The Last of Us Part 2 (PS4)

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: The Last of Us Part 2 (PS4)

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Abby is a huge part of the storyline the rest of the way but they do connect it back to Elle again and you do play as Ellie again, but the majority of the time you play as Abby

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Well. That just freed up a lot of my time . Appreciate it.

[peter42O]

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Question for those that finished.

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Does this Abby **** ever end?


I got to the point where Ellie and Abby have the stand off (Jesse dies) then the game immediately takes me out of that tense moment and goes to a flashback. I'm thinking "Fine. The doctor was her dad. Telling us via flashback is lazy writing but ok I'll power through this, get back to the story." and it just........ never stops. Now I'm three plus hours into this weird Abby spin off/DLC that I couldn't possibly care less about. What happened here? Everything was going so well. Whose idea was this? They were cruising to a 10/10 and it's just falling off the rails.

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You'll play as Abby the same way as you played as Ellie, meaning Seattle Day One, Seattle Day Two and Seattle Day Three. Plus, it starts with that flashback scene with her Dad and I believe that there's one or two more flashbacks as well. Once that all finishes, you'll play as Ellie for the ending gameplay sequence and final encounter with Abby.

I personally believe that the game would have been better if the days were Ellie day one, Abby day one, Ellie day two, etc. with the flashbacks taking place at different times like before playing as the actual character. Most of all, I believe that killing Joel should have been a little later in the game. Maybe the halfway point and I wish they would have let as play as Joel and fight Abby but we lose the fight.

Instead of having Tommy/Ellie there in the room, Tommy should have escaped and return with Ellie but as they enter the room, Abby and her friends had just escaped. I believe that the scene would have been so much better and made so much more sense. Plus, it would have eliminated the aspect of "this makes no sense" in regards to not only most of it on general but also, why let Tommy and Ellie live?

Best way to eliminate plot holes or aspects that come across to players as well, that made no sense is to simply not have them at all.

Sorry for the mini-rant. lol.

[dsallupinyaarea]

Re: The Last of Us Part 2 (PS4)

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You'll play as Abby the same way as you played as Ellie, meaning Seattle Day One, Seattle Day Two and Seattle Day Three. Plus, it starts with that flashback scene with her Dad and I believe that there's one or two more flashbacks as well. Once that all finishes, you'll play as Ellie for the ending gameplay sequence and final encounter with Abby.

I personally believe that the game would have been better if the days were Ellie day one, Abby day one, Ellie day two, etc. with the flashbacks taking place at different times like before playing as the actual character. Most of all, I believe that killing Joel should have been a little later in the game. Maybe the halfway point and I wish they would have let as play as Joel and fight Abby but we lose the fight.

Instead of having Tommy/Ellie there in the room, Tommy should have escaped and return with Ellie but as they enter the room, Abby and her friends had just escaped. I believe that the scene would have been so much better and made so much more sense. Plus, it would have eliminated the aspect of "this makes no sense" in regards to not only most of it on general but also, why let Tommy and Ellie live?

Best way to eliminate plot holes or aspects that come across to players as well, that made no sense is to simply not have them at all.

Sorry for the mini-rant. lol.

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Still working out my thoughts on the actual game but I will say I thought Joel's death was well done. It reminded me of Omar's death in the The Wire. There are no heroes in this world and no one is invincible, even if you get a "continue" button. Anyone can get caught slippin and get got when you're living under perpetual danger.

[NYJets]

Re: The Last of Us Part 2 (PS4)

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You'll play as Abby the same way as you played as Ellie, meaning Seattle Day One, Seattle Day Two and Seattle Day Three. Plus, it starts with that flashback scene with her Dad and I believe that there's one or two more flashbacks as well. Once that all finishes, you'll play as Ellie for the ending gameplay sequence and final encounter with Abby.

I personally believe that the game would have been better if the days were Ellie day one, Abby day one, Ellie day two, etc. with the flashbacks taking place at different times like before playing as the actual character. Most of all, I believe that killing Joel should have been a little later in the game. Maybe the halfway point and I wish they would have let as play as Joel and fight Abby but we lose the fight.

Instead of having Tommy/Ellie there in the room, Tommy should have escaped and return with Ellie but as they enter the room, Abby and her friends had just escaped. I believe that the scene would have been so much better and made so much more sense. Plus, it would have eliminated the aspect of "this makes no sense" in regards to not only most of it on general but also, why let Tommy and Ellie live?

Best way to eliminate plot holes or aspects that come across to players as well, that made no sense is to simply not have them at all.

Sorry for the mini-rant. lol.

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I disagree that the scene as they did it didn't make sense.

Letting Tommy and Ellie go was to show that Abby was not the "bad guy" out to kill everyone. It was about avenging her father's death, which she did. Having Tommy and Ellie have to watch his death just drove their desire for revenge and how Ellie even after having her life with Dina and the baby couldn't let getting revenge for Joel's death go.

[NYJets]

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Still working out my thoughts on the actual game but I will say I thought Joel's death was well done. It reminded me of Omar's death in the The Wire. There are no heroes in this world and no one is invincible, even if you get a "continue" button. Anyone can get caught slippin and get got when you're living under perpetual danger.

Agreed 100% and I had thought of the exact same comparison.

[Brandwin]

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I'm not surprised that the internet outrage machine was point blank wrong about the "controversial" character and political agenda and stuff.

That’s where I’m at. If you actually played the game and didn’t care for it. Cool, it happens. I’ve played highly regarded games before and bust didn’t care for them. The issue I have are all these people who are giving the game a 0 based if leaks and didn’t play one moment. People were bombing the scores as soon as it released for no reason other than some “agenda “ and fake outrage based on leaks.

