Avengers: End Game

[kt-od]

Re: Avengers: End Game

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Was it ever said how they were going to get the mind stone? Because you never see Vision or the stone until it's back in the Gauntlet. Unless I missed something.

[TripleCrown9]

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Was it ever said how they were going to get the mind stone? Because you never see Vision or the stone until it's back in the Gauntlet. Unless I missed something.

That was the scepter.

[Junior Moe]

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I enjoyed the Endgame. Truthfully though, I liked it more as a culmination of the last ten years than I did as an individual movie. I'd put Infinity War and Civil War easily ahead of this one as a movie. There was a lot of fan service though, and I guess that's what they were going for. It has been a fun ride, Marvel.

[Jr.]

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I don't know, man. I don't think the answer is that simple.

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If it was as easy as returning the stones, then what's the point of killing Thanos when Tony did the snap? If they returned the stones and the timeline continued on like normal, that would mean that Thanos still gets the stones, and still does the snap. If past person dies, but doesn't actually die, then that means that 2014 Thanos is still alive and still coming after the stones.

They themselves would have had to create a new timeline, going against the rules they set.

Which is why I tend to try to not overthink time travel in movies, because it eventually all comes back to creating a new timeline even though the main goal is to not to.

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They killed 2019 and 2014 Thanos. So there is no Thanos to go after the stones anymore. Remember that 2014 Thanos was the one they fought at the end, not the current day Thanos. Thor killed him in the beginning.

So while the opportunity for someone to go get the stones and do the same thing is still around in the other timeline(s), Thanos won't be the one to do it as both versions are gone.

As for Nebula. She killed her alternate timeline self, which is separate from her current self. Bruce explained that before they started the time jumps. You don't change your future because when you go back in time, the "future" (i.e. where you traveled from) is now your past, so it's still already happened, not going to happen.

I've never heard that version of time travel before, but their explanation does make the story cohesive, albeit with a few narrative issues that others have mentioned.

[TripleCrown9]

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They killed 2019 and 2014 Thanos. So there is no Thanos to go after the stones anymore. Remember that 2014 Thanos was the one they fought at the end, not the current day Thanos. Thor killed him in the beginning.

So while the opportunity for someone to go get the stones and do the same thing is still around in the other timeline(s), Thanos won't be the one to do it as both versions are gone.

As for Nebula. She killed her alternate timeline self, which is separate from her current self. Bruce explained that before they started the time jumps. You don't change your future because when you go back in time, the "future" (i.e. where you traveled from) is now your past, so it's still already happened, not going to happen.

I've never heard that version of time travel before, but their explanation does make the story cohesive, albeit with a few narrative issues that others have mentioned.

No I definitely get that, but what I don't understand is

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They absolutely killed 2019 and 2014 Thanos. But 2013 Thanos is still there, and 2012, 2011, etc. Unless Tony's snap completely wiped Thanos from ever existing. It goes back to the baby Hitler/baby Thanos thing. If they completely erased Thanos from history, that does answer the issue. But then it also brings up the issue of "if Thanos never existed, then none of this would have ever happened, which in itself creates a new timeline."

This is why I don't like trying to understand time travel, because there is no easy or "right" answer because every answer brings up a new set of questions.

And I'm not disagreeing with anyone. I love the back and forth and the theories.

[DrJones]

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I haven't seen anyone mention it here, but it seems clear to me that

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the "present time" in Endgame is 2023, five years after the Infinity War snap in 2018. 2014 Nebula remarks that her counterpart has a time stamp NINE years into the future. Regarding Ned at the high school, I'm assuming that he was "snapped" and returned, just like Peter. The half of their classmates that survived the Decimation are now 5 years older and have already graduated high school (although it may have been a year or more post-snap that schools re-opened, who knows?)

[Jr.]

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No I definitely get that, but what I don't understand is

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They absolutely killed 2019 and 2014 Thanos. But 2013 Thanos is still there, and 2012, 2011, etc. Unless Tony's snap completely wiped Thanos from ever existing. It goes back to the baby Hitler/baby Thanos thing. If they completely erased Thanos from history, that does answer the issue. But then it also brings up the issue of "if Thanos never existed, then none of this would have ever happened, which in itself creates a new timeline."

This is why I don't like trying to understand time travel, because there is no easy or "right" answer because every answer brings up a new set of questions.

And I'm not disagreeing with anyone. I love the back and forth and the theories.

Yeah those are good points that I can't really argue against.

[TMagic]

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My biggest issue with the story was...

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Hulk (lol) explains that going back and changing the past has no effect on the current/future. Essentially you can't undue what has already happened. Going back only affects the timeline that you went back to.

Then right after that he goes and meets the wizard lady who says she cant give him the stone because it'll basically **** up her universe.

Then Hulk says he'll just bring them back and it'll be like nothing ever happened. But based on how he described time earlier, bringing the stones back wouldn't change anything for that timeline they jumped to.

The timeline they took the stones from should lead to that timeline/universe playing out into chaos or destruction or however she described what would happen. And the stone being brought back would just be a new timeline where the stones never left.

Because if that ISN'T the case and they can return the stones to prevent the outcome that is destined from occuring, essentially reversing the damage that comes from losing a stone, then the baby Hitler/thanos theory SHOULD actually be possible.

But they stated repeatedly that that would not work. So it felt like they kind of overlooked something there.

I could be completely off base here though [emoji23]

[Blzer]

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I'll post more thoughts later in spoilers (and maybe you're all talking about it), but I got to drive for a couple of hours today and the whole time I was reliving the entire film... and if I'm remembering it all correctly, there are just gaping, gaping holes involving the crux of the film's premise. I questioned them while watching the film, and just sat back to confirm them now that I could press rewind with my brain. Some involve the plot itself, some are character idiocies within (or things they didn't consider), and some are just things that didn't flow too greatly from IW to this film, but that's based on how it was written and I'm understanding of it. I want to jump into them and ask them later when I have the time.

