Man kills two while on the phone with cops

[ex carrabba fan]

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Wow I don't know why I thought this was Texas.

Same here. Probably because we saw "The Chronicle". I figured Texas had a Pasadena.

[Stu]

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Wow I don't know why I thought this was Texas.

Maybe because it was in Texas.

Pasadena, Texas, not California.

[jmood88]

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Maybe because it was in Texas.

Pasadena, Texas, not California.

Oh ok so I was right afterall. Yay me!!

[ex carrabba fan]

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Maybe because it was in Texas.

Pasadena, Texas, not California.

This is just getting confusing.

[MassNole]

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I don't think this will be a landmark case. If he is found guilty the case law is very much against him and these aren't the facts to change the law upon. If he is found not guilty, there is no appeal so no new case law could develop. Ultimately this is a case about jury nullification. If he gets a good lawyer I really believe he can get off by means of a mistrial for a hung jury. You need to convince 12 people of his guilt, I don't know that you could successfully do this in California.

Any other state, I think he's guilty with little question. In Vermont there was a similar case where a farmer shot an intruder in the back in his house. I don't know if criminal charges were brought, but he was found liable in a civil action. The lesson learned from that Vermont case, shoot to kill not mame.

[MassNole]

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Maybe because it was in Texas.

Pasadena, Texas, not California.

My bad, I saw Pasadena and assumed California, my mind played a trick on me I guess with name association.

Okay now if I am breaking this down with a Texas jury, I still think a lot of the same issues apply. Texas loves to punish criminals but then again this man was taking the punishment onto himself. Property is viewed with more reverence in Texas than some other states.

I don't know, I guess wherever this is tried it is a matter of jury nullification, unlike California though, I don't know that you can get a Texas jury to disregard the law quite so easily. That being said you only need one out of twelve on your side.

[Trevytrev11]

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Again, I completely disagree. If there were a million other legal routes to take, children in Africa wouldn't be starving and dying every single day. Wake up.

You can't compare the situation in Africa to what these guys faced in America. They live in America and aren't under the social or economical scrutinity of people in Africa. These guys, like all Americans are eligible for government assistance for food, shelter, etc if they need it.

If you need food, then rob a grocery store or a bank. As MassNole stated, breaking into someones house can have a huge impact to the family. That family may never feel safe in their house again. Someone broke into our house once, stole cash out of my dad's wallet which was on a night stand next to his bed. My dad didn't sleep for over a month and became very eratic and paranoid to the point where he ended up selling the house and moved out of state. Until it's happened to you and you've been personally exposed to the ramifications of intrusion and violation, you can't know the impact it can have on others.

[Knight165]

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I'm buying a house next to this guy if he manages to get acquitted and canceling my home security contract.

Seriously, I think this guy could have figured something else than shooting these two guys in the back.
I understand why some of you guys might think this is "justified", but if you guys had tape of a police officer shooting a guy that a homeowner pointed out as the thief who just robbed him, you'd be all over that crap.

Timmay.....what planet are you from? GET REAL. There is NO justification for stealing.....please...don't bring out the pics of the starving children. There are many, many other avenues to venture down other than crime. Sorry....WRONG....

M.K.
Knight165

[Heelfan71]

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A lot of you people clearly haven't been around the world and experienced it if you really think everything can be solved by "going and getting a job" or "applying for food stamps", or if you think there are a "million legal ways" to do something.

There are people in the world who have absolutely no other options, and there are people who are mentally unable to comprehend between right and wrong.

Why can't you wrap your head around that and realize sometimes things are terrible mistakes, and sometimes there is no other option.

People don't deserve to die because they broke into a house. They need to go to jail, or get the mental help (in certain cases) they need.

It's too bad so many people in this world think the way to solve crimes is to go and kill the person. That's no better than being a murderer.

I'm so absolutely disgusted by the people in this thread, that I'm just going to leave it now and hope I never run into people like you in the real world. I'm glad the people I know are mostly understanding and not so narrow minded.

quit trying to justify people stealing. I don't care why they do it. If they were hungry, they should of robbed a grocery store.

[ThreeKing]

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for Mr. Horn. Two less idiots the world has to deal with.

I wish we had more people like Joe Horn around.

Like most people in this thread said......if you are in dire straits....get a second job. If you must rob something....rob a store not a person.

[realtalktruth]

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since when have stores and banks been less significant then a persons home? this is exactly why all these corner stores get robbed all the time and way more than a person's house, you people wanting them to rob stores if they are hungry. maybe this guy should post up next to a 7-11.

[MassNole]

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since when have stores and banks been less significant then a persons home? this is exactly why all these corner stores get robbed all the time and way more than a person's house, you people wanting them to rob stores if they are hungry. maybe this guy should post up next to a 7-11.

Pretty much throughout the course of legal history. There is a reason the defense of one's home is called the Castle Doctrine. This is a long standing legal principle that your home is more sacred than a store or business.

[ODogg]

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You break into someone's house, you should be killed.

100% agree...and anyone that comes into my house when i'm home will get their just reward as well... The man should get a commendation instead of an indictment IMO.

[Cebby]

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since when have stores and banks been less significant then a persons home?

Since stores have insurance and verifiable inventory.

[Stu]

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100% agree...and anyone that comes into my house when i'm home will get their just reward as well... The man should get a commendation instead of an indictment IMO.

They weren't in his home. They were in his neighbors home. Would you still give them their "just reward" in that case? What about if it was 2 houses down? What about if it was 2 blocks away?