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[LambertandHam]

Re: Xbox 720

There is going to be some kind of murder or something that will be solved because of some poor sap's ****ing Kinect camera.

Seriously though, what if people want to "get busy" in a particular room where their Xbox is hooked up? Microsoft just gets to watch?

Quick, write that down and then pitch the screenplay . There are some DVR's that do this already.

[ckarlic]

Re: Xbox 720

There is going to be some kind of murder or something that will be solved because of some poor sap's ****ing Kinect camera.

Seriously though, what if people want to "get busy" in a particular room where their Xbox is hooked up? Microsoft just gets to watch?

LOL...was thinking bout the same thing.

[p_rushing]

Re: Xbox 720

Seriously though, what if people want to "get busy" in a particular room where their Xbox is hooked up? Microsoft just gets to watch?

Microsoft could sell the rights to the videos or at least keep you purchasing Live each month or they get released. I'm sure their TOS say they own all rights to video captured by the camera.

Why I don't think it will happen is that kids are going to have this in their bedrooms and Microsoft could get sued or arrested for filming minors changing.

[mestevo]

Microsoft could sell the rights to the videos or at least keep you purchasing Live each month or they get released. I'm sure their TOS say they own all rights to video captured by the camera.

Why I don't think it will happen is that kids are going to have this in their bedrooms and Microsoft could get sued or arrested for filming minors changing.

The fact that you have to go that far down the rabbit hole to come up with why this is implausible is amazing to me.

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[DaveDQ]

Re: Xbox 720

There is going to be some kind of murder or something that will be solved because of some poor sap's ****ing Kinect camera.

Seriously though, what if people want to "get busy" in a particular room where their Xbox is hooked up? Microsoft just gets to watch?

But of course.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Xbox 720

Microsoft could sell the rights to the videos or at least keep you purchasing Live each month or they get released. I'm sure their TOS say they own all rights to video captured by the camera.

Why I don't think it will happen is that kids are going to have this in their bedrooms and Microsoft could get sued or arrested for filming minors changing.

I agree with your concerns on the issue but why has no one already sued for those same reasoning's regarding phones, etc now?... For example; in the latest Android FACEBOOK app update, when signing on to agree to the TOS you give them permission to; Use your microphone and record with your camera anytime, without your confirmation.

Picture from an Android TV box: (same thing was asked on the phone version, 2nd pic)





So, why/how would anyone sue for something they agree to. Also a consumer would have a hella'va time trying to provide proof that they 'spied' on them, even so they still agree to it through the TOS and I agree that it would state that they own all video/audio.

The unfortunate truth is; that this is the future and this is gonna be how it is unless you leave future tech alone.

The fact that you have to go that far down the rabbit hole to come up with why this is implausible is amazing to me.
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The fact that you cannot believe this is happening is amazing to me.

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Verizon patents DVR that tracks your actions

Verizon wants to watch you while you watch TV.

The communications company has filed for a patent (as others have as well) of a DVR that can monitor your actions to better target advertisements to you. According to the details of the patent—published online Nov. 29 after it was first filed in May 2011—if you’re working out, talking on the phone, or holding hands with your significant other, the shows you watch would play corresponding ads.

Verizon’s set-top box would even parse words from your conversations and detect moods to better market to you; the patent application describes sensing a viewer’s stress and advertising aromatherapy candles or a resort.

[@55, here is ya answer] If two people are cuddling on a couch watching TV, the system might show them a commercial for a romantic vacation, flowers, and yes, even condoms, according to the application. The system could even figure out what pets are in the room and start showing dog food commercials or flea treatment ads.

Patent: 'If detection facility detects one or more words spoken by a user (e.g., while talking to another user within the same room or on the telephone), advertising facility may utilise the one or more words spoken by the user to search for and/or select an advertisement associated with the one or more words.'

The application says the sensors would be able to determine whether viewers were 'eating, exercising, laughing, reading, sleeping, talking, singing, humming, cleaning, playing a musical instrument, performing any other suitable action, and/or engaging in any other physical activity.'

Google is one of several companies interested in what Verizon is doing. In fact, Google filed a patent years ago for an "image capture device" that could measure how many viewers are watching a particular broadcast, Ars Technica reports. Comcast has already patented an idea to recommend TV shows based on who it sees in the living room.

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MS has already filed patents for similar tech as I have provided in this thread already.

Nick Pickles, director of privacy campaign group Big Brother Watch, said: Smart TVs with in-built cameras and microphones are a privacy nightmare waiting around the corner.

It is only a matter of time before technology using facial recognition, audio analysis and monitoring what you watch is common place.

What is essential is that consumers know exactly what they are buying and where the data is going. The tables could turn and now it’s Google searching your living room for data about you.

