Brokeback Mountain

[NovaStar]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

The things you mentioned, however, are illegal. A more valid analogy would probably be something along the lines of a twenty-something having a relationship with someone fifty to sixty years older than themself. Something legal, yet also quite disturbing in some people's book.

Heh. Yeah, like those exist.

Well, actually, gay sex is illegal in some jurisdictions (It is usually contained in anti sodomy statutes) It really depends on the state. But I do understand your point and agree with it.

[Acid]

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No it makes sense. For instance, I don't hate a team like, idk, Geogia Tech, but just because I don't hate them doesn't mean I have to support them.

Yeah, for sports teams that would work.

Not for actual people, that's just stupid. Like what if I said that about an entire race of people? I'd get so much **** for that, why not homosexuals?

And for "supporting" them, to me, supporting them is to do whatever they want so that they are happy, it's not going to change my life at all, so I don't see the big deal. They have equal rights and all that, that's why I hate all this gay marriage stuff on the news, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to get married. The whole "marriage is sacred" thing is bull****, people get married at drive-thrus in Vegas, Michael Jackson got married, it can't be that sacred.

[Rickster101]

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Drop it? Well, then thanks for making my point. The very essence of the the thread is about open vs closed mindedness, but because your flawed logic was brought out of the closet (pun HIGHLY intended), you want to dismiss it or at least claim confusion. Convenient.

I've read most of these post and particularly yours daflyboy stood out and still I just don't understand the purpose of this thread intentions its going some places that I must admit are scary at first glance but your explanation does seem to hold a certain eye opening ring of revelation of things, still its good to know that some values are important and being open minded can be dangerous if not prepared,I'm old school raised with some traditional values that I refuse to let go of but I can adjust to some things and am quite liberal but there is a limit to just how far and how much.

I feel that time is just passing me by and just am to dam stubborn and set in my old fashion ways to fully accept something like this as acceptable in todays society but can respect and do other peoples opinions and points of view I just don't always agree with them and this is one movie that themes are just out there on a limb for me...perhaps in another lifetime but for now I have to be honest and just refuse to go there I'm pretty much set in my old fashion ways but do respect your point of view among others here in this thread.





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Rickster101

[jraider32]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

If you don't hate homosexuals, why won't you support them?

That doesn't make any sense to me.

So you either hate something or support it? I dont hate homosexuals, but I dont support them. Just because I think something someone is doing is wrong doesnt mean that I hate them. Hatred and dissapproving of something are totally different. How does that not make sense?

[daflyboys]

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The whole "marriage is sacred" thing is bull****, people get married at drive-thrus in Vegas, Michael Jackson got married, it can't be that sacred.

Yeah.....mankind does a great job at screwing up wonderful things..... don't we? Don't believe it...... well we have one guy who just used Michael Jackson as a marker.....yikes!

[BGarrett7]

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Well, actually, gay sex is illegal in some jurisdictions (It is usually contained in anti sodomy statutes) It really depends on the state.

In Lawrence v. Texas (2003) the Supreme Court ruled that sodomy laws were unconstitutional.

[NovaStar]

Re: Brokeback Mountain

Yeah, for sports teams that would work.

Not for actual people, that's just stupid. Like what if I said that about an entire race of people? I'd get so much **** for that, why not homosexuals?

And for "supporting" them, to me, supporting them is to do whatever they want so that they are happy, it's not going to change my life at all, so I don't see the big deal. They have equal rights and all that, that's why I hate all this gay marriage stuff on the news, I don't see why they shouldn't be able to get married. The whole "marriage is sacred" thing is bull****, people get married at drive-thrus in Vegas, Michael Jackson got married, it can't be that sacred.

Would you support the "Grown the mens' Right to love little boys" organization. Keep in mind like gay sex (depending upon the state) this is illegal. If you do not support this are you denying pedophiles their right to be happy? Are you also closed minded? If a 60 year old man having sex with a 12 year old boy was in a movie, would you go see it? Again, the movie Lolita dealt with this, so it could happen under the scenerio I have given.

