Dexter (Season 6)

[BlueNGold]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

Yeah, that's what I meant.

His major thoughts:

1) He hated the Michael C. Hall casting when they told him about it, but now can't picture a single other person ever being Dexter.
2) It was supposed to just be one book, but people started falling in love with the character....and it was only supposed to be one feature film.
3) They barely consult with him at all anymore.
4) He wishes the show would be funnier at times. That's the big thing from the books that he did not think transferred over, but he credits that to the fact that, since it's a television show, they have to go with a bit more of the melodramatic stuff instead.
5) When they contacted him, he assumed that meant it'd be one-season, one-book and the stories would follow the same....but they changed it because now they don't have to pay him for every season.
6) He thinks the Trinity Killer was the dumbest idea for a "villain," incredibly corny and cliche and the only way it worked was Lithgow. The character itself was stupid, but the way Lithgow portrayed it made it one of the best things he had ever seen on television.
7) He assumes the show needs to have Deborah find out about Dexter's Dark Passenger very soon, but he doesn't know if they'll actually do it or not.

That's about it, for what he touched on about the television show.

Interesting. Especially 1 and 6.

I'm just about caught up on all the books after only starting to read them a few months ago. I'm sure the fact I seen the show before I read the books helped but I prefer the show much more than the books. Although there is some things that the book does (which I won't say) that I wish the show would/would have done.

[Beantown]

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Interesting. Especially 1 and 6.

His thoughts about Michael C. Hall were pretty interesting...

They came to him and told him "We're thinking about Michael C. Hall as Dexter," which prompted a "Who?!" response. He was told "The guy from Six Feet Under" which then led him to think about the main guy, Peter Strauss, and response of "If that's the best you can do..."

He was then told, "No, the brother" and proceeded to go home and watch an episode of the show to see who Michael C. Hall was. He went back for their next meeting and said: "That's not going to work at all," only to be told that they had already signed him.

And now he was praying up at the podium that Hall signs on for a few more seasons.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

His thoughts about Michael C. Hall were pretty interesting...

They came to him and told him "We're thinking about Michael C. Hall as Dexter," which prompted a "Who?!" response. He was told "The guy from Six Feet Under" which then led him to think about the main guy, Peter Strauss, and response of "If that's the best you can do..."

He was then told, "No, the brother" and proceeded to go home and watch an episode of the show to see who Michael C. Hall was. He went back for their next meeting and said: "That's not going to work at all," only to be told that they had already signed him.

And now he was praying up at the podium that Hall signs on for a few more seasons.

Did he have any thoughts about how much longer he thinks the show can or will go on for? Or just any other interesting thoughts in general?

Even though he doesn't have much of a say in how the show goes, it's still cool to hear his take on things.

[bichettehappens]

I wonder who he envisioned as Dexter casting-wise

[JayBee74]

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His thoughts about Michael C. Hall were pretty interesting...

They came to him and told him "We're thinking about Michael C. Hall as Dexter," which prompted a "Who?!" response. He was told "The guy from Six Feet Under" which then led him to think about the main guy, Peter Strauss, and response of "If that's the best you can do..."

He was then told, "No, the brother" and proceeded to go home and watch an episode of the show to see who Michael C. Hall was. He went back for their next meeting and said: "That's not going to work at all," only to be told that they had already signed him.

And now he was praying up at the podium that Hall signs on for a few more seasons.

TYPO-You mean Peter Krause-Peter Strauss was the guy on Rich Man Poor Man.

Since he didn't like either, I wonder who he had in mind?

[Seymour Scagnetti]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

Haven't posted on this season or looked in this thread until now because I hadn't had a chance to watch butb here's my long winded views after 4 shows. I enjoyed the 1st 3 episodes (watched all 4 shows the last 2 days) as it harkened back to the 1st 2 seasons in tone but this last episode set new standards for silliness even by Dex's standards with Quinn and Bautista deciding to turn into Cheech and Chong just out of the blue. It was kinda funny but it felt like a SNL skit and out of place even for this show which treats thier secondary characters like they are better suited for a bad sitcom.

But to have Hanks' character at the end just look up and smile gleefully (could he look anymore guilty?) at the locusts coming out just so Dexter could notice him while every other cop is blissfully unaware of Hanks reaction is a stretch even by this show. Any cop with half a brain would have noticed and he would have brought in for questioning immediately. I know this show is notorious for illogical and unlikely events to cover up plot holes but it just feels like they are really forcing square pegs into round holes with this last episode.

Good call for the person who figured out early on that Olmos' character is imaginary. Didn't realize until this last episode and my wife got it before I did when she wondered how the hell did Olmos get that girl out of the bed and tied up without Hanks waking up. Then we both clued in on it after we rewound a bit and saw how he was ignored at the restaurant.

