Red Dead Redemption

[Madman55]

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So, I finally finished the game, and...

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What a disappointing ending. It would have made more sense for John to climb up the ladder directly beside him, and take down all the enemies outside. And then now, playing as Jack is just depressing... he looks like a mature adult now, but when he talks he still sounds like that same little kid he was.

[Jonesy]

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It is a great game. Right now, I'm going to call it my best game of 2010.

I would agree with that. It's my favorite game of 2010 without a doubt and prob a top 5 of all time for me.

[Burns11]

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I have no idea if this is a spoiler, but better to play it safe

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"Man" should be in quotes. That's not how a man talks. It's how a 12 year old talks.

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touche....................

[Eman5805]

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The whole problem that people aren't realizing when they say John should've gone upstairs in the barn and shot them dead, which he could've very well did. Hell. A stick of dynamite chucked through the door would've done the same.

But the point is that even of John kills everyone and Ross dead at that barn...then what? You think it would've just ended with Ross? The US government wouldn't just let that go. They'd keep coming after him and his family for as long as John's alive. So they'd just be on the run for the rest of their life? Unable to settle down or even have a goodnight's sleep? He only wants a better life for his wife and son. They would never have that if he was still alive.

But if he's dead, then his family won't be harmed again.

That was his chance to redeem himself and his family, and he took it. And it worked, for the most part. He could've never foreseen his wife dying just three years later, probably of TB. But I have to wonder if the choice to make Jack sound like he did was a conscious decision. Maybe we weren't supposed to like Jack and consider him inferior to John, even though they have all the same skills and weapons.

On a side note: Even though I've brought the game back, I wonder if I should have made a run on the game and leave all the stranger missions open except for "Do I Know You?" and hear Jack's performance. I did hear that there are lines recorded for all of the stranger missions.

[Burns11]

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The whole problem that people aren't realizing when they say John should've gone upstairs in the barn and shot them dead, which he could've very well did. Hell. A stick of dynamite chucked through the door would've done the same.

But the point is that even of John kills everyone and Ross dead at that barn...then what? You think it would've just ended with Ross? The US government wouldn't just let that go. They'd keep coming after him and his family for as long as John's alive. So they'd just be on the run for the rest of their life? Unable to settle down or even have a goodnight's sleep? He only wants a better life for his wife and son. They would never have that if he was still alive.

But if he's dead, then his family won't be harmed again.

That was his chance to redeem himself and his family, and he took it. And it worked, for the most part. He could've never foreseen his wife dying just three years later, probably of TB. But I have to wonder if the choice to make Jack sound like he did was a conscious decision. Maybe we weren't supposed to like Jack and consider him inferior to John, even though they have all the same skills and weapons.

On a side note: Even though I've brought the game back, I wonder if I should have made a run on the game and leave all the stranger missions open except for "Do I Know You?" and hear Jack's performance. I did hear that there are lines recorded for all of the stranger missions.

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Yeah, because escape to the west wasn't an option, nor was fleeing to Mexico (where you have a personal relationship with a powerful government figure) or further into South America wasn't an option.

You need look no farther than the fates of Butch Cassidy and the Wild Bunch, they were cutting a swath of robberies after they separated for the last time and it still took forever to find them. Most of them, running around robbing trains and such, still evaded capture and the more famous two (Cassidy and Sundance) both fled to South America where we can't even be sure what happened to them. There's even some evidence they wound up back in the US.

John gave up, and it made no sense to do so. Hell, it made no sense that he moved back into his old ranch and stayed there. he was a smarter man than that.

[Eman5805]

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Yeah, because escape to the west wasn't an option, nor was fleeing to Mexico (where you have a personal relationship with a powerful government figure) or further into South America wasn't an option.

You need look no farther than the fates of Butch Cassidy and the Wild Bunch, they were cutting a swath of robberies after they separated for the last time and it still took forever to find them. Most of them, running around robbing trains and such, still evaded capture and the more famous two (Cassidy and Sundance) both fled to South America where we can't even be sure what happened to them. There's even some evidence they wound up back in the US.

John gave up, and it made no sense to do so. Hell, it made no sense that he moved back into his old ranch and stayed there. he was a smarter man than that.

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Did we even play the same game? How the heck can you say flee to Mexico and be protected by the local government like that would make him safe when that's EXACTLY what Williamson did and it sure as hell did NOT work? I mean, down to the whole protection by local government part to boot.