For the movie as a whole, if somebody were to ask if I recommend it, I really think it doesn't prove as effectively unless you've seen all 21 movies before it. Not by watching a wrap-up video on YouTube or reading the plots on Wikipedia, but feeling it all out from beginning to end. It's what gave value to the majority of this film. The callbacks, fan servicing, and retreading helped earn the dramatic weight and emotional toll you carry for the hours you spend absorbing everything. Whereas Infinity War could potentially be watched as a standalone by somebody and enjoyed from beginning to end, I think Endgame takes significantly more to do so (EDIT: reading back, what Junior Moe said is how I felt... it's more a ).

That being said, anyone who leaves this movie has the ability to say it was awesome and it rocked... but that's after seeing every bit of it, especially the final act(s). This movie is a testament to the idea that if you end note-****ing-perfect, you will be forgiven for anything that you do before it. Not that there is anything before that you'd be against, but that a movie can go from average to fantastic just based on how it finishes off. This one has the ability to do that for others.

I took in all three hours of this film like a champ and I enjoyed everything that I watched. I just don't know how much I'd enjoy watching the first couple hours a second time again, though. I'll see if the rewatch holds up by catching the next viewing in 3D or IMAX, but I'm not ready to jump out and get the Blu-ray like I was for IW purely on a rewatch basis alone.

[Blzer]

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Oh, and I have a character identification question. It was bugging the people next to and behind me as well, and I cracked up inside thinking the entire audience was with me, clouded by complete uncertainty.

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In the long tracking shot of all the characters at Tony's funeral, after Sam/Bucky/Wanda and I think before Carol was a younger looking white fellow with longer hair near the bottom of the porch steps.

The question I heard everyone whisper, and the same question I have is...

Who the **** is that?

[LowerWolf]

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Oh, and I have a character identification question. It was bugging the people next to and behind me as well, and I cracked up inside thinking the entire audience was with me, clouded by complete uncertainty.

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In the long tracking shot of all the characters at Tony's funeral, after Sam/Bucky/Wanda and I think before Carol was a younger looking white fellow with longer hair near the bottom of the porch steps.

The question I heard everyone whisper, and the same question I have is...

Who the **** is that?

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I answered this in one of my earlier posts, but it's the kid from Iron Man 3. It's the same actor; he's grown since then.

[King_B_Mack]

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No I definitely get that, but what I don't understand is

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They absolutely killed 2019 and 2014 Thanos. But 2013 Thanos is still there, and 2012, 2011, etc. Unless Tony's snap completely wiped Thanos from ever existing. It goes back to the baby Hitler/baby Thanos thing. If they completely erased Thanos from history, that does answer the issue. But then it also brings up the issue of "if Thanos never existed, then none of this would have ever happened, which in itself creates a new timeline."

This is why I don't like trying to understand time travel, because there is no easy or "right" answer because every answer brings up a new set of questions.

And I'm not disagreeing with anyone. I love the back and forth and the theories.

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I'm not sure what you're really confused about at this point though? Yes 2013, 2012, 2011 etc. Thanos still exists, but they aren't suddenly going to start finding Infinity Stones before Thanos actually started collecting them. Time is going to play out for them the same way it did. Thanos is still going to be doing exactly whatever it was he was doing in 2013 or 2012 or whenever. So it doesn't matter. The only reason things changed for 2014 Thanos is because 2023 Nebula came back to 2014 and her tech linked up with 2014 Nebula's that tipped that Thanos off to what was happening and how/where to actually acquire all the stones. It's really not all that difficult to follow the time travel aspect here with how they laid it out.

My biggest issue with the story was...

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Hulk (lol) explains that going back and changing the past has no effect on the current/future. Essentially you can't undue what has already happened. Going back only affects the timeline that you went back to.

Then right after that he goes and meets the wizard lady who says she cant give him the stone because it'll basically **** up her universe.

Then Hulk says he'll just bring them back and it'll be like nothing ever happened. But based on how he described time earlier, bringing the stones back wouldn't change anything for that timeline they jumped to.

The timeline they took the stones from should lead to that timeline/universe playing out into chaos or destruction or however she described what would happen. And the stone being brought back would just be a new timeline where the stones never left.

Because if that ISN'T the case and they can return the stones to prevent the outcome that is destined from occuring, essentially reversing the damage that comes from losing a stone, then the baby Hitler/thanos theory SHOULD actually be possible.

But they stated repeatedly that that would not work. So it felt like they kind of overlooked something there.

I could be completely off base here though [emoji23]

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I think the difference there is that they were going back to the exact moment that they took the stones to return them which is why they finessed the stones away in most cases so that they wouldn't be missed. The only timeline that ended up getting altered would be the one where Loki got away with the Tesseract which would be the same one where Steve fought himself. I'd imagine we'll explore the ramifications of that in Loki's Disney+ series whenever that comes out.

[mestevo]

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Disney revised the estimates w/ actuals, $1.222b opening weekend.

[ProfessaPackMan]

Avengers: End Game

I hope it beats Avatar.

That’s the one thing I’m rooting for but that’s probably because I thought that movie was just ok.

And where are all the negative reviews at from folks here? That’s what I’m waiting on.

[TheShizNo1]

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I don't there can really be negative reviews, maybe not good ones.

I know someone in here posted about not really feeling it. I thought it was pretty meh and walked away feeling disappointed. That being said, is was still a good movie.

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