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  • daniel77733
    Banned
    • Nov 2011
    • 3544

    #12856
    Re: Xbox One

    Originally posted by ZB9
    Do you not buy digital music or movies either or is that just for games?

    I'm all digital now gaming wise, and it's so much better and more practical. It's great being able to switch games and apps in a matter of a few seconds.
    With the exception of XBLA / PSN / Indie games, I don't purchase anything via digital download. I did purchase a few games on demand for Xbox 360 but they all averaged out to $20 or less. Just like those XBLA / PSN / Indie games, my limit is $20 for all digital games because it's not worth the investment for me especially if there's no demo to try out the game. Watching walkthrough videos on youtube is the best way to see if im going to like a game or not but I would much rather play the game and feel how the game controls and whatnot.

    Regarding music, movies and tv shows, my interest is nowhere near video games. I don't even remember the last music CD I purchased and I would usually buy the CD, copy it onto my laptop and flash drive as a backup and then sell the CD on ebay to get back half my money. Movie wise, I may buy 3-5 a year if that. I'll watch it and sell it unless it's a movie I know I'll watch over and over again and thus, I'll keep it.

    TV shows, I sometimes download the episodes on 360 but stopped with last season's The Walking Dead. Now, I'll just wait until it goes on Netflix. For example, I missed the second season of The Following and majority of the syfy show Helix and also wanted to watch the TV series of From Dusk Till Dawn. I signed up for Netflix today for $10 including tax for a month. I'll watch all three shows from start to finish and if there's nothing added by January, I'll cancel my subscription.

    I realize that I have spent way too much money on all this stuff in the past and it's not worth it especially when aside from video games, CD's, movies and TV series aren't worth as much as they used to be.

    Game wise, im a GCU member at Best Buy and just bought Lords of the Fallen yesterday in their cyber Monday sale for $32 plus tax. Even if I end up not getting into the game or whatnot, I can easily trade it in to Best Buy for around $30 in credit. Since I used credit to buy the game, at worse, I'll lose $5-$10 which I can consider a rental.

    But to spend $60 on any game via digital download, hell no. Especially when there's rarely a playable demo for games nowadays. Retail disc wise and using my GCU membership at Best Buy, I was able to purchase, play and finish Knack, Watch Dogs, The Last of Us Remastered, Madden NFL 15, Middle-Earth: Shadow or Mordor and The Evil Within for $80 cash with the rest being gift cards from trading the previous game in and reward certs.

    I only recently had to spend $105 on Unity and Rogue but im trading in Unity tomorrow and once im done with Far Cry 4, Rogue and hopefully, Lords of the Fallen, I'll have around $150 in credit, possibly more.

    I would never be able to do any of this via digital download. And yeah, I can see people are so used to being able to go from one to the other without having to get up to swap discs but two minutes to swap a game disc is nothing in comparison to the amount of money that I save and the amount of games that im able to play and finish.

    I don't see game consoles being all digital until PlayStation 6 / Xbox 5 at the earliest simply because all the companies would be losing way too much money and even then, it's 50/50.

    People also need to realize that unlike Steam, you're not going to get all these kick *** sales on a weekly basis mainly because pirating console games is far less than what it is on PC so publishers try to minimize that by offering great discounts, deals and sales.

    This will never happen on consoles. You can check on Xbox One and PS4 and see launch titles still at $40 (possibly even at $60) despite being able to purchase them cheaper in stores on a retail disc.

    Too many people think that going all digital will be better for us gamers (consumers) but it won't be. If downloadable titles like Oddworld are $30, what makes anyone think that AAA games will be the same or less than $60?

    Also, without game discs, there's no incentive or reason for publishers to lower the price of games simply because there would be no other way to purchase and play the game. You simply pay the $60 to play the game or you don't. Since there's so many people who spend money on avatars, themes, etc. these same people will be the ones who purchase those $60 games on launch day via digital download.

    I like digital downloads for XBLA / PSN / Indie games and online capability is great for those who play online as well as updates and patches and DLC if you're into that stuff but once there's no other options in regards to buying a game on release day, the gaming industry will crash in my opinion simply because the majority of gamers like myself will no longer care because there's no more choices/options.