[daflyboys]

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I feel that time is just passing me by and just am to dam stubborn and set in my old fashion ways to fully accept something like this as acceptable in todays society but can respect and do other peoples opinions and points of view

The thing is Rickster..... a majority of society does NOT consider homosexual behavior as acceptable. But the Hollywood elite, the mainstream media and the like would not have you believe that.

This reminds me.....I can't wait to see Dennis Miller's new rant on HBO this month. Talk about a one time liberal who really puts things in perspective! Watch it if you can....this boy will make ya take a strong look at how you perceive things. His post-911 special was incredible.

[NovaStar]

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Good post, I feel pretty much the same way.

And to re-iterate, I dont wanna see this movie. Like has been said, its not my cup of tea. Some ppl in this thead seem homophobic however and thats all that needs pointing out.

As for the grown man with a young girl flick, I saw a trailer for one about a week ago. These two met on a internet dating site and the girl turns out to be young but they still get together. Its sopposed to be a thriller movie however. I think the girl is sopposed to be a head case or something.

I feel you Graphik. (not that way) Lol.

[TarHeelMan]

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And for "supporting" them, to me, supporting them is to do whatever they want so that they are happy, it's not going to change my life at all, so I don't see the big deal.

That might just be you... Others, myself included, don't see the need to bend over (pun intended) backwards to placate others.... Having a tolerant attitude, in many people's eyes, is support enough.... If I or anyone else chooses not to see this movie because of the way they view the issue, I don't think it makes them less supportive or tolerant of homosexuality.... I worked with a gay dude in one of my old college jobs years ago... It was the first time I ever had any regular constant contact with someone who was gay, but I soon learned he was a cool cat... Other people, you could tell they wore their discomfort on their sleeve.... Me, I could talk with him and chat like nothing.... I think THAT kind of treatment lends is the "support" that such ones appreciate, rather than just spending money on a movie you really don't agree with so that you can say "hey, I saw Brokeback Mountain... I'm a supporter!!!"

[Acid]

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So you either hate something or support it? I dont hate homosexuals, but I dont support them. Just because I think something someone is doing is wrong doesnt mean that I hate them. Hatred and dissapproving of something are totally different. How does that not make sense?

Maybe I have a different "definition" of supporting. I support what they want to do, it doesn't bother me, maybe I'm an odd person, I dunno but it doesn't bother me with anything they do. Now, when I see "not supporting" I see people thinking everything homosexuals do is wrong. Now, obviously not everyone sees it that, but that's how I interpret it.

Whatever though, obviously this will never end and people will always argue over it, it's not worth it to me to argue constantly over this.

[TarHeelMan]

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I feel you Graphik. (not that way) Lol.

LMAO.... Not that there's anything wrong with that....

[Acid]

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Would you support the "Grown the mens' Right to love little boys" organization. Keep in mind like gay sex (depending upon the state) this is illegal. If you do not support this are you denying pedophiles their right to be happy? Are you also closed minded? If a 60 year old man having sex with a 12 year old boy was in a movie, would you go see it? Again, the movie Lolita dealt with this, so it could happen under the scenerio I have given.

I never said that I support everything, all I mentioned was homosexuals.

Obviously pedophila is wrong, but nowhere in my post did I mention it being right, so this doesn't matter.

All my post dealt with was homosexuality and nothing else.

[p2xgamers]

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Although I don't have much interest in seeing the movie (all around I don't have any interest in love movies) I think its appaling the ignorance of some of you, mostly in the beginning of the topic. The movie is a piece of crap because 2 gay people are in it?

I don't have a problem with people saying they don't want to see it, I just have a problem with people that make a big deal of it and say it's a bad movie just because of what it's about. (look at what happened to the Utah theater)

[NovaStar]

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In Lawrence v. Texas (2003) the Supreme Court ruled that sodomy laws were unconstitutional.

Wow!, that is news to me. When I was in school there were still some jurisdictions that outlawed it. Thanks for the update, I will have to read that case.