In reality this might be some rather far fetched marketing gimmick, but the current consumer protections are badly lacking and some companies are happy to do whatever it takes to get as much information as possible and keep ahead of their competitors.

This needs to be reined in before consumers lose control for good.

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[aholbert32]

Re: Xbox 720

Microsoft could sell the rights to the videos or at least keep you purchasing Live each month or they get released. I'm sure their TOS say they own all rights to video captured by the camera.

Why I don't think it will happen is that kids are going to have this in their bedrooms and Microsoft could get sued or arrested for filming minors changing.

There is zero chance of any of this happening. The furthest they could go with this is a privacy setting that allows MS to film and store any videos created but the chances of that is extremely slim. The backlash that MS would receive would be unbelievable and would significantly damage the sales potential of the 720.

[aholbert32]

Re: Xbox 720

I agree with your concerns on the issue but why has no one already sued for those same reasoning's regarding phones, etc now?... For example; in the latest Android FACEBOOK app update, when signing on to agree to the TOS you give them permission to; Use your microphone and record with your camera anytime, without your confirmation.

Picture from an Android TV box: (same thing was asked on the phone version, 2nd pic)





So, why/how would anyone sue for something they agree to. Also a consumer would have a hella'va time trying to provide proof that they 'spied' on them, even so they still agree to it through the TOS and I agree that it would state that they own all video/audio.

The unfortunate truth is; that this is the future and this is gonna be how it is unless you leave future tech alone in this quasi-fascist-state.



The fact that you cannot believe this is happening is amazing to me.

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MS has already filed patents for similar tech as I have provided in this thread already.

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I think you are actually interpreting the Facebook update incorrectly. That doesnt mean that the app will by itself use your phone's camera to take pictures. It means that instead of using a camera function installed in the app (like Instagram), it can directly use your phone's camera app IF YOU CHOOSE to take a photo through the Facebook app. It makes it so that the FB app doesnt have to ask your permission to use your phone's camera function every time you access the photo feature in the FB app.

Also you assume that the tech created by Verizon or MS wont give users the option to turn those services off. If they do, I personally could give a **** if the DVR box or the 720 has those capabilities. As long as I can turn it off, I'm fine with it.

[mestevo]

Re: Xbox 720

There's also the assumption the patent will even be used, rather than added to their portfolio for defensive/licensing reasons.

Somehow we've gone from MS warning me what seems like every time I start Netflix that the shows I watch will be seen by others (as my status) to them secretly taping me and extorting me via Xbox Live or they will 'release' those videos.

Yet the videos that involve children are what makes this implausible, all the stuff prior somehow seems reasonable and will happen.

Somehow this makes me the naive one?

Even managed to throw in some political stuff with the quasi-fascist-state comment!

[p_rushing]

Re: Xbox 720

There is zero chance of any of this happening. The furthest they could go with this is a privacy setting that allows MS to film and store any videos created but the chances of that is extremely slim. The backlash that MS would receive would be unbelievable and would significantly damage the sales potential of the 720.

I agree that I won't believe MS will do it as there would be too much backlash and potential legal issues. They want everyone to have at least one in their house and there is no way most parents would allow it.

[Burns11]

Re: Xbox 720

I think you are actually interpreting the Facebook update incorrectly. That doesnt mean that the app will by itself use your phone's camera to take pictures. It means that instead of using a camera function installed in the app (like Instagram), it can directly use your phone's camera app IF YOU CHOOSE to take a photo through the Facebook app. It makes it so that the FB app doesnt have to ask your permission to use your phone's camera function every time you access the photo feature in the FB app.

Also you assume that the tech created by Verizon or MS wont give users the option to turn those services off. If they do, I personally could give a **** if the DVR box or the 720 has those capabilities. As long as I can turn it off, I'm fine with it.

I think you are the one misinterpreting what it says, it seems pretty clear that it's saying it can take audio or video at any time without your permission.

I think the reasons are being misinterpreted here, since Facebook has in their agreement that they own everything you put on Facebook, this is simply legal wrangling to protect Facebook in case you try to say you didn't upload a pic saying the app did it without your knowledge. That's what I think the Facebook thing is about.

As for the new XBox, it seems pretty undeniable they are going to be using the new Kinect for targeted advertising and data mining. The restricted PPV seems a bit of a stretch, and even if they tried to use it for that all you'd have to do is refuse to buy that service. The idea that Microsoft is going to be randomly recording you is a bit loony, Microsoft has better things to do than setting up petabytes of storage and hiring an army of workers to sift through a mountain of useless randomly recorded video. The exception to that might just be taking random photos during data mining so that a human can confirm the data recorded by the Kinect.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Xbox 720

I think you are actually interpreting the Facebook update incorrectly. That doesnt mean that the app will by itself use your phone's camera to take pictures. It means that instead of using a camera function installed in the app (like Instagram), it can directly use your phone's camera app IF YOU CHOOSE to take a photo through the Facebook app. It makes it so that the FB app doesnt have to ask your permission to use your phone's camera function every time you access the photo feature in the FB app.

