LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Most of my tv viewing is done during the evening, so now I'm thinking perhaps the following Panasonic plasma model would be better suited. Not to mention, it would save me around $800.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIER...7812807&sr=8-6

That is the set that I have and bought it from Best Buy back in December. This set has been fantastic for me and I'm a first time plasma owner. I've had some small fears in the back of my mind about image retention and burn-in, but other than that this thing has been great. If you like to watch movies and play games, you can't go wrong. If this is going downstairs, the plasma would benefit a lot being in a controlled lighting environment.

The G20 is fairly thin for the most part and not as bulky as some of the other plasma's. The bezel on the bottom could have been thinner like the Samsung's. With the 2011 Panasonic plasma's the entire line is going to be slim all around, so their losing some fat.

Good luck.

[Artman22]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

Nope, I bought a Panasonic G20 1.5 months ago that I have played games almost on a daily basis. I have had no issues, except for minor image retention which has gone away after a few minutes.

I finally received my "50 GT25 today. It's a beautiful tv. I'm also being careful in the break-in period. Contrast on 48 and brightness on 48 as well. Did you break-in your tv or did you start using it right away with thx..and brightness up?

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD?

I finally received my "50 GT25 today. It's a beautiful tv. I'm also being careful in the break-in period. Contrast on 48 and brightness on 48 as well. Did you break-in your tv or did you start using it right away with thx..and brightness up?

I didn't break my set in because it already had 187 hours on it of a looping video. I probably should have ran the slides for 100 hours, but figured since it was at a BBY for a few weeks running their looping video that I was fine. I would run the slides to help age the phosphorus a bit quicker. I had posted my settings a few pages back if you want to take a look and see what I have my TV at.

I recommend keeping Contrast and Brightness around 50 or less the first 150 or so hours.

[Artman22]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

It does, the only tv that has better black levels is the Elite Kuro which I have as well. LOL

CNET said that this is the best Samsung TV ever made and second best tv next to the Elite Kuro which is a plasma

My PS3 and 360 games look amazing

The unxxb8500 is a nice tv, but it does suffer from input lag that affects gaming. On AVS forums they're saying it's in the range of 40ms which is almost 2 frames of lag which isn't very bad, but will affect gameplay on certain games. In a game like COD or MLB the show, it would be very noticeable, and will affect gameplay. This is the main reason why I got rid of my samsung. The PQ was great, but input lag was too anoying for me. The Kuro is the best tv period. The input lag is around 10-12ms which is almost like no lag. It's not even noticeable at all. The panasonics shine in this area as well. They have very fast processors which in turn have little input lag. The GT25 which is the TV I have is 15ms which is half a frame which is practically no lag.

[GAMEC0CK2002]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Back in the beginning of January, I purchased a 55" Vizio XVT553SV. Unbelieveable picture (I honestly don't think I've ever seen better), however I've had a couple issues with it. On a cold start, the picture is a little distorted but clears up within a minute. In addition, there's a little blooming, but it's not a deal breaker.

The deal breaker is the price. It's actully really affordable and was voted CNET's best LED of 2010. Still, it cost me around $1800 with tax. For some, that wouldn't seem like a lot of money, but with today's falling prices, it seems high to me. I look daily to see if the price will drop, and so far it hasn't. So, now I'm contemplating bringing it back and purchasing a lesser expensive hdtv. Additionally, I miss that "man cave" viewing in the basement I had with my 42" Vizio. The way in which our house is set up is that the kitchen and family room is open with no walls. When I watch sports, the kids and wife are always there. When I watch movies at night, I have to make sure the sound is turned down as to not wake the kids sleeping above the family room. I just feel I'm not getting the most out of my investment considering.

Most of my tv viewing is done during the evening, so now I'm thinking perhaps the following Panasonic plasma model would be better suited. Not to mention, it would save me around $800.

http://www.amazon.com/Panasonic-VIER...7812807&sr=8-6

Or perhaps the 55" LG LD520 for $1279, which would account for a $400 savings. Is 120 vs. 240HZ that noticeable? I think my 42" 60HZ in the basement looks great.....

Would bringing up the 42" Vizio to the family room in which the furthest distance is 15 feet (and the average being 9 feet) look strange? I in turn would purchase the Panasonic plasma for the basement.

