LCD or OLED? - The TV Thread

[Blzer]

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Do any plasma screens have a PiP mode for two different HMDI sources? Like if I ever wanted to game and have a show on at the same time.

[CaptainZombie]

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Well I will say that I might have put my foot in my mouth about THX mode, because im have been using it for everything like captianzombie has, and I can't use anything else right now, I mean I can see what they mean about it now, the picture is so freaking Clear and the colors are perfect, and I have been gaming on it, and now when I try to go back to my own settings something is off, it like reversed now.....lol

I'm going to leave in THX mode form now on.

THX mode is awesome and watch Avatar on BD with it if you really want to see amazing. Once I get my tax return, I plan on upgrading my center channel and surrounds and now my HT will be done. My receiver I bought a year ago, so that is good to go.

Do any plasma screens have a PiP mode for two different HMDI sources? Like if I ever wanted to game and have a show on at the same time.

You would get burn-in trying to do that. LOL! j/k

[GAMEC0CK2002]

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Do any plasma screens have a PiP mode for two different HMDI sources? Like if I ever wanted to game and have a show on at the same time.

Only seen that in LCDs but maybe they are out there. My 32" Vizio LCD that got stolen 2 summers ago had PiP. Was nice being able to game and watch a HD-DVD at the same time.

[Blzer]

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Yeah, my LCD has PiP if I want to play a game while watching a show but it's a VGA/cable thing, not HDMI/HDMI.

[madjax]

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Hey guys i am finally switching over to either a plasma or a LCD TV. I did some research and i came out with LG 50PK350 600 Hz (might be called something else in the US as i am based in Europe). Does any one have any experience with this set? the main reason i am considering this is the price. I can basically get it for as low as 592 euros.

This will be my main TV if i buy it. I would do lots of gaming on it as well. I don`t really care for a lot of features as of right now i am still using a regular TV (CRT).

Is this worth it? if not can anybody give me any advice??
Thanks in advance

[mjb2124]

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So I would run the slides for 100-200 hours? And do you have a link for the slide set?


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Yes. I ran mine until I hit 150 hours. I also watched TV at the same time. I know some people that only run break-in slides up to 150-200 hours. I didn't want to do that especially with Xmas and New Years and being off work at that time.

I used these: http://www.webapalooza.com/plasma/

Version 120.1. I copied to a memory stick and ran a slideshow on my TV.

[mjb2124]

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The main thing i've heard about the c8000 is that the 58 incher is the one with the deep blacks, but the smaller ones are not as deep. The panasonics have deeper blacks then this tv, and even after they rise it's just as deep according to AVS. Also That tv has input lag at 100ms without game mode enabled. With game mode it's 35ms which is decent. There's also complaints about buzzing. I here the PQ is good on this tv, and for $800 that's a great price.

I went with the 63" C8000 and the deep blacks are dark - inky black. I have no complaints with the black level. From what I heard, the latest firmware on the 8000 (v1032) did something which caused the blacks to be deeper. Before v1032, I did hear there were issues with the black level. Mine came installed with v1032 so I had no comparison.

Yeah, I noticed input lag without game mode turned on - especially when playing The Show and trying to be perfect with the pitching meter. With game mode on, I found the response time to be better than the old DLP I had (which I think must have had some lag that I didn't even realize). So I was pleased with that...I now see part of the reason why my timing was never that good in years past and why I was always moving some of the hitting/pitching sliders higher than most!

I read the complaints regarding buzzing before I bought the TV, but disregarded them. What's odd is many people talking about the buzzing also said they had the TV volume at 5-6 when they heard buzzing. So, they don't have an AVR with surround sound? I figure if you drop this much on a TV, you have the complete package. With my AVR muted, I can hear a slight buzzing, but it would be normal plasma sound from what I understand (all plasma's buzz to a degree). It's no louder than the buzzing sound made by a refrigerator (quieter than a 360). With AVR at a normal volume level, I don't hear any buzzing. The buzzing doesn't seem to be an issue with my TV - or I'm just not so anal as to constantely mute my TV trying to hear the buzz!

I wish it was $800! The 63C8000 was $3100. I was saying that the best price I could find on both sets showed that the Samsung 63" C8000 was about $800 less than the Panasonic 65" VT25 ($3900). I couldn't justify spending $800 more when it seems like both TV's are neck and neck in most reviews and I'm glad I didn't. I did put off purchasing the TV for awhile because of all the things mentioned on AVS (buzzing, black level, blink issue etc...), but after talking to an ISF calibrator who has worked on the C8000 and VT25, he assured me that these issues were more nitpicking than actual issue. I figured I'd see at least something with all the TV/movies my wife and I watched between Xmas/New Years, but nothing. So either I got lucky and am one of the few with a good C8000 or there are people really nitpicking some of these issues.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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Yes. I ran mine until I hit 150 hours. I also watched TV at the same time. I know some people that only run break-in slides up to 150-200 hours. I didn't want to do that especially with Xmas and New Years and being off work at that time.

I used these: http://www.webapalooza.com/plasma/

Version 120.1. I copied to a memory stick and ran a slideshow on my TV.