[peter42O]

Re: The Last of Us Part 2 (PS4)

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Still working out my thoughts on the actual game but I will say I thought Joel's death was well done. It reminded me of Omar's death in the The Wire. There are no heroes in this world and no one is invincible, even if you get a "continue" button. Anyone can get caught slippin and get got when you're living under perpetual danger.

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I disagree that the scene as they did it didn't make sense.

Letting Tommy and Ellie go was to show that Abby was not the "bad guy" out to kill everyone. It was about avenging her father's death, which she did. Having Tommy and Ellie have to watch his death just drove their desire for revenge and how Ellie even after having her life with Dina and the baby couldn't let getting revenge for Joel's death go.

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The death scene of Joel is bad because it's never earned by the Abby character. It's literally a no name character killing the main character of the first game and the character that majority love the most. Letting them go makes no sense because Abby is a piece of crap like everyone else and trying to use reverse psychology throughout the game on me to prove that she's good doesn't work with me.



You simply can't kill a character who's loved like that as that simply makes no sense because you're completely undermining the character that gets killed which in this case just doesn't fly with me. If Abby was built up as a character and then kills Joel, okay, maybe I can be good with that but the entire segment as is was simply bad and poorly executed on so many levels.

[YuNgWuN]

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The death scene of Joel is bad because it's never earned by the Abby character. It's literally a no name character killing the main character of the first game and the character that majority love the most. Letting them go makes no sense because Abby is a piece of crap like everyone else and trying to use reverse psychology throughout the game on me to prove that she's good doesn't work with me.



You simply can't kill a character who's loved like that as that simply makes no sense because you're completely undermining the character that gets killed which in this case just doesn't fly with me. If Abby was built up as a character and then kills Joel, okay, maybe I can be good with that but the entire segment as is was simply bad and poorly executed on so many levels.

Yes you can. You obviously dont agree with it. Others do. I loved the scene didnt bother me one bit that Abby didnt "earn" it lol.

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[cusefan74]

Re: The Last of Us Part 2 (PS4)

Question for those that finished.

Spoiler

Does this Abby **** ever end?


I got to the point where Ellie and Abby have the stand off (Jesse dies) then the game immediately takes me out of that tense moment and goes to a flashback. I'm thinking "Fine. The doctor was her dad. Telling us via flashback is lazy writing but ok I'll power through this, get back to the story." and it just........ never stops. Now I'm three plus hours into this weird Abby spin off/DLC that I couldn't possibly care less about. What happened here? Everything was going so well. Whose idea was this? They were cruising to a 10/10 and it's just falling off the rails.

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There was nothing lazy about the way they told us about Abby's father. You should care about the Abby part of it because it tells a story and you see changes in her character, and it all connects to the main story. If anybody didn't think she changed in the story didn't pay attention to it. They didn't fall off the rails with it at all, they gave it more depth and let you see more of the world, and to me that was awesome.

[peter42O]

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Yes you can. You obviously dont agree with it. Others do. I loved the scene didnt bother me one bit that Abby didnt "earn" it lol.

I don't agree with it nor did I like that segment but to each their own. It's all good.

[ForeverVersatile]

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I actually enjoy playing the alt perspective more than the main.

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[allBthere]

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the truth to me is my friend saying he didn't care for any of the characters enough to be invested and finished the game to get through it and 'get to the end' as his main motivation and that the gameplay was good.

so, as I mostly argue, games aren't films nor can they be - you actually have to like playing it for it to matter , THEN IF the story is good - major bonus. In this case it seems rather forgettable. ... so whatever... It's not black and white, but with most things grey, ... I think a lot of people don't feel strongly about it one way or another which to me just shows weakness in storytelling period.

[georgiafan]

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I finished this last night and I'm still collecting my thoughts so I'll make this short. I still also have to go back read what everyone said here.

I'm going to have with the users over the critics here. Its the most disappointed game of my life which is a shame because the gameplay is 10/10 and world probably the same. I don't think its humanly possible to drop the ball on the story anymore then they did. Apparently Naughty Dog misses Amy Henning more then I thought.

[Junior Moe]

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That’s where I’m at. If you actually played the game and didn’t care for it. Cool, it happens. I’ve played highly regarded games before and bust didn’t care for them. The issue I have are all these people who are giving the game a 0 based if leaks and didn’t play one moment. People were bombing the scores as soon as it released for no reason other than some “agenda “ and fake outrage based on leaks.

I agree with you 100%. It took me 5 or 6 attempts and being in lockdown for me to actually finish Horizon Zero Dawn. I see that Horizon is a good game, I'll grab the sequel on sale at some point I'm sure, but I just wasn't blown away by it, and that's ok.



I saw that LoU2 had received something like 24,000 reviews in a matter of days; the original amassed about 9,500 reviews its entire 7 year life span. It's one thing to not like the game, the impetus for the entire story is gonna turn people off, and that's fair. The gameplay isn't a huge leap or anything. There's plenty to not like about the game. But to bomb the game, or try to spoiler it, or just to ruin for others the way some of these internet people have is too much.



Then again, I wonder how many of those people are actually gamers and not just the internet mob. LoU2 passed Spiderman for best PS release ever and this after the story was leaked and the game got trashed for a month. I cant help but chuckle when I see youtubers or comments rant about the difference between the games metacritic and user review score and how thats proof of an agenda; but the actual sales after internet mob said they wouldn't buy it mean nothing.

[dsallupinyaarea]

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Fam, I'm sitting here 2 days later and I just really don't want to play as Abby. I'm 32yo and throwing a temper tantrum over a video game .