Smart Glass be able to do, etc. Reasons that an Xbox might have to be connected all of the time... but out of context could be why it's being suggested as a requirement to use it at all.

        The DRM could be a capability, but not a requirement, also.

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        • DanH35
          Rookie
          • Feb 2003
          • 2324

          #409
          Re: Xbox 720

          Originally posted by Cubfan
          I just don't want to believe any of this. Do EA and Ubisoft or Activision have that kind of push to block used games on the next xbox and playstation? They really would be biting the hand that feeds them.
          It's sad, but the publishers probably do have that kind of power. Remember, EA basically made Microsoft stop making all of their sports games in order for them to get EA Sports games on the original Xbox. Do you think if Activison said to either Microsoft or Sony that if you don't allow used games, you get Call of Duty as a console exclusive that they wouldn't do it?

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          • DaveDQ
            13
            • Sep 2003
            • 7664

            #410
            Re: Xbox 720

            I like what is in these rumors. These companies have to evolve and change with trending technologies. TV and cable did the same thing. Some act like they resent an internet connection, like the last thing they would do is "connect my console to the silly internet..." If that's you, I'd say you are definitely the minority. Microsoft took a small risk (at the time) in introducing their broadband only first Xbox and look where we are now. Their perspective is good, and the entire console needs the internet to be at 100%. That's true with the 360 now.

            And, my internet is as reliable as my electricity. My electricity has gone out more in the last year than my internet (each on their own). I'm sure there may be an outage, but it will be extremely rare.
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            • mestevo
              Gooney Goo Goo
              • Apr 2010
              • 19556

              #411
              Re: Xbox 720

              I don't think the concern is completely baseless, but for those who never have their console connected or who connect it for 'less than 5 minutes a week' - they may want to hold on to their current consoles, and concede at some point that this industry has passed them by.

              At some point you have to stop trying to make a product that's going another direction something it's not, speak with your wallet and go the other way. If all the alternatives are disagreeable in some form, the problem might not lie with those products/industry, but instead could be looking back at you in the mirror.

              The same applies to PC gaming too, if you want a feeling of helplessness sit in front of a freshly formatted computer with no internet access and knowing you have 200+ games in your Steam account waiting to be installed. (In desperation I downloaded a driver on my phone and muled it over, lol)

              To reiterate, we're not there yet, but for those digging in so hard that time will be here sooner than later.

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              • Rockie_Fresh88
                Lockdown Defender
                • Oct 2011
                • 9621

                #412
                Re: Xbox 720

                God I hope not . There are times during cable outages my in Internet is down or my wifi is messing up. I still like offline play.

                Also my friends and I trade games and borrow all the time
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                • mgoblue
                  Go Wings!
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 25477

                  #413
                  Re: Xbox 720

                  Originally posted by mestevo
                  I don't think the concern is completely baseless, but for those who never have their console connected or who connect it for 'less than 5 minutes a week' - they may want to hold on to their current consoles, and concede at some point that this industry has passed them by.

                  At some point you have to stop trying to make a product that's going another direction something it's not, speak with your wallet and go the other way. If all the alternatives are disagreeable in some form, the problem might not lie with those products/industry, but instead could be looking back at you in the mirror.

                  The same applies to PC gaming too, if you want a feeling of helplessness sit in front of a freshly formatted computer with no internet access and knowing you have 200+ games in your Steam account waiting to be installed. (In desperation I downloaded a driver on my phone and muled it over, lol)

                  To reiterate, we're not there yet, but for those digging in so hard that time will be here sooner than later.
                  I agree that it's the future, just annoying when your internet goes down for a couple hours randomly some night and you can't play a game. I understand the issue for downloading, but frustrating that I can't play a game offline that is all ready downloaded without the internet connection.

                  IMO they'll figure out a way to give you some offline play, so I doubt we'll have to worry...
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                  • bghost
                    Pro
                    • Oct 2010
                    • 576

                    #414
                    Re: Xbox 720

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                    • Skyboxer
                      Donny Baseball!
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 20302

                      #415
                      Re: Xbox 720

                      Originally posted by DocHolliday
                      Agreed, but at what cost? save the gamer a few bucks but have the actual developers get nothing, then cancel future products down the line because they don't have enough "sales" for the publisher? Quite frankly, who know how many games we don't have because of GS and the buying and selling back of used games killed the potential Greenlight of other products.

