Xbox One

[ODogg]

Re: Xbox One

I'd highly doubt that Microsoft will allow Scorpio only games on the new system from anyone. I know what they said but in the end it will not happen because that will mean that effectively the Scorpio is not an Xbox One anymore, it's a whole new system.

Not only that but look at how all of the people who have just bought, or gotten Xbox One or Xbox One S within the past year. They will become downright hostile that their "new system" will not play all Xbox One games. That's also the reason Sony didn't allow for PS4 Pro only games.

So I wouldn't get your hopes up too high for the Scorpio to have "Scorpio only" games because it is not likely at all when one considers all of the factors.

Now as someone else said here, we could see Microsoft VR/Scorpio only games. But all non-VR games will be compatible across the whole Xbox One family (Xbox One, Xbox One S and Xbox One Scorpio) is how it will work.

P.S. Think it's pretty funny people already saying a PS4 Pro is a failure when it just came out 2 months or so ago but whatever.

[ODogg]

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The best you guys who want Scorpio only type games (that are non-VR) can hope for IMO is that Scorpio is simply delayed into 2018 and renamed into a whole, brand new system and removed from the Xbox One associated eco-system. But that will not happen either because of the PS4 Pro and the need for Microsoft to not fall too far behind in technology.

[daniel77733]

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Oh. I agree, it doesn't make a lot of sense to put an exclusive out to a system that doesn't have a big installation base. But I'm just saying, ps4 pro won't allow it period. X1 Scorpio Saya do it at your own discretion.

My people are pro Sony, and haven't been a X1 fan, even with the Slim. But they're amped for the Scorpio. That's why I'm ecstatic. I wasn't that drawn to it until earlier this week when I talked to them. I like my X1 Slim, but if the Scorpio was going to bring marginal upgrades like I've seen from the Pro, I wouldn't jump on it. Now, as soon as it's available for preorder, I'm paid in full ready to go.

There's very few people that I'd blindly follow without seeing it first hand, but from what I've heard, I'm sold.

There's also a difference between true native 4k and checkerboard and scaling techniques. I've seen the difference and it's discernible to me.

Again, no knock on the ps4 pro, as I own it and have since launch, but I'm not blown away by it. But going on what I've heard, I'll be shocked at the Scorpio. I'll eat crow if I'm wrong, but I trust my people.

I disagree with the first part in regards to not putting out exclusives on Scorpio because of the user base.....every new console generation starts at ZERO and you get exclusives at launch. This wouldn't be any different.

To me, 30m in sales in three years isn't bad at all. In fact, im pretty sure it's still outpacing Xbox 360 in it's first three years. It only looks bad because PS4 is over 53m. I would say that considering the cluster**** at E3 2013 by Microsoft, 30m in three years is very good all things considered. Hell, despite E3 2013 and in one year less on the market, it more than doubled what Wii U has sold.

Everyone knows that I favor Sony/PS4 over Microsoft/Xbox One but last gen, it was the opposite for me. Multi-platform games were on 360 as were all the good XBLA games. Outside of the four Naughty Dog games, Dragon's Crown and 3D Dot Game Heroes, all of my gaming which was around 50 games total were all on Xbox 360.

While the Xbox One Slim is obviously still underpowered compared to the base PS4 and obviously, the PS4 Pro, I have been more impressed with the Xbox One Slim than the PS4 Slim/Pro for various reasons.

First, for $300 and including a 4K Blu Ray Drive (I still watch DVD's so don't think im favoring it because of this because im not) is simply excellent and superb value. Now, it's $280. So the value has increased. And a game (either Minecraft or Battlefield 1) is included.

Second, in terms of what the console looks like.....must admit that it's sweet looking and the only consoles I would put ahead of it in terms of looks would be Sega CDX (which was just freaking sweet) and the super slim PS2 (perhaps the smallest home console in history).

Third, unlike the PS4 PRO, the Xbox One Slim has been running HDR correctly and can be seen as such in games. Gears of War 4 looked very good but Forza Horizon 3 looked simply amazing. And yes, I did just buy the Slim for the second time because of Forza Horizon 3. Seriously, I don't kiss anyone's *** but my goodness, I suck at racing/driving games and yet, I want to play Forza Horizon 3 more than I wanted to at launch and Blizzard Mountain got me hyped.

And yes, there's a huge difference between native 4K and checkerboard 4K. No game that's said to be native 4K on Pro is actually native 4K for one simple reason - every single texture and whatnot has to be fully rendered in 4K and that's simply not the case no matter how many patches they release.

While im not disappointed, im not being blown away with PS4 PRO. Horizon will be the game that I judge Pro by because everything should be implemented into the game itself and not needed via patches.