Obviously the government didn't care about international lines seeing as they sent Martson in after him. You saw how many people would track you down ingame when your bounty got up to a couple hundred. You think it'd get any easier if they put a thousand something bounty on his head?

And how old did Butch Cassidy live to be? What 42? A full 7 years longer than Martson? That's the best Martson could do? Delay the inevitable by 7 years? People have their theories that he never was killed, but that's what they say about all legendary outlaw type figures. Unless they died in some unusual method, there's never a real consensus. Doesn't change the likely hood that Cassidy didn't live to be 50.

Marston gave up because it was over. And again, unless John wanted his family to spend the rest of HIS life running and living in fear, what he did was the best for them. It wouldn't matter where in America or in the world he went. His past would've caught up to him eventually. It was a sad decision, but he made the best one for his family.

[Burns11]

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Did we even play the same game? How the heck can you say flee to Mexico and be protected by the local government like that would make him safe when that's EXACTLY what Williamson did and it sure as hell did NOT work? I mean, down to the whole protection by local government part to boot.

Obviously the government didn't care about international lines seeing as they sent Martson in after him. You saw how many people would track you down ingame when your bounty got up to a couple hundred. You think it'd get any easier if they put a thousand something bounty on his head?

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I'm saying that the US government couldn't come after him, and neither would the Mexican. Nobody is realistically going to scour Mexico, and you would have never found Williamson had he not insisted on being in the court of the current governor.

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And how old did Butch Cassidy live to be? What 42? A full 7 years longer than Martson? That's the best Martson could do? Delay the inevitable by 7 years? People have their theories that he never was killed, but that's what they say about all legendary outlaw type figures. Unless they died in some unusual method, there's never a real consensus. Doesn't change the likely hood that Cassidy didn't live to be 50.

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There's really two theories, one that he was killed while robbing a payroll, another that he escaped and lived until the 1930s. In the end, nobody went to find him, nobody found him and he either lived or died doing something stupid. My point stands.

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Marston gave up because it was over. And again, unless John wanted his family to spend the rest of HIS life running and living in fear, what he did was the best for them. It wouldn't matter where in America or in the world he went. His past would've caught up to him eventually. It was a sad decision, but he made the best one for his family.

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That's just a bad assumption and justification for something that makes zero sense.

[budsticky]

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I got the PS3 version of this coming in trade from someone on Cheap A** Gamer. Very excited to try it out.

Is it possible to get a good online game with random folks on PS3? I understand the hit and miss nature of that, but PS3 seems to generally be better for that type of thing. (Note: Not a PS3 fanboy, I have 360 too..but the online component of PS3 seems to be more adult..which is weird considering it's free).

[Admiral50]

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Ok, I've tried all week online with this game and cannot find more than a couple people in free roam at best.

Not only does it suck to miss out on a fun part of the game but it highlights how games that require online play for certain trophy's suck even more.

[Angel_Fan]

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Just beat this game. ****in awesome game straight up

[Mossfan8480]

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Just beat the game myself, and, after reading all the great things prior to playing Red Dead, have to say I was disappointed.

For me, the game was mediocre at best. The story dragged, the dialogue felt like filler, the characters were flat, and overall the story felt like it was the first draft of a recent college graduate.

This was the first game in quite some time for me that felt like work playing it.

[Jonesy]

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Just beat the game myself, and, after reading all the great things prior to playing Red Dead, have to say I was disappointed.

For me, the game was mediocre at best. The story dragged, the dialogue felt like filler, the characters were flat, and overall the story felt like it was the first draft of a recent college graduate.

This was the first game in quite some time for me that felt like work playing it.

I'll just have to agree to (totally) disagree with you on this.....

[ZB9]

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I think that if the US Marshalls wanted John dead, it makes no sense for them to have waited, they would have killed him when they had John's gun in their hands standing over Dutch's dead body. That is the point they would have killed him to tie up the loose ends, not waiting and then sending a small army to his farm.

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Dutch: "When Im gone, they'll just find another monster. They have to, to justify their wages"

it was probably election season

[Fresh Tendrils]

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I'll just have to agree to (totally) disagree with you on this.....

I think he has a point as far as the story and characters go, but I still think the gameplay and other elements were great.

[TheShizNo1]

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I'm wondering is their any point in moving on w/ the game. I've already watched Dutch commit suicide, and am now just doing house work mini games. Is the game basically over?