Thanks for the response and your impressions after.

I am convinced, Plasma is the way to go!

[bigfnjoe96]

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Thinking of purchasing the following 55" Vizio LCD-LED. It was CNET's Editor's Choice award for 2010. Walmart has a 90 day price match guarantee which is nice seeing that should the price go down on or around the Super Bowl, I'd get money back. Anyone have one or seen one in the stores?

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vizio-XVT553SV/13904846

Very good display. The down-side of LED LCD is the "Blooming Effect" It's just the nature of the technology. It's usually noticable when a white object is present on a all black screen. If you can live with that, then go for it.

I've own an LED Backlit LCD for over a year & love the technology, but the reality is, it's still an early TECH with some minor flaws..

LED-backlit
Initially, LED-based displays were backlit by what's referred to as a "full array" of LEDs behind the LCD across the back of the panel. Most of these TVs also feature a technology called "local dimming". With local dimming, specific screen areas can be dimmed or brightened independently to enhance contrast and black inkiness. One major downside to local dimming is a haloing effect called "blooming", where brighter areas bleed into darker ones and lighten adjacent black levels. The severity is directly related to how many local dimming LED elements or dimmable zones are behind the screen. Blooming isn't an issue on other kinds of displays, including edgelit models

As for that VIZIO is has 120 Dimmable Zones..

[CaptainZombie]

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Very good display. The down-side of LED LCD is the "Blooming Effect" It's just the nature of the technology. It's usually noticable when a white object is present on a all black screen. If you can live with that, then go for it.

I've own an LED Backlit LCD for over a year & love the technology, but the reality is, it's still an early TECH with some minor flaws..

As for that VIZIO is has 120 Dimmable Zones..

Do you guys think in a few years that full Backlit LED's will surpass plasma in terms of PQ as the technology matures or is OLED the next big thing with LED just being a stop gap? OLED was getting some big talk a few years ago and it appears to have died down as I've read the technology is just way too expensive for the market and with the current state of the economy, its a no go.

It's just interesting to see how much the TV has changed over the years, considering that the tube TV stayed the same for so many years. This day and age, TV technology is rapidly changing.

My brother is looking for a fully backlit LED in the 55-65" range....preferably Samsung. Which models offer that? I've been trying to talk him into a plasma now, but not sure if he will do it.

[bigfnjoe96]

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Do you guys think in a few years that full Backlit LED's will surpass plasma in terms of PQ as the technology matures or is OLED the next big thing with LED just being a stop gap? OLED was getting some big talk a few years ago and it appears to have died down as I've read the technology is just way too expensive for the market and with the current state of the economy, its a no go.

OLED is still @ minimum 5 years away from hitting the larger screen. How much they will cost is another story.

It's just interesting to see how much the TV has changed over the years, considering that the tube TV stayed the same for so many years. This day and age, TV technology is rapidly changing.

This is true, now if only broadcast TV can catch-up with the technology.

My brother is looking for a fully backlit LED in the 55-65" range....preferably Samsung. Which models offer that? I've been trying to talk him into a plasma now, but not sure if he will do it.

Samsung is no longer offering Backlit Local Dimming LED LCD. The last model they made was last years LNB8500. All their LED Displays are now Edge-Lit with some thing called "Precision Dimming"

As for 65" there's nothing on the market as of yet. LG & VIZIO were supposed to have something on market, but it never happened. We should be getting a lot of info on what's coming in the next couple of days as CES begins.

If he's looking for something in 60" range & wants to jump-in now. I would recommend the SAMSUNG PN63C8000.

[sportdan30]

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So, the Vizio 55" LCD-LED model I'm looking at (XVT553SV) is a back-lit model. What exactly am I losing if I go with an edge lit? It seems like blooming is evident with all back-lit models, but of course there are trade offs I presume, seeing that the edge lits are less expensive.

[fishepa]

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The regular LCD technology is so mature I would get that rather than LED Edge Lit. But that is just my opinion.

[ExtremeGamer]

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So, the Vizio 55" LCD-LED model I'm looking at (XVT553SV) is a back-lit model. What exactly am I losing if I go with an edge lit? It seems like blooming is evident with all back-lit models, but of course there are trade offs I presume, seeing that the edge lits are less expensive.

I tried both, and prefered the back lit LED since it's more like LCD than the edge lit Samsung models.

Edge lit is much thinner, while back lit LED is about the same size as a normal LCD.

I've never noticed blooming on my Vizio, not that it's not there, I've just not noticed it, nor have I looked for it.

[EnigmaNemesis]

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So, the Vizio 55" LCD-LED model I'm looking at (XVT553SV) is a back-lit model. What exactly am I losing if I go with an edge lit? It seems like blooming is evident with all back-lit models, but of course there are trade offs I presume, seeing that the edge lits are less expensive.

If you want an LED-LCD then that set is the way to go. Not only for price, but for more uniformity of being backlit.

Edge lit suffers from not being evenly lit or uniform, and the edges appear lighter or darker depending on model.

There are trade-offs, but that very set was the one I was going to go with before I decided on going Plasma.