    To me, it's all about choices and options. Just like in the games themselves, the more the better. Sorry for the long post.

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    • ODogg
      Hall Of Fame
      • Feb 2003
      • 37953

      #12857
      Re: Xbox One

      Originally posted by mestevo
      Not for the rest of our lives? Are you like 90?

      There will be options for those who are less fortunate connection-wise but we're just a generation or two away at best from basically what MS was trying to do with the Xbox One originally to some degree. Just executed better.
      44 and I've been gaming long enough to know people like certain things and despite what makes "sense" technology wise it means very little in predicting trends for the future. The public is quite stubborn for one and very distrusting for two. A game in hand is worth much more to most people than in some abstract cloud.
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      • mestevo
        Gooney Goo Goo
        • Apr 2010
        • 19556

        #12858
        Re: Xbox One

        Originally posted by ODogg
        44 and I've been gaming long enough to know people like certain things and despite what makes "sense" technology wise it means very little in predicting trends for the future. The public is quite stubborn for one and very distrusting for two. A game in hand is worth much more to most people than in some abstract cloud.
        Replace gaming with music in your 20s and you'd probably have said the same about that.

        At some point those who decide not to move on will be left behind (as early adopters at least). The numbers just need to make sense, and this time around they didn't for MS. Digital spending is up exponentially, we'll get systems similar to the original ideas behind the Xbox One next generation for sure.

        'Never in our lifetime' though is quite the bold prediction, given where the music industry for example was just 15 years ago before anyone ever heard of an iPod and people were enjoying their smooth 56k modem speeds.

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        • Altimus
          Chelsea, Assemble!
          • Nov 2004
          • 27283

          #12859
          Re: Xbox One

          What is the exact size of Limbo? I'm having a weird issue.


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          • Zer0xray
            MVP
            • Sep 2002
            • 1532

            #12860
            Re: Xbox One

            Did anyone see the commercial for halo mcc that used rockys speech from rocky balboa? I thought it was cheesy but also great cause I loved that speech in the movie outside his restaurant

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            • IlliniM1ke
              Heroes Never Die
              • Feb 2003
              • 8082

              #12861
              Re: Xbox One

              Originally posted by Altimus
              What is the exact size of Limbo? I'm having a weird issue.


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              Looks like 212.4 MB is what it shows on my external.
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              • SuperBowlNachos
                All Star
                • Jul 2004
                • 10218

                #12862
                Re: Xbox One

                Finally made the jump. Xbone, kinect, forza 5, dance central, ryse, halo master collection. $329 refurbished through Microsoft. After Discover cashback will be about $297

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                • ODogg
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 37953

                  #12863
                  Re: Xbox One

                  Originally posted by mestevo
                  Replace gaming with music in your 20s and you'd probably have said the same about that.

                  At some point those who decide not to move on will be left behind (as early adopters at least). The numbers just need to make sense, and this time around they didn't for MS. Digital spending is up exponentially, we'll get systems similar to the original ideas behind the Xbox One next generation for sure.

                  'Never in our lifetime' though is quite the bold prediction, given where the music industry for example was just 15 years ago before anyone ever heard of an iPod and people were enjoying their smooth 56k modem speeds.
                  The problem here though is not simply technical, although that is a problem as many people would rather just go to the store and get a game rather than spend hours downloading it. There's a huge difference in downloading a 4 meg song versus a 20gb game.

                  And don't forget the biggest hurdle that makes games different than music, the companies involved, Sony and Microsoft, do not appear to really support the change.
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                  • ubernoob
                    ****
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 15522

                    #12864
                    Re: Xbox One

                    Originally posted by mestevo
                    Replace gaming with music in your 20s and you'd probably have said the same about that.

                    At some point those who decide not to move on will be left behind (as early adopters at least). The numbers just need to make sense, and this time around they didn't for MS. Digital spending is up exponentially, we'll get systems similar to the original ideas behind the Xbox One next generation for sure.

                    'Never in our lifetime' though is quite the bold prediction, given where the music industry for example was just 15 years ago before anyone ever heard of an iPod and people were enjoying their smooth 56k modem speeds.
                    Nobody's gonna be left behind.

