*** LOST: Season 5 Discussion***

[fistofrage]

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Easy...

Ninety or so days on the island from the crash of 815 + time flash to 1974 + three years there, working with Dharma until 1977 when Flight 316 arrives = Jin with fluent English!

Right.....thats a good observation that would mean that Jin wasn't a native indigenous person.

It would also seem to indicate that Jin and the other Losties crashed for the first time when they crashed in season 1. Everyone might bes saying "No $hit Sherlock". But this would indicate that they haven't been stuck in a loop for centuries.

Basically you had the hostiles whose 1st outside interaction may have been the black rock, then the military, and then Dharma.

One think that strikes me very odd about that giant statue is that it would take alot of resources and manpower to build that thing. Doesn't seem like the island would have ever had the population to support this. With its close ties to Egyptian lore, its almost like the Island moved from areas much closer to Egypt.

[poster]

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I thought Jin spoke clear English, and spoke with an accent during each time period during last nights show. I though it was either odd, or bad acting? I could be wrong, just surprised as I never heard him speak without some kind of accent.

Good episode that might change the dynamic of everything. Love the theories. I have no idea where they will take it from here. I am thinking somehow they have all been here before, but then again maybe not.

[CMH]

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That was the point. It's been three years. Jin is going to learn how to speak better English in three years.

[poster]

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Like I said I could be wrong. I thought the first scene with Jin, which was right after the flash, which would have been 1974. It was then that he seemed to have better English speaking skills. Three years later it makes sense, no doubt. Anyways no biggie.

[fistofrage]

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That was the point. It's been three years. Jin is going to learn how to speak better English in three years.

Right, but its big in the fact that its Jin's first contact with English meaning that he couldn't have been looping through time over and over or been a part of the indiginous peoples. It just disproves some theories out there.

[moose1619]

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With the statue, the temple ruins and other questionablel objects, could the island actually be either a piece of an egyptian land that was ripped away and started spinning through time? Stupid assumption i guess.

Quick question: Are the losties in 1977 and the others from the plane including Ben and Locke in present time or is everyone in 1977. To me if they were all in 77 then the Darma group would have seen or heard something with the plane when it landed like it did.

[fistofrage]

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With the statue, the temple ruins and other questionablel objects, could the island actually be either a piece of an egyptian land that was ripped away and started spinning through time? Stupid assumption i guess.

Quick question: Are the losties in 1974 and the others from the plane including Ben and Locke in present time or is everyone in 1974. To me if they were all in 74 then the Darma group would have seen or heard something with the plane when it landed like it did.

Crap another excellent point. The plane crashed on the other island, but they are in an abandoned Dharma station, so yes.....They may very well be in the present.

If thats the case, I'm really con-foosed. But that would make sense, the plane ccrashed, the Losties flashed.

So the Losties are on this separate track that Faraday speaks of......Back in 1974 and their entire world is in 1974....But there is another dimension in present day with the plane crash. I've heard many theories about multiple concurrent dimensions. One scientest showd how you could bend a single beam of light and have it hitting the same spots at different times and different points at the same time. The theory is more complex that, but it basically showed how it was possible for alternate "dimensions" could branch off from what should be 1 consecutive linear path.

Which brings up some intersting questions. Back at the Dharma in 1974 there may be a little Ben running around. The same way there was a Kate delivering the baby that Sawyer saw. The Smoke Monster won't be pleased if Big Ben tries to Eff with Little Ben. We'll have to wait and see, but I think you are right. Good call.

[CMH]

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I'm not sure if we know the answer to that yet. It would create an interesting dilemma, but I'm going to assume that everyone is in the same year until further notice.

And I'm sure it's actually 1977, three years after 1974, as someone mentioned in this thread.

[moose1619]

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you are correct, 1977s what I should have said. I went back and changed it.

[Pete1210]

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Good stuff on this thread!

One other thing. When Sawyer was talking to Smirkella on the dock and she said she was going to leave, Sawyer mentioned that its 1974 Everywhere. Is this fact or just him speculating?

Isn't the Island only that travels/moves through time?
The Oceanic 6 get on that flight in present time and are flashed off the plane on to Lost Island 1974. It wouldn't change time for the rest of the world.
I also agree that the other passengers on the plane with Locke are in present time as eveidence by the abandoned Dharma station.
Ben may have disintegrated like Charlotte since there was already a little Ben in 1974.
Since Sawyer and the gang are with Dharma, the Oceanic 6 did have to return to save them (like Ben said) from Ben's attack. So I'm thinking Ben somehow knows what is happening and when its happening on the Island even when he is off Island.

[fistofrage]

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Good stuff on this thread!

Isn't the Island only that travels/moves through time?
The Oceanic 6 get on that flight in present time and are flashed off the plane on to Lost Island 1974. It wouldn't change time for the rest of the world.
I also agree that the other passengers on the plane with Locke are in present time as eveidence by the abandoned Dharma station.
Ben may have disintegrated like Charlotte since there was already a little Ben in 1974.
Since Sawyer and the gang are with Dharma, the Oceanic 6 did have to return to save them (like Ben said) from Ben's attack. So I'm thinking Ben somehow knows what is happening and when its happening on the Island even when he is off Island.

Ben's laying in the abandoned Dharma station with the wounded. I don't think he's hurt, he just has bruises on his face from whatever happened to him back in LA.

[Pete1210]

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Ben's laying in the abandoned Dharma station with the wounded. I don't think he's hurt, he just has bruises on his face from whatever happened to him back in LA.

ooops, I forgot that scene. I don't think Ben could run into himself as a child, since Charlotte didn't. And another reason to figure that group with Locke and Ben are in present time.

[fistofrage]

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ooops, I forgot that scene. I don't think Ben could run into himself as a child, since Charlotte didn't. And another reason to figure that group with Locke and Ben are in present time.

I think its safe to say they are in present time.

[DirrtySouth78]

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There is one question I have asked people that no-one has an answer for.Maybe someone on here has an answer or a theory for.

In Season 2 the guy in the hatch with desmond. When you get his whole story he was in the Gulf war, meets Syaid in that war and helps him become a torturer. Then he's talking to Desmond and he says he was kicked out of Military because people followed his orders and then he joined the Dharme Initiative.

That would mean the Dharma Initiative didn't end on the island with the purge since he joined it way after the 70's. And since he isn't a major part of the story it wouldn't be anybody from the island posing as the Dharma Initiative because he has no real meaning on the Island.

Is this one of those storylines that they just left behind and won't ever answer, or could there be something more behind all that?

[HealyMonster]

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There is one question I have asked people that no-one has an answer for.Maybe someone on here has an answer or a theory for.

In Season 2 the guy in the hatch with desmond. When you get his whole story he was in the Gulf war, meets Syaid in that war and helps him become a torturer. Then he's talking to Desmond and he says he was kicked out of Military because people followed his orders and then he joined the Dharme Initiative.

That would mean the Dharma Initiative didn't end on the island with the purge since he joined it way after the 70's. And since he isn't a major part of the story it wouldn't be anybody from the island posing as the Dharma Initiative because he has no real meaning on the Island.

Is this one of those storylines that they just left behind and won't ever answer, or could there be something more behind all that?

we dont know that the "purge" was in the 70's. Ben was an adult when it happened, so if ben was born in the 70's, the purge would have taken place in the 90's which would coincide with the gulf war ending and the guy then joining darma.