I just hope they reveal this very soon because if this is the big twist for the season then it's gonna be a dull 2nd half of the season. It just seems like this show is getting so stale with the same story arc of a serial killer opposing Dexter and of course Dexter winning in the end. Hanks' bland character is not helping either, Lithgow is a hard act to follow. I find all the religious themes pretty dull as well, I just hope they don't do the predictable thing and have Dexter gain some new found religious belief.

They could go in a bunch of different directions with the Dexter character, like trying to control his dark side so he only kills for revenge and not give in to his urges and kill innocent people, to keep this series interesting and give it a darker tone. I found the 3rd episode with Dex and the old man is where the series shines when it's self contained like that within one show.

But the writers seem to be lazy and insist on using the recycled serial killer(s) storyline every year (Hanks will match wits and probably kidnap someone close to Dex on the 2nd last show before Dex kills him on the last show) but I guess since the secondary characters are so shallow and cartooney it's hard to really do anything else.

[JayBee74]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

Haven't posted on this season or looked in this thread until now because I hadn't had a chance to watch butb here's my long winded views after 4 shows. I enjoyed the 1st 3 episodes (watched all 4 shows the last 2 days) as it harkened back to the 1st 2 seasons in tone but this last episode set new standards for silliness even by Dex's standards with Quinn and Bautista deciding to turn into Cheech and Chong just out of the blue. It was kinda funny but it felt like a SNL skit and out of place even for this show which treats thier secondary characters like they are better suited for a bad sitcom.

But to have Hanks' character at the end just look up and smile gleefully (could he look anymore guilty?) at the locusts coming out just so Dexter could notice him while every other cop is blissfully unaware of Hanks reaction is a stretch even by this show. Any cop with half a brain would have noticed and he would have brought in for questioning immediately. I know this show is notorious for illogical and unlikely events to cover up plot holes but it just feels like they are really forcing square pegs into round holes with this last episode.

Good call for the person who figured out early on that Olmos' character is imaginary. Didn't realize until this last episode and my wife got it before I did when she wondered how the hell did Olmos get that girl out of the bed and tied up without Hanks waking up. Then we both clued in on it after we rewound a bit and saw how he was ignored at the restaurant.

I just hope they reveal this very soon because if this is the big twist for the season then it's gonna be a dull 2nd half of the season. It just seems like this show is getting so stale with the same story arc of a serial killer opposing Dexter and of course Dexter winning in the end. Hanks' bland character is not helping either, Lithgow is a hard act to follow. I find all the religious themes pretty dull as well, I just hope they don't do the predictable thing and have Dexter gain some new found religious belief.

They could go in a bunch of different directions with the Dexter character, like trying to control his dark side so he only kills for revenge and not give in to his urges and kill innocent people, to keep this series interesting and give it a darker tone. I found the 3rd episode with Dex and the old man is where the series shines when it's self contained like that within one show.

But the writers seem to be lazy and insist on using the recycled serial killer(s) storyline every year (Hanks will match wits and probably kidnap someone close to Dex on the 2nd last show before Dex kills him on the last show) but I guess since the secondary characters are so shallow and cartooney it's hard to really do anything else.

I pretty much agree with everything you've said, but what do you think about the Deb Lieutenant, Blackmailing LaGuerta, Masuka's babe and Mos Def storylines?

They've all hit home with me and have trumped the main protagonist's story. That might not be a good thing, but I've really enjoyed this season-so far.

[Seymour Scagnetti]

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I pretty much agree with everything you've said, but what do you think about the Deb Lieutenant, Blackmailing LaGuerta, Masuka's babe and Mos Def storylines?

They've all hit home with me and have trumped the main protagonist's story. That might not be a good thing, but I've really enjoyed this season-so far.

Mybe I've been spoiled with cable shows like The Wire and Breaking Bad but I find the secondary characters and storylines in Dexter cartooney at best. They are so unrealistic and shallow that it's impossible to take seriously. Deb shrieks and has a severe case of Tourette's sydrome, has dated a serial killer and lived with a shady confidential informant. There is no universe in existence where she would even still be a detective let alone be promoted to Lieutenent.

Like the pot smoking with Bautista and Quinn (who have no problem smoking a joint at the spur of the moment while on duty and driving and coming back to the office smelling like pot even though if they get caught they would both be fired in an instance, that really takes balls). It is just so unrealistic it makes it hard to find compelling. Same goes for Leguerta who has carelessly done enough harm in her career that she would have been demoted years ago. Anything she or Deb does is justified with sitcom logic.

The Masuka storyline is really just him trying to get laid and how bad he feels about himself when he can't like they did in prior seasons. He's the comic relief, nothing more. The characters are likeable but in a comic book kind of way.