Back to Scorpio, like I just said in my previous post, im really really hoping the CPU rumors to be true. I believe that they are simply because the entire idea of mid-gen consoles is simply beyond stupid and nothing more than a rip-off for consumers in my opinion. Microsoft releasing Scorpio as their fourth gen console would get me super excited because it's NOT connected to Xbox One.

Can't wait for E3!!!!!! Sucks that it's six months away!!!

[daniel77733]

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The best you guys who want Scorpio only type games (that are non-VR) can hope for IMO is that Scorpio is simply delayed into 2018 and renamed into a whole, brand new system and removed from the Xbox One associated eco-system. But that will not happen either because of the PS4 Pro and the need for Microsoft to not fall too far behind in technology.

At 6TF of GPU power, Scorpio would already be ahead of PRO in terms of technology. Add in the rumored CPU (which I believe to be true) and it's already a next gen leap ahead. Name could easily stay Xbox Scorpio. The Xbox name/brand isn't going anywhere. Just need to get rid of the "one" name which to be honest, I never liked. I would have no problem with Scorpio being delayed. In fact, if Microsoft is going all out, it's fine by me. I'll wait.

[daniel77733]

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I'd highly doubt that Microsoft will allow Scorpio only games on the new system from anyone. I know what they said but in the end it will not happen because that will mean that effectively the Scorpio is not an Xbox One anymore, it's a whole new system.

Not only that but look at how all of the people who have just bought, or gotten Xbox One or Xbox One S within the past year. They will become downright hostile that their "new system" will not play all Xbox One games. That's also the reason Sony didn't allow for PS4 Pro only games.

So I wouldn't get your hopes up too high for the Scorpio to have "Scorpio only" games because it is not likely at all when one considers all of the factors.

Now as someone else said here, we could see Microsoft VR/Scorpio only games. But all non-VR games will be compatible across the whole Xbox One family (Xbox One, Xbox One S and Xbox One Scorpio) is how it will work.

P.S. Think it's pretty funny people already saying a PS4 Pro is a failure when it just came out 2 months or so ago but whatever.

I disagree in regards to people getting pissed off. Xbox One is at 30m in sales. The original Xbox sold just under 25m in it's life span which if you go by Xbox 360, was four years. Scorpio after Xbox One would be four years. While five years is definitely better, four has been done before more than once and is definitely doable.

Besides, do people get pissed off when a new gen starts? People were still buying PS3 and 360 when PS4/Xbox One launched so I honestly don't believe this simply because if it was true, next gen consoles wouldn't sell at all then.

As for Pro, it was in R&D BEFORE PS4 launched so it would make sense that it was connected to PS4. Plus, the agreement Sony has with AMD (if I remember correctly) expires at the end of 2019. I have no doubt that Sony is already researching PS5 and will be in development sooner rather than later. We just won't know about it.

After all, Phil Spencer once said that console bundles are setup at least six months ahead of time so imagine how far out that their plans for consoles are? Mid gen sucks plain and simple. It's a stupid idea just to rip us off and give us what we should have gotten three years ago but didn't. And even worse, the price is the same which is a ******* joke.

Scorpio could be backwards compatible with all Xbox One games in that it would just play like they would on a normal Xbox One.

Why anyone would even want Scorpio to be connected to Xbox One is beyond me anyway. What's the point in that? Cross Gen is the same damn gen??? Come on. Let's have this game on Scorpio with 6TF of power running on the "maximum setting" but for you Xbox One owners, you still get the game but it's running on "low settings". LMFAO. Seriously, that would be worse than Scorpio being a next gen console.

Look at PS4/PS4 Pro. Majority of the games still run BETTER on the base PS4 than they do on the PRO. Batman Arkham Collection or whatever the hell it's called had City running at a higher frame rate on PRO (as should be the case) but a patch lowered it to run the same as the base PS4. Seriously, WTF kind of crap is that???

As for Pro being a failure, it's not that, at least not yet but it has been a disappointment. Sales wise, considering the fact that it's been two months and Sony has only combined it in with all PS4 sales, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a failure.

Also, you say that people would be pissed if Scorpio is a next gen console. My opinion is shouldn't people be pissed if Scorpio ISN'T a next gen console? After all, if Scorpio turns out to be a minimal upgrade like Pro, then seriously, what the **** is the point of it to begin with?

With Pro, im EXPECTING better visuals, better frame rates, etc. Not equal and sure as hell not less than the base PS4. Seriously, come on bud.

[daniel77733]

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Anyway, I'll stop now. Don't want to get warned or banned especially since I like conversing with everyone here and enjoy being on this site in general.

[ricky24]

Xbox One

The best you guys who want Scorpio only type games (that are non-VR) can hope for IMO is that Scorpio is simply delayed into 2018 and renamed into a whole, brand new system and removed from the Xbox One associated eco-system. But that will not happen either because of the PS4 Pro and the need for Microsoft to not fall too far behind in technology.

