The Dark Knight Rises

[Blzer]

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Blzer, I still don't understand why you are so adament (or worried/paranoid) about the Catwoman character. When has Nolan ever shoe-horned anybody into his movies, much less fill his films with things he thinks will draw a bigger audience. TDK basically gave him a blank check and a blank screen-play for him to do whatever he wants. Is it a problem that you don't know for sure why she is in the film or can you not picture a scenario that would involve her in anyway?

Well, I'm not an avid Batman comic fan. I haven't seen Batman & Robin myself, but I'll trust that it is a cinema travesty in recent (or all) history. Anyway, my point is that I don't truly, truly know where Selina Kyle/Catwoman fit in the Batman universe. Any time that I have seen her depiction (even in trailers for Arkham City), I can't fathom it being something that belongs in Nolan's batuniverse thus far.

I wouldn't really say that I'm worried, but I've been skeptic of this sounding like a better idea than a worse idea, for the most part. I don't know if I've been shown an outweighing positive reason for the character to be crime fighting in this film, or whatever it is she is doing. In fact, the best argument I've heard so far is: "In Nolan we trust." To be honest, that's almost a damn good enough reason for me. I think I just need that assurance is all.

I don't think if her character was a turn for the worse anyway, that it would destroy this film on any level. I just want this to be the best film that it possibly can. If Nolan came on here and assured me that Catwoman makes that happen, then I will rest easy up through July 18th, 2012.

[CMH]

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I know it's the popular thing to laugh at anyone that says the following, but whatever to them:

"In Nolan I trust."

Catwoman is deeper than the mess she's been thrown in. I think she gets a bad rep because of Returns and her horrible film. She was utilized poorly in both scenarios (though I'm talking assumption in her film because I never watched it).

Nolan wouldn't throw her in just to have a sexy big breasted woman parading around in black tights. He has a long enough film history to believe in his decisions.

Besides, Nolan's name alone draws masses now. He doesn't need cheap tricks to make $200+ million box office.

[SPTO]

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Catwoman/Selina Kyle can work in a realistic setting she's not really an out and out villain in some ways as some writers have given her the MO of stealing for the thrill of it or for the challenge of being able to pull off a caper. Even from the beginning in the comics world (i'm talking the early '40s here folks) there was the hint that Batman and Catwoman were in some ways kindred spirits. Okay, yes it was VERY superficial in the early days and didn't really gain any depth until the '70s but it looks like there was always meant to be a sexual tension between the two.

To put it in a general way, let's say you're a vigilante and you have to stop a beautiful woman who you've not only meant in the line of duty but in your secret identity there's bound to be a chemistry especially if the lady actually finds you attractive in your secret identity and you feel the same for her. That's the dynamic between Batman and Catwoman. Bats is duty bound to reform her but at the same time he can't fully commit to being 100% tough on her as he is on his other rogues because of the mutual attraction which is something she knows and takes advantage of.

There are times when Catwoman is portrayed as a love interest/very close ally and other times when she's done something so horrible that she's clearly a rogue but through it all they both find themselves in each others arms at some point. In a lot of ways the Batman/Catwoman dynamic is similar to Romeo and Juliet as they are star crossed lovers who are never meant to have a happy ending together (tho during the days of the multiverse before the first Crisis in the comic books Bats and Catwoman actually married each other!)

[Blzer]

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Then that might be the other problem I'd have with this. Bruce Wayne was faithful to Rachel Dawes, especially since he clearly thinks that Rachel loved him. I understand that she's gone so he might have to let her go, but that IMO will have everything to do with how long TDKR takes place after TDK.

I just wouldn't want Rachel to be "ignored" if he's found somebody else.

[Leon]

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Then that might be the other problem I'd have with this. Bruce Wayne was faithful to Rachel Dawes, especially since he clearly thinks that Rachel loved him. I understand that she's gone so he might have to let her go, but that IMO will have everything to do with how long TDKR takes place after TDK.

I just wouldn't want Rachel to be "ignored" if he's found somebody else.

Both Nolan Batman flicks have very little romance for Bruce Wayne (on-screen). If anything, Rachel Dawes served as the anchor for Batman to still be Bruce Wayne, believing he could still lead a normal life one day. The events of TDK push him into fully embracing the Batman role, officially solidifying Bruce as the mask (with a little help from Alfred, of course).

I really don't see how Catwoman as a love-interest (if that would even happen) would become a problem for anyone, especially because of Bruce's perceived faithfulness to Rachel (which was never a focal point of the movies anyway).