Also you assume that the tech created by Verizon or MS wont give users the option to turn those services off. If they do, I personally could give a **** if the DVR box or the 720 has those capabilities. As long as I can turn it off, I'm fine with it.

I actually agree with this. But, it is also pretty conveniently worded for one day, in the future, when a court has to decide whether you have a right to sue Facebook for allowing "X" to access your microphone or camera because you acknowledged that the app does have the right to do so.

I feel like if we were discussing it in terms of you using the app for these purposes without such confirmation...you would expect perhaps "This permission allows the app to access your microphone when you record audio without your confirmation." instead of what it says: "This permission allows the app to record audio at any time without your confirmation."

Confirmation - definition: "acknowledgement with definite assurance", "sanction" and (importantly) "corroboration"

Is this the typical word used for hitting the OK button or "Allow" button?

Also, why "at any time" ...why not "when you use it to record" or other such time specification. I think we can all agree that "at any time" is a wider span of time than "when you record with it". That's odd to me most of all.

Yes I am assuming no option to turn off as I don't trust any corporation to do anything ethically/morally right. I also don't expect them to protect my privacy when so many times corps have been caught selling data off to 3rd parties, again w/o your permission.

I can guarantee that it would be in the TOS (that no one reads) and that you would have to opt-out, instead of opting-in, which means 90+% would not even know. Further meaning that if hells bells aren't rang about this issue, no one will care and the wheels will keep on turning right over the consumers privacy.

There's also the assumption the patent will even be used, rather than added to their portfolio for defensive/licensing reasons.

Somehow we've gone from MS warning me what seems like every time I start Netflix that the shows I watch will be seen by others (as my status) to them secretly taping me and extorting me via Xbox Live or they will 'release' those videos.

Yet the videos that involve children are what makes this implausible, all the stuff prior somehow seems reasonable and will happen.

Somehow this makes me the naive one?

You can label this "tin-foil" all you want and make up things "extortion" when no one has said anything of the sort. They are clearly talking about 'spying' (for lack of a better term right now) in order to create better advertisements and to be more clear about "you being naive" (imo) is that if you believe that a corporation would not do something for money than you are naive, even something "as far" as spying on its costumer (whether through data mining or recorded audio/video), this is common knowledge, c'mon now.

Yeah doesn't happen with apps already.

Got an Android phone? Installed apps from the Android Market? Congratulations, you have been named the Mayor of We Know Where You Went and What You Did Last Week.

Even if you never use services like Foursquare or Facebook Places or Google Latitude to announce your physical location to the world, the apps you have installed may be capturing this information and sharing it with advertisers -- without your knowledge or consent.

A study by researchers at Duke University, Penn State, and Intel Research Labs has revealed that Android apps are collecting location information from users' GPS phones and sharing them without notifying users or asking for permission.

The researchers looked at 30 popular Android apps, including The Weather Channel, MySpace, Evernote, BBC News Live Stream, Yellow Pages, and Spongebob Slide. They used a home-made tool called TaintDroid to track what data was being shared and with whom. The skinny:

• Two thirds of these apps violated user privacy by sharing location data or information that could identify individual handsets.
• Half of them sent user location information to advertising networks like Admob or analytics companies like Flurry without user consent.
• Seven of the apps sent the unique device identification numbers of the GSM user and the handsets' SIM card to its servers.
• Two of the apps captured the users' cell phone number along with the ID number and the users' geographical coordinates.

Nice.

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[DocHolliday]

There is no way that MS is going to be recording you. All of these patents are just that, patents. And if you know the world of patents and the US, they are just insane.

They file crazy patents all the time for waaaaay in the future and for a 1% chance they can monopolize the tech.

The 720 will not be watching you and giving feeds to any bro in the security room.

[JasonWilliams55]

Re: Xbox 720

Yep.... it will never happen...

It would be a computer system that does all of the data mining/'watching'. Of course they would not hire 1000's of people to watch footage all day. Again a computer would do it, and its for advertisements, the issue is the privacy. I know, I know, just don't buy it, I won't be.

Good day fellas... I'm the looney mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmkay.

[iLLosophy]

Re: Xbox 720

If this were built into a 50inch samsung tv, I could understand how they could get away with this "count how many people in the room" technology, since you have to look at the TV, but you don't have to look at your kinect. There are so many different setups people have for their xbox and their TV/Monitor that it's no way you can enforce the kinect to be able to "see the room." Not every xbox is in the living room hooked to a big screen. And to try to force people to conform to this requirement isn't going to work.