                    The US 'net infrastructure is ****, too much going on with it (politically speaking) and they still sell boxed copies of PC games.
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                    • DaveDQ
                      13
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 7664

                      #12865
                      Re: Xbox One

                      Originally posted by ODogg
                      The problem here though is not simply technical, although that is a problem as many people would rather just go to the store and get a game rather than spend hours downloading it. There's a huge difference in downloading a 4 meg song versus a 20gb game.



                      And don't forget the biggest hurdle that makes games different than music, the companies involved, Sony and Microsoft, do not appear to really support the change.

                      That is very small thinking though. We heard the same size/speed argument for music and video just a few years ago.

                      And the only reason Sony looks like they aren't behind it is the trend isn't fully there yet. MS took a risk and flubbed implementation while Sony joined the bandwagon and mocked them. Had MS rolled out digital in a more positive way, Sony would have a problem.

                      But it's happening, and the thinking that it won't is somewhat tunnel vision. Digital has influenced the market place in so many ways. The printing industry, restaurant business, package delivery etc.; the list goes on.

                      It just needs to be implemented in a consumer friendly way that goes beyond a curious purchase to a beneficial one.
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                      • ricky24
                        MVP
                        • Jan 2014
                        • 4888

                        #12866
                        Re: Xbox One

                        They still sell CDs and vinyl records too. We will probably always have both options.

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                        • mestevo
                          Gooney Goo Goo
                          • Apr 2010
                          • 19556

                          #12867
                          Re: Xbox One

                          Originally posted by ricky24
                          They still sell CDs and vinyl records too. We will probably always have both options.
                          Yeah, it's kinda like saying we'll always have Nintendo consoles. Top of the line receivers don't play either and instead require dedicated components.

                          We already went through something similar with the console transition, in 2005 we saw the launch of 'HD' consoles with something like 22% HDTV market penetration. Sure consoles then and now still work on the old TVs, but not without help and certainly not without drawbacks. The same will happen with digital at some point, but like the Xbox One's original concept there will be options for those that need to 'touch something'. In the end most of us got less from our consoles because of the outrage.

                          Relative to HD switchover, the market is much closer to predominantly digital consoles IMO, just a matter of reaching a tipping point around the time for a new console generation.

                          I'll go out on a limb and say it will happen in our lifetime ...
                          Last edited by mestevo; 12-03-2014, 12:13 PM.

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                          • ODogg
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 37953

                            #12868
                            Re: Xbox One

                            Just to be clear, I'm in favor of digital and buy mostly digital but I do not want, nor believe, hard copy is going away anytime soon.

                            And as for Microsoft supposedly being in favor of it but backing off street the botched launch, I'd have to disagree. If either company really wanted or thought digital was happening soon they would not have released the systems with such small hard drives. I understand the cost but at very least if they wanted digital to succeed and had faith in it they would have offered models with larger hard drives at a bigger price tier.

                            And yes maybe some of younger guys here will see an all digital gaming world before you're dead but at my age I doubt I will.

                            To be honest no one should hope we go all digital either. As people have pointed out in this thread, if there is no competition amongst retailers then prices will remain about $59 or more for games.

                            Sure there will be some sales on occasion because Sony and Microsoft would still be competing but you'd not see prices and deals like you do with hundreds of retailers competing for your money.
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                            • mestevo
                              Gooney Goo Goo
                              • Apr 2010
                              • 19556

                              #12869
                              Re: Xbox One

                              The original concept of the Xbox one would have kept retailers in the mix, competition would have remained. Used games wouldn't even have gone away (a common myth) though I'm not sure services like GameFly and Redbox would be able to stock those games.

                              The hard drive thing is easy, no point passing along that cost to everyone when paths to upgrade are cheap for those that want to.

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                              • ricky24
                                MVP
                                • Jan 2014
                                • 4888

                                #12870
                                Re: Xbox One

                                Wasn't the original plan to let us install the whole disc so we didn't need to put the disc in to play? I never got the impression they wanted to go "all digital".

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