I really don't get where this whole "she doesn't fit in this bat-universe" talk is coming from. We're talking about Catwoman, not Killer Croc or Clayface. Still very much human and fits in this Bat-universe, whether she's a thief, crime-fighter or both.

[Blzer]

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Both Nolan Batman flicks have very little romance for Bruce Wayne (on-screen). If anything, Rachel Dawes served as the anchor for Batman to still be Bruce Wayne, believing he could still lead a normal life one day. The events of TDK push him into fully embracing the Batman role, officially solidifying Bruce as the mask (with a little help from Alfred, of course).

I really don't see how Catwoman as a love-interest (if that would even happen) would become a problem for anyone, especially because of Bruce's perceived faithfulness to Rachel (which was never a focal point of the movies anyway).

I really don't get where this whole "she doesn't fit in this bat-universe" talk is coming from. We're talking about Catwoman, not Killer Croc or Clayface. Still very much human and fits in this Bat-universe, whether she's a thief, crime-fighter or both.

I see what you're saying about the love angle.

As far as "fitting in," it just boils down to the comparison between Bruce and Selina. I can only remember one specific post where I had a paragraph dissecting the two, and wondering how we could perceive this as being possible.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042694172

Besides, I think the bigger question is: how can she make a bigger shadow? I can't think of one good reason that Anne Hathaway can match up as an equal to Batman in any which way. Gender aside, she lacks the weight, muscle, known training/experience, gadgetry, armor, equipment, resources, motivation, and respect. Of course, this can be all created... but it would need to be a huge part of the story. Again, Selina Kyle hasn't existed in this universe yet. Where does she pop out from, and how long has she been hiding from what she wants to go ahead and do?

Keep in mind that I'm not arguing to be right. The last thing I want is for Catwoman to be a bad idea. I'm trying to find reasons to sleep better at night knowing that she is the best idea possible, and you all are a potentially big help for making that happen.

[Leon]

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I see what you're saying about the love angle.

As far as "fitting in," it just boils down to the comparison between Bruce and Selina. I can only remember one specific post where I had a paragraph dissecting the two, and wondering how we could perceive this as being possible.

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...post2042694172



Keep in mind that I'm not arguing to be right. The last thing I want is for Catwoman to be a bad idea. I'm trying to find reasons to sleep better at night knowing that she is the best idea possible, and you all are a potentially big help for making that happen.

I get what you're saying with Selina Kyle "not being in the universe" yet. Begins only introduced the Joker, but not Harvey Dent. I see the same thing happening with Selina BUT the only question is, is she already Catwoman or do we see her become that? Heck, the same thing goes for Bane.

I really do think that a majority of people are only worried about Catwoman because she may not be taken as seriously. Why? Female thief who kicks *** (in heels, apparently) and has been shown to match Batman a few times in the comics. Since it's ingrained in everyone's minds that this Nolanized Batman is hyper-realistic, would it be realistic for this girl to suddenly show up and possibly match Batman?

And there, I guess, is where "In Nolan we trust" comes in. He made a Batman, a Joker and a Two-Face as believable as they can be. What's another two?

[Fresh Tendrils]

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A casting note which might be spoilerish. Its connected to Begins and TDK.

Spoiler

Cilian Murphy has apparently been spotted on the set.

Oh snap.

[Leon]

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A casting note which might be spoilerish. Its connected to Begins and TDK.

Spoiler

Cilian Murphy has apparently been spotted on the set.

Oh snap.

Spoiler

That's cool. Hope Scarecrow has a bit of a bigger role than TDK. Also, this pretty much rounds up the Inception reunion, and I doubt Ken Watanabe would be in this one.

[Fresh Tendrils]

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Rumor: 8 minute prologue could be attached to IMAX screenings of Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol.

If this is true, hell yes.

[Beantown]

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I would literally pay 13 bucks, sit there for the prologue, and then leave.

[bigfnjoe96]

Rumor: 8 minute prologue could be attached to IMAX screenings of Mission Impossible: Ghost Protocol.

If this is true, hell yes.

Yummy....

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[Blzer]

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I'm glad I missed the prologue for The Dark Knight in front of I Am Legends.

That said, when I see MI4 (and I will be) and I get there early enough, I'm going to bounce out of that theater if the prologue pops up on the screen. I would prefer to see the movie in full when it officially releases.

Also, once that hits, I will have to officially officially bounce out of this thread lol.

[Altimus]

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I would literally pay 13 bucks, sit there for the prologue, and then leave.

Or you can go in the morning and pay $6.

Either way, prologue, sign me up.

[BlueNGold]

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This 8 minute prologue is what the Joker bank robbery scene from TDK was as well right?

Personally I'd rather just wait to see it with the whole movie.