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  • TripleCrown9
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    • May 2010
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    #346
    Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

    Originally posted by Blzer
    Saw it and loved it. I thought with Marvel's attempt they were going to "force" too much of the lightness that the SM character carries, but none of it felt forced at all (I thought it seemed only slightly out of place in Civil War). It all felt like a kid with super powers, which is exactly what this is of course. Tom Holland is Peter Parker, no question about it. Kid really nailed his performance.

    Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 still takes the top billing for me, though. I thought that Peter's "disturbances" in that film were less forgiving by other characters than they are here, which built the drama between Peter and MJ or Peter and Harry that much more. This one obviously had moments to point at, but it seemed like they didn't carry much weight until somebody would finally bring it up eight scenes later (Liz, May, Tony, etc.).

    Vulture was not my favorite villain, but he served this Marvel world well and Keaton's portrayal of the Adrian character was simply a force not to be reckoned with. I thought he was awesome, and it was really great to actually start with him. That being said, outside of Loki he is probably my favorite villain in the MCU (if the Winter Soldier doesn't count) because they simply haven't developed any other villains very well at all. However, as far as Spider-Man cinematic villains go, Dr. Octopus obviously takes the top billing for me.

    This film is hilarious. I was dying laughing at certain scenes that I feel nobody else in the audience was laughing at, and I don't know why. Even parts near the end of the film had me in stitches (I think people know what I'm talking about). There were even things that I knew for sure characters were going to say, and when they delivered those lines that didn't make them any less hilarious. Zendaya probably had the funniest character of all.

    Part of the hilarity of the film came from questions I always had like: "What if he flubbed a web-shooting?" or "What if he didn't have a building to sling from?" or "What if he ran out of webbing?" or "How does he equip his suit properly?" or "Does he have limits/fears of going too high?" I'm just glad they were aware of things like this and actually integrated them into part of the overall story.

    I missed out on the 3D version, but honestly after watching it I'm not really sure what I'm missing out on (except maybe the monument scene). I thought some of the action shots were piss-poor to begin with and it was hard to see what was going on, and it would just make it harder in 3D. Not to mention a lot of it is nighttime action. I think I'm good holding off on the 3D stuff. On that note, in 2017 I thought the CGI stuff on long shots of Spider-Man flipping would look more realistic these days, but I guess this is the best that we'll get. I was somewhat unimpressed with the visuals of this film, so I'm glad that the story and characters made up for all of that.

    If you are going into this film without seeing any of the other Marvel universe films, I'd recommend you watch The Avengers and Captain America: Civil War first (maybe even Iron Man if you're really pushing films to see). The reason I say all of this is because I'm going to tell my little sister that I saw this and liked it, and she'd ask if I should recommend it to her, to which point I'd probably say yes... but she hasn't seen those other films first. And honestly, as good as this film is, I think it only works best as it fits within the universe.

    I'm not saying that this film can't be appreciated without seeing the others, but I think the others serve equally as good of cinematic value as this one. Why should someone see this film before Civil War? What greater purpose does that serve? Getting your Spider-Man fill? I guess, but then I think you're missing the larger picture. That's probably why I like SM2 the most; in the comic book movie lore, it serves as a piece of standalone art so well for me, that it's doing more than just adding to the painting. Same with something like The Dark Knight, and Logan.

    I'll of course be adding this to the Blu-ray collection, and frankly with the way this film ended, I can't wait for the next time he shows up in a Marvel film, or his next standalone film.

    Now, I have a timeline question I couldn't piece together. Maybe someone can answer it for me?

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    • N51_rob
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      • Jul 2003
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      #347
      Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

      Saw it, loved it, will see it again. I'm so glad they ditched another origin story. His simple explanation was perfect.

      If the things I'm hearing about the MCU advancing to the next stage of super heroes with IRL actors coming contracts expiring I think this was a great first step.

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      • Boltman
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        • Mar 2004
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        #348
        Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

        I saw it, it was pretty good. Definitely didn't come away with the feeling many of you did. It was def good tho, I'm not hating. Just kinda whatever about it after seeing it.

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        • JayBee74
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          • Jul 2002
          • 22989

          #349
          Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

          Originally posted by Boltman
          I saw it, it was pretty good. Definitely didn't come away with the feeling many of you did. It was def good tho, I'm not hating. Just kinda whatever about it after seeing it.
          I hear ya. I felt that way about a few movies that were raved about here and other places.

          For me, everything clicked. Iron Man as mentor, Marisa Tomei, a rebellious working man villain, a perfectly cast Peter Parker, Spiderman as part of the MCU, and a great ending among other things. The last few minutes set up a lot of interesting things down the road. I know Spidey makes an appearance in Infinity Wars next year, but I can't wait for his next standalone in 2019.