I'd appreciate some thoughts about this.

I'd go with the Panny. Save the $800 and get some surround sound or take the family on vacation. $400 for 5 extra inches seems pretty steep.

240 Hz is basically 120 Hz being done twice (on some tvs, some are just 120 Hz sets that have a scanning backlight). Not worth the price tag, IMO. Unless you have an uncontrollable lighting source, go with the plasma and not have to worry about 60 Hz vs 120 Hz vs 240 Hz

It's all trying to make up for the motion blur that is inherent to LCD sets. Non-issue really for plasmas.

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

The unxxb8500 is a nice tv, but it does suffer from input lag that affects gaming. On AVS forums they're saying it's in the range of 40ms which is almost 2 frames of lag which isn't very bad, but will affect gameplay on certain games. In a game like COD or MLB the show, it would be very noticeable, and will affect gameplay. This is the main reason why I got rid of my samsung. The PQ was great, but input lag was too anoying for me. The Kuro is the best tv period. The input lag is around 10-12ms which is almost like no lag. It's not even noticeable at all. The panasonics shine in this area as well. They have very fast processors which in turn have little input lag. The GT25 which is the TV I have is 15ms which is half a frame which is practically no lag.

My B8500 is the second best tv behind the my other tv the Kuro but yea I had stated weeks ago that input lag was an issue. In game mode it is not that bad and I can play the show just fine with it. I am able to hit the meter right and in Madden I can hit the kicking meter on all madden level just fine

But online shooters I hate and I use my Samsung LED monitor which has no input lag and 2ms

I could not return my Samsung because of input lag, that tv is fantastic and no other sammy can top it right now. For competative gaming I use my monitor which is just as excellent in terms of pq but with no lag, even though I have to play on just 23 inches

The Panny and Kuro have great blacks and little input lag but it does not come close to looking as good for games as the samsung, but at a cost for sammy with the lag

[mjb2124]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Call me crazy, but I'm not sure why some are so worried about input lag? From what I've read and from what I've seen, there are always settings that can be turned off or even on (Game Mode) that will almost completely eliminate any input lag. I suppose if a TV does not have a Game Mode setting, that would be an issue though. Never used Game Mode on my old DLP, but it sure made a difference on the plasma. Definitely wouldn't exchange the C8000 as it's the best picture I've seen thus far.

Of course, I'm not a huge gamer anymore due to lack of time so that might be part of the issue. I only buy 3-4 games per year (Madden, CoD, The Show and sometimes TW), but most of those games are timing based so who knows?

[mjb2124]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

My B8500 is the second best tv behind the my other tv the Kuro

Still? I've read that the Kuro is the best of all time, but it's tough finding rankings with today's current sets. I've seen the Panasonic TC-P65VT25 as the top TV right now and then the TV I have, Samsung PN63C8000 as second.

I suppose it's partially subjective as long as people are happy with what they have. There are those out there that hate the Panasonic and those that hate the Samsung (not to mention people who make things up about all kinds of TV's because they are brand loyal or want to feel better about their own purchase). It's funny how that stuff happens.

[Artman22]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Call me crazy, but I'm not sure why some are so worried about input lag? From what I've read and from what I've seen, there are always settings that can be turned off or even on (Game Mode) that will almost completely eliminate any input lag. I suppose if a TV does not have a Game Mode setting, that would be an issue though. Never used Game Mode on my old DLP, but it sure made a difference on the plasma. Definitely wouldn't exchange the C8000 as it's the best picture I've seen thus far.

Of course, I'm not a huge gamer anymore due to lack of time so that might be part of the issue. I only buy 3-4 games per year (Madden, CoD, The Show and sometimes TW), but most of those games are timing based so who knows?

To be honest on my samsung even with game mode is enabled, it was still very bad input lag, and the picture quality gets sacraficed as well. That's the main reason I got rid of mine. To be honest I did my own little experiment. I played 2 seasons on 2 different screens. On the samsung about 40 games on a season using the yankees, and I was almost last in batting avg and in the back as well with HR. I then purchased an Asus "23 inch monitor for my little office space. I decided to do a season on this monitor for about 40 games as well, and guess what? I was #1 in the league in batting average and #1 in HR's as well. I knew this was all due to input lag. On my samsung I was always swinging late...I'm not knocking Samsungs at all. They're nice TVs, but I don't like them too much for gaming..