                      I have alway bought New out of respect for the publisher/developer and want to support them and their work, but I have never been a "Collector" and constantly trade in my games for credit, so this will effect me as well.However, I think in the long run it will help the Developers health which will only benefit all of us down the line.

                      Also, the effect of people being more "Careful" with how they spend their money will help too, by forcing developers to make quality performance from the get go as Sales will fall on the reports of buggy games.

                      Its odd to think we may not be able to trade in games, but I truly think it is for the best in the long run.

                      If you have Stock in GS, GET OUT.
                      The developer doesn't pay my bills..
                      A few bucks can be 10.00 or more the longer I wait.

                      When the developer as a whole cares about the gamer I'll care about the developer.
                      Guarantee the gamer he will be able to play a bug free game not needing 2-3 patches to get it to play as advertised and if not we can get our $ back, and we'll be good and I'll drop full price.
                      They want a guaranteed 60.00 so guarantee quality at release.

                      I doubt they are sitting in their offices crying over the fact they release bug filled games at 60.00 a pop. So no I won't worry about them making more money. I respect the developers but choose to not throw good money away out of "respect", and respect that isn't both ways.

                      (I say as a whole as I know most dev's want to have the time to get it right but are mostly forced to release before totally ready. SO as a whole means the whole company)
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                      • ubernoob
                        ****
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 15522

                        #416
                        Because every single used industry (cars, clothes, appliances, etc) have killed the industry.

                        Some of these guys have a stick up their *** that needs to be removed through their mouth.

                        Games used to be 40 bucks. Nothing wrong with that. I haven't bought an EA game new in years just so they won't see any money from them.

                        Maybe the day most of these companies start showing any compassion for their fan base I will give them my money.

                        You want me to pay 60 dollars, plus more for DLC (which is available on day 1 a lot of times) in effect saying you didn't care enough to put it on the disc/unlock it just to get more money from me?

                        PC gaming has been on its last legs for how many years now according to industry pundits?

                        **** the guys that are in this for money. Gaming and the creation of games is about a passion. It shows in products.

                        Diablo 3 was the best selling PC game of how long? Because it made its name off a rabid fan base of a game that was passionately created by a talented team. I guarantee you that if they released an expansion it wouldn't hit 40% of the numbers it did, because the devs did it for the wrong reasons. Every single person that I know in real life got their refund for that game from Blizzard. The only people I know online that still play it only do so to bot and make a little extra cash if they get lucky.

                        This **** has to stop.
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                        • DukeC
                          Banned
                          • Jul 2011
                          • 5751

                          #417
                          Re: Xbox 720

                          Originally posted by DaveDQ
                          I like what is in these rumors. These companies have to evolve and change with trending technologies. TV and cable did the same thing. Some act like they resent an internet connection, like the last thing they would do is "connect my console to the silly internet..." If that's you, I'd say you are definitely the minority. Microsoft took a small risk (at the time) in introducing their broadband only first Xbox and look where we are now. Their perspective is good, and the entire console needs the internet to be at 100%. That's true with the 360 now.

                          And, my internet is as reliable as my electricity. My electricity has gone out more in the last year than my internet (each on their own). I'm sure there may be an outage, but it will be extremely rare.
                          I disagree with this entirely. Why would single player games need to be connected to the internet? If I recall correctly didn't EA do this with some of their PC games? I think said game(s) failed miserably.

                          The day I need the internet to play the single player portion of a game is the day I quit playing [current] console games.

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                          • WildFan22
                            Pro
                            • May 2009
                            • 932

                            #418
                            Re: Xbox 720

                            If they are going to announce that used games won't be possible on xbox I hope they follow it up by announcing a price drop to $50 for next gen games.

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                            • bghost
                              Pro
                              • Oct 2010
                              • 576

                              #419
                              Re: Xbox 720

                              Originally posted by DukeC
                              I disagree with this entirely. Why would single player games need to be connected to the internet? If I recall correctly didn't EA do this with some of their PC games? I think said game(s) failed miserably.

                              The day I need the internet to play the single player portion of a game is the day I quit playing [current] console games.
                              You are thinking of Ubisoft... and they took entirely too much crap for it so they scrapped that plan.

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                              • ubernoob
                                ****
                                • Jul 2004
                                • 15522

                                #420
                                Originally posted by bghost
                                You are thinking of Ubisoft... and they took entirely too much crap for it so they scrapped that plan.
                                Oh no, just look up EA and the case of Spore and see how that worked or for them.
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