Mos Def has done a good job but it seems pretty obvious he will be the person close to Dexter who will be captured by the serial killer and\or will sacrifice himself so Dexter can live etc... If he lives then I hope he isn't a permanent member of the cast as the sermonizing and religious schtik will get old fast and doesn't really belong in Dexter's world. But I will give the character some credit because after a few shows he has shown more depth than all the other supporting characters have after 6 years.

I know the show shouldn't be taken seriously like Breaking Bad etc..but the absence of realism and the ongoing silliness seems to be getting worse where the show is becoming a parody of itself rather than going in a darker direction that will give it some legs.

EDIT: one additional thing that is just bugging the hell out of me. What the hell does Deb do with all her money? She seems to be working all the time and now must be making quite a bit more than Dexter does and she has been living off him for the better part of 6 seasons while also living off Quinn and that C.I. guy. She definately doesn't spend her money on clothing and beauty products and at best paid some token rent amount to Dexter and Quinn. She must have a small fortune saved up and could end up buying the state of Florida pretty soon. I bring this up since she told Dexter to **** off when he asked for a raise. If anyone deserves a raise it's him just for supporting her all these years.

[JayBee74]

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Deb shrieks and has a severe case of Tourette's sydrome, has dated a serial killer and lived with a shady confidential informant. There is no universe in existence where she would even still be a detective let alone be promoted to Lieutenant.

Her promotion did serve as a vehicle to show Angel as a great guy and friend to Deb. The deputy chief also used it as push back on LaGuerta.

They do overdo Deb's cursing.

Like the pot smoking with Bautista and Quinn (who have no problem smoking a joint at the spur of the moment while on duty and driving and coming back to the office smelling like pot even though if they get caught they would both be fired in an instance, that really takes balls). It is just so unrealistic it makes it hard to find compelling. Same goes for Leguerta who has carelessly done enough harm in her career that she would have been demoted years ago. Anything she or Deb does is justified with sitcom logic.

I think continued pot smoking would put their jobs at risk but this is clearly a one time thing. Good luck trying to fire both of these guys on suspicion of coming in high to work without evidence.

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As much as I love Breaking Bad I thought Jesse's "meth den" was an unbelievable stretch. Even though meth induces paranoia and Jesse had been targeted by the authorities and Gus he had no problem having standing room only meth heads occupy his house for days complete with loud music and flashing lights. The FBI left him alone because he gave Hank a pass?

Whatever your position is on the merits of Deb or Leguerta's advancement in the police department, both their bumps are the result of factors other than their worthiness. Deb might be deserving, but more likely her promotion was a countermove by the chief on Leguerta.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

They do overdo Deb's cursing.

Her cursing is just about the same as it is in the books. IMO it's not overdone at all, especially considering there are people in real life that swear twice as much as Deb.

As for Seymour's criticism's, they're valid, but really the only one that bothers me (and even then it doesn't bother me that much) is what happened at the end of last week's episode with Travis looking so obvious as the locusts were flying around.

[JayBee74]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

Her cursing is just about the same as it is in the books. IMO it's not overdone at all, especially considering there are people in real life that swear twice as much as Deb.

As for Seymour's criticism's, they're valid, but really the only one that bothers me (and even then it doesn't bother me that much) is what happened at the end of last week's episode, with Travis looking so obvious as the locusts were flying around.

I hear ya'. I think they went a little overboard at the press conference but I have no real problem with it other than the fact that the chief embraced it and it took new hire Mike to advise her to watch it.

[jeremym480]

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The pot smoking isn't that far-fetched to me either. One guy just got his heart broken and the other is going through a mid-life crisis. I can see where they might turn to the Mary Jane for a little stress relief.

[BlueNGold]

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I hear ya'. I think they went a little overboard at the press conference but I have no real problem with it other than the fact that the chief embraced it and it took new hire Mike to advise her to watch it.

I don't know. It was only one F bomb she dropped at the press conference and it was written as a way of Deb being herself in her new role, like LaGuerta or whoever it was (can't remember for sure) told her to.

[JayBee74]

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I don't know. It was only one F bomb she dropped at the press conference and it was written as a way of Deb being herself in her new role, like LaGuerta or whoever it was (can't remember for sure) told her to.

Pretty sure it was LaGuerta.

Wonder if she'll heed Mike's (Death Row Reynolds) advice about the language? She listened to him about the clothes.

[BlueNGold]

Re: Dexter (Season 6)

Pretty sure it was LaGuerta.

Wonder if she'll heed Mike's (Death Row Reynolds) advice about the language? She listened to him about the clothes.

I kind of doubt it because that's a big part of Deb's character, but it could happen. I'm still trying to guess if there's anything major to Mike's character or if he's just...there.