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Still? I've read that the Kuro is the best of all time, but it's tough finding rankings with today's current sets. I've seen the Panasonic TC-P65VT25 as the top TV right now and then the TV I have, Samsung PN63C8000 as second.

I suppose it's partially subjective as long as people are happy with what they have. There are those out there that hate the Panasonic and those that hate the Samsung (not to mention people who make things up about all kinds of TV's because they are brand loyal or want to feel better about their own purchase). It's funny how that stuff happens.

The rankings you are referring to are for 2010. But CNET reviewer stated on their forum that the B8500 is the best LCD LED ever and the Kuro is the best rated tv they ever had.

The C8000 is an edge lit so right there it does not match the B8500 which is local dimming

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

With game mode on my Samsung there is small lag but not enough to make games unplayable. If you turn game mode off then it is terrible

The biggest saving grace is that the B8500 game mode does not hurt the pq, and it allows you to modify picture settings which other previous Samsumg models did not allow on game mode.

My game mode looks fantastic and input lag is not terrible but of course a monitor is much better

[CaptainZombie]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

The rankings you are referring to are for 2010. But CNET reviewer stated on their forum that the B8500 is the best LCD LED ever and the Kuro is the best rated tv they ever had.

The C8000 is an edge lit so right there it does not match the B8500 which is local dimming

Huh? The C8000 is a plasma that mjb has, not the LCD version.......hence the PN in the model number.

The Kuro might be the best ever made, but the VT and C lines are slowly catching up. Kind of sad that they haven't beat it yet, especially Panny having some Pioneer tech folks on their staff, but maybe one day. We all know they are just milking the tech at this point.

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Huh? The C8000 is a plasma that mjb has, not the LCD version.......hence the PN in the model number.

The Kuro might be the best ever made, but the VT and C lines are slowly catching up. Kind of sad that they haven't beat it yet, especially Panny having some Pioneer tech folks on their staff, but maybe one day. We all know they are just milking the tech at this point.

My bad did not catch that. Yea that is the Plasma which is behind the Panny in 2010

But yea it sucks that Panny or Samsung have not reached the Elite Kuro standards eventhough Kuro has been done for almost 3 years now

[Giants4Natic]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

Here is the review points for the XXB8500 LED



The good: Deeper black levels than any HDTV available aside from Pioneer Kuro; solid shadow detail; reduced blooming compared with other local dimming LED-based LCDs; accurate, highly saturated color; excellent video processing with adjustable dejudder; numerous picture adjustments; extensive interactive features including Yahoo widgets; beautiful styling with 1.6-inch deep panel; extremely energy efficient.
The bad: Expensive; poor off-angle viewing; some blooming effects; benefits of 240Hz difficult to discern; glossy screen reflects ambient light.
The bottom line: It costs a mint, but Samsung's local dimming, LED-based UNB8500 series delivers the best picture quality of any LCD we've tested.
Review:

[mjb2124]

Re: Plasma or LCD? - The TV Thread

To be honest on my samsung even with game mode is enabled, it was still very bad input lag, and the picture quality gets sacraficed as well. That's the main reason I got rid of mine. To be honest I did my own little experiment. I played 2 seasons on 2 different screens. On the samsung about 40 games on a season using the yankees, and I was almost last in batting avg and in the back as well with HR. I then purchased an Asus "23 inch monitor for my little office space. I decided to do a season on this monitor for about 40 games as well, and guess what? I was #1 in the league in batting average and #1 in HR's as well. I knew this was all due to input lag. On my samsung I was always swinging late...I'm not knocking Samsungs at all. They're nice TVs, but I don't like them too much for gaming..

With game mode on my Samsung there is small lag but not enough to make games unplayable. If you turn game mode off then it is terrible

The biggest saving grace is that the B8500 game mode does not hurt the pq, and it allows you to modify picture settings which other previous Samsumg models did not allow on game mode.

My game mode looks fantastic and input lag is not terrible but of course a monitor is much better

I think my experience is similar to Giants4Natic...although I don't notice any lag with Game Mode on. I definitely noticed a lot of lag with Game Mode off though. There are also a ton of picture settings in Game Mode so the PQ doesn't suffer. I guess Samsung realized they needed to offer PQ settings in Game Mode.