ESPN Cleaning House

[JayhawkerStL]

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For me, I don't watch any programs on ESPN but the actual games.

But the reason I dislike people like SAS and talk about it is because their inclusion highlights the poor sports coverage we get as sports fans. Instead of getting the kind of coverage sports fans should be demanding, we get the kind of coverage that casual fans need to be interested in sports.

Financially, I understand why a network wants to appeal to the casuals. They already have the sports nuts. The casuals don't watch the games but will tune in to news about the games. That's eyes 24/7. I get it.

It doesn't mean I can't be disappointed that it leaves hardcore fans out of the news. We get the games but we get nothing else. And if we want more, it's fluff garbage like SAS screaming some hyperbole at the screen that the hardcore fans know isn't true or interesting.

Yes, it's easy to watch something else. But I don't see how it's a statement on my character being obsessed with hate because I would like to watch something good.

Meh...

If you can't find decent sports coverage, you aren't trying.

I like Jalen and Jacoby, which has been expanded to one hour a day. Other shows I watch if they are on:

MLB Intentional Talk
Pardon The Interruption
Highly Questionable
Around the Horn
College Football Live
NFL Live

I also really like Scott Van Pelt's SportsCenter.

And my current cable package only has ESPN and ESPN2. If I had Fox Sports, NBC Sports, and CBS Sports, I'd have more options.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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Most of those shows are much different from each other. Don’t watch International Talk so I can’t speak on that.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Intentional Talk is an MLB Network show that moved over to ESPN this year with Chris Rose and Kevin Millar as hosts. It's a pretty good look at baseball news with a good sense of humor.

[DieHardYankee26]

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Financially, I understand why a network wants to appeal to the casuals. They already have the sports nuts.
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I actually feel like it's the opposite, and that ESPN does what they do because they couldn't possibly do for hardcore sports fans what we would want. I used to stay up until 10 to watch Baseball Tonight because it was the only way for me to get the baseball rundown, now I have MLB Network running Quick Pitch all morning. ESPN can't compete with that. If I want NBA coverage, NBA TV does it so much better than a channel that's trying to cover all bases could, ESPN is casual by nature. I'm not sitting through an hour of Sportscenter to get a 2 minute blurb about the Yankees, we have our own network. And this is just TV, not even including the internet.

We don't need ESPN, they know that, so they're doing what they can.

[superjames1992]

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I actually feel like it's the opposite, and that ESPN does what they do because they couldn't possibly do for hardcore sports fans what we would want. I used to stay up until 10 to watch Baseball Tonight because it was the only way for me to get the baseball rundown, now I have MLB Network running Quick Pitch all morning. ESPN can't compete with that. If I want NBA coverage, NBA TV does it so much better than a channel that's trying to cover all bases could, ESPN is casual by nature. I'm not sitting through an hour of Sportscenter to get a 2 minute blurb about the Yankees, we have our own network. And this is just TV, not even including the internet.

We don't need ESPN, they know that, so they're doing what they can.

Agreed.

People bemoan Sportscenter going downhill and the like, and to an extent they have a point, but in reality Sportscenter will never be what it once was because people can find sports highlights on demand on the internet, so there’s no reason to sit through an entire show to find the highlights about the game(s) you’re interested in. And if you’re looking for analysis, NFL Network, NBA TV, etc. do it better than ESPN.

[JayhawkerStL]

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Unless the NFL Network has changed dramatically, I would take exception to that. The NFL Network is by far the worst of the league networks. The MLB Network is great, though.

But the main point is true. I don't watch Sportscenter to see a certain highlight, it's what is on while I surf the web, and I catch some highlights I might not have sought out.

I remember when watching the halftime show of Monday Night Football was must see TV. It really was the only place to see good highlights of all of Sunday's games. Things change. And they will keep changing.

[TheShizNo1]

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Yeah, NFL Network is trash. It's pretty much ESPN at this point.

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[jake44np]

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Yeah, NFL Network is trash. It's pretty much ESPN at this point.

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Totally agree, I cannot stand the NFL Network.

I was at the game last night so I didn't see it live..
But did anyone catch Michael Irvin dissing Steve Smith and then Smith getting pissed?
Good stuff there, probably staged tho.

[ProfessaPackMan]

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NFL Network on actual game days ****s over ESPN’s coverage. Just like NBATV’s pre/postgame coverage ****s on ESPN as well.

ESPN still has 30 for 30 going for them(pretty much the only thing they have)and NFL Network still has NFL Films, which speaks for itself.

[SPTO]

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The NFL Network has indeed lost a lot of its credibility. I think it started when they did their version of Pimp my Ride with NFL fans. UGH...


It's quite a superficial network and it doesn't help that most of their personalities are either so into their schtick or just plain not good. I actually think some of the personnel they lost due to the #MeToo and sexual harassment stuff has hurt them as I think Faulk was a reasonable voice and while he can be a pain sometimes I actually thought Heath Evans did provide some good insight.

A lot of it now is just crap though Good Morning Football is a reasonably entertaining watch tho I can't help but look at Peter Schrager and want to punch the guy. LOL

[JayhawkerStL]

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NFL Network on actual game days ****s over ESPN’s coverage. Just like NBATV’s pre/postgame coverage ****s on ESPN as well.

ESPN still has 30 for 30 going for them(pretty much the only thing they have)and NFL Network still has NFL Films, which speaks for itself.

I don't watch ESPN's gameday coverage. NFL Primetime is still a good recap of the day, though.

[LambertandHam]

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I don't watch ESPN's gameday coverage. NFL Primetime is still a good recap of the day, though.

I miss the old Berman, Tom Jackson highlight runs.

[SPTO]

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I miss the old Berman, Tom Jackson highlight runs.

I miss the music they would play under the highlights as well. "sigh" those were the days. I used to switch off the late game and immediately watch PrimeTime and get all the highlights i'd need without any stupid superfluous stuff.

[dubcity]

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NFL Primetime wasn't even that long ago, either. Now ESPN just wants to seem funny or clever, with Scott Van Pelt doing his comedy bull****. The Olbermann/Patrick era was a long time ago, man.

Haven't watched Sportscenter in forever. Do anchors still do the "oh by the way" line every 5 seconds? At some point it's like everyone was instructed to say that just before throwing out another bull**** statistic. So damn smug.

[kehlis]

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I don't watch ESPN's gameday coverage. NFL Primetime is still a good recap of the day, though.

IMO the current version of Primetime is an abomination of what it once was. It's a shame.