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          • Blzer
            Resident film pundit
            • Mar 2004
            • 42517

            #350
            Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

            Originally posted by Boltman
            I saw it, it was pretty good. Definitely didn't come away with the feeling many of you did. It was def good tho, I'm not hating. Just kinda whatever about it after seeing it.
            I would have felt this way if the third act setup wasn't what it was, which was a brilliant move IMO. That upped the ante and my value for the movie so much more.

            I thought the action itself was sort of lackluster (I blame the directing), but at the same time I was a little bit happy about it when I left the theater, saying that the intimacy of trying to do something on a truck, building, ferry, plane, etc. is probably better than taking all of NY at once from an alien invasion kind of thing. No "beam in the sky," if you will.

            Not to say the action wasn't still ridiculous, or that the other SM films didn't have intimate fights (SM1 fire and ending, SM2 bank, SM3 Osborn manor, ASM1 school, ASM2 clock tower), but this one seemed to just be full of them. Furthermore, it didn't seem like Peter was the outright savior in every case, or that there wasn't necessarily a savior to be had in every case, which was kind of a nice breath of fresh air.

            EDIT: Just re-watched Sam Raimi's Spider-Man 2 and got confirmation. SM:H may be a very good comic book movie with plenty of entertainment, a strongly developed Peter Parker, and a worthy addition to the MCU... but SM2 is a near-perfect film to me, and it's not even close. Its themes, although significantly more mature, play so well even with the lighter tone that SM has compared to other heroes like Batman. It may not be real world, and it may not even be grounded, but it tugs at me so much more than any CBM before or after it, including TDK and Logan. It's a shame Raimi didn't get close to this for SM3, no matter how excited I was for it.
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            • Watson
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              • Jul 2008
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              #351
              Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

              I've battled with how I felt about this over the weekend, but I think this is my favorite Spider-Man movie. Take that with a grain of sand because I've never cared much for the spodermans.

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              • TripleCrown9
                Keep the Faith
                • May 2010
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                #352
                Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                Originally posted by Watson
                I've battled with how I felt about this over the weekend, but I think this is my favorite Spider-Man movie. Take that with a grain of sand because I've never cared much for the spodermans.

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                As far as your very last sentence, he isn't JUST a gangbanger to be fair. I agree 100% with everything else.
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                • King_B_Mack
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                  • Jan 2009
                  • 24450

                  #353
                  Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                  Finally got a chance to see it last night and I loved it. Very strong running for my favorite Spidey film alongside SM 2. The cast was perfect, the tone worked and the villain was great as I knew Micheal would be. Now DC needs to do the right thing and make a Batman Beyond movie and cast him as Bruce Wayne lol

                  I've loved all the Spider-Man actors with Tobey having been my favorite. Tom Holland completely changed that with this film. I loved him in Civil War but I needed to see how he handled an entire film to make a final call and he absolutely nailed it. If the Marvel Studios can't do anything else, they know how to cast their stars. I can't think of a single hero in the MCU off the top of my head that I've thought they could have gotten someone else for or who's performance left more to be desired from the character and they didn't break that trend here. As already mentioned, he as perfect as Peter Parker/Spider-Man as RDJ is as Tony Stark/Iron Man. I may go again Thursday when I'm off, haven't decided yet.

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                  • seasprite
                    Phenom
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 8984

                    #354
                    Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                    Really loved this movie.






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                    • JayBee74
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                      • Jul 2002
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                      #355
                      Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                      Originally posted by King_B_Mack
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                      That would be something although the Fantastic Four isn't exactly riding a wave of great momentum right now.

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                      • RockinDaMike
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                        • Feb 2003
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                        #356
                        Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                        Originally posted by JayBee74
                        That would be something although the Fantastic Four isn't exactly riding a wave of great momentum right now.
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                        • LowerWolf
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                          • Jun 2006
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                          #357
                          Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                          I enjoyed it. Very good, but not quite great. But I felt the same way about WW and GotG2, so I think part of it is comic book burnout setting in for me.

                          Holland nailed it. Really enjoyed him as PP/SM. I've always felt Tobey is a bit overrated and Garfield a bit underrated in the role. But Holland is just about perfect.

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                          • wrestlinggod1
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                            • Jan 2008
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                            #358
                            Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

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                            • TripleCrown9
                              Keep the Faith
                              • May 2010
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                              #359
                              Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                              Originally posted by wrestlinggod1
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                              I have no idea what the bolded means.
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                              • wrestlinggod1
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                                • Jan 2008
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                                #360
                                Re: Spider-Man: Homecoming

                                Originally posted by TripleCrown9
                                I have no idea what the bolded means.
                                Isn't Spiderman still under control of Sony? I thought I read somewhere that Marvel doesn't own him so they can't fully incorporate him into their universe
                                I was just saying I think it sucks because I really like Tom Holland as Spiderman and I would love to see him in lots of movies.
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