Nope. This is definitely not the best thing I can hope for.


Edit: I misread your post. I'm not hoping for Scorpio only games at all. My bad.

[ricky24]

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I don't know why Daniel keeps mentioning parity. There is most definitely not going to be parity between the one and Scorpio. Even if the same games are playable on each.

[JayhawkerStL]

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UMMM , YEAH NO

I feel the same as, but I have daniel on ignore. If all you're gonna do is say whatevs, just don't quote him. I'm not he only one that has him on ignore.

In other news, I still have the is crazy hunch that Microsoft is going to have at least one Scorpio Only game. I think Crackdown 3 is going to be developed as a monster system seller.

Maybe there will be an XB1 version of the game, like there was a FH2 on the 360, but I think if Microsoft nails that game, it could be huge. The first game was a massive system seller for the 360. While the sequel missed the mark, I think they can create the ultimate destructible sandbox game.

Regardless, Scorpio is day one for me. I still need to get a 4K TV sooner or later.

While the KS8000 looks like the TV to get, the new models are already starting to get announced. I think this spring and summer will see several TVs hit the benchmarks that made the KS8000 the TV to have. We may even get an OLED with an acceptable input lag!

[kwebbvols4423]

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I don't know why Daniel keeps mentioning parity. There is most definitely not going to be parity between the one and Scorpio. Even if the same games are playable on each.

Ignoring him is the easiest thing to do. Been that way for a while and OS is so much better.

[joet6683]

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I don't get his need for it to be a new gen console. New gen is typically based on new architecture of the hardware. It seems both are set on x86 going forward, so there really is no need to call it Xbox (two, one next, whatever) or PS5 without changing the architecture.

He is so set on that being a need so the old consoles dont hold them back...

But if the same architecture it isnt so much creating one version then MAYBE doing a port to the old one. It really is just having the assets and scaling for the hardware it is being played on (at a high level, there obviously can be a few variables at play for this.) PS4 Pro already does it better (in some/most cases)...the only thing holding it back is that sony wants online parity between systems.

So really the only way they are getting held back is for online play, and who knows if Scorpio will be the same. But considering he is so adamant on hating online play, his need for a new gen really is dumb as it won't have any (or at least not much) effect on single player.

[greenegt]

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I think Scorpio will be tied to XB1, game for game, for a good while. I'm really curious to see how MS handles the transition to the console after Scorpio. Will they go ahead with the cell phone model, phasing out the XB1 and making Scorpio the new baseline, or go the Sony route and make the new console the baseline with full backwards compatibility.

[mgoblue]

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I'd highly doubt that Microsoft will allow Scorpio only games on the new system from anyone. I know what they said but in the end it will not happen because that will mean that effectively the Scorpio is not an Xbox One anymore, it's a whole new system.

Not only that but look at how all of the people who have just bought, or gotten Xbox One or Xbox One S within the past year. They will become downright hostile that their "new system" will not play all Xbox One games. That's also the reason Sony didn't allow for PS4 Pro only games.

So I wouldn't get your hopes up too high for the Scorpio to have "Scorpio only" games because it is not likely at all when one considers all of the factors.

Now as someone else said here, we could see Microsoft VR/Scorpio only games. But all non-VR games will be compatible across the whole Xbox One family (Xbox One, Xbox One S and Xbox One Scorpio) is how it will work.

P.S. Think it's pretty funny people already saying a PS4 Pro is a failure when it just came out 2 months or so ago but whatever.

I don't think PS4 Pro is a failure, just not a giant performance leap....it's good at what it does, minor updates for 4k tvs....

I agree there won't be Scorpio only games for a while too...if at all. That would only happen when/if the install base is large enough.

[ricky24]

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I always thought it sounded like PS4 pro was made because the original PS4 couldn't quite handle their vr headset.

[mestevo]

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I think Scorpio will be tied to XB1, game for game, for a good while. I'm really curious to see how MS handles the transition to the console after Scorpio. Will they go ahead with the cell phone model, phasing out the XB1 and making Scorpio the new baseline, or go the Sony route and make the new console the baseline with full backwards compatibility.

More interested in Sony's move, as we don't know yet if they'll follow in MS's footsteps and release backward compatible consoles for the foreseeable future. Think they've indicated otherwise, but it'd be pretty bold to do a software reset when MS isn't.

I care a bit less about the console to console stuff on the MS side, the parity and forward compatibility stuff comes down to execution and that will get better with time so I have fewer questions about that. I absolutely love the idea of 10 years from now someone being able to develop a game for Xbox One and have it payable on all the consoles that came after it, the same way a game can be made with low recommended specs on a PC.

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