D-Day

[RedheadKingpin]

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That was one bad *** move! Even the Germans knew about it, but they didn't really know when it was going to happen. But when it did they couldn't even stop it! I love watching the old videos of it.

Actually,they knew where it was gonna happen. They just didn't count on the Allies making their move under those weather conditions.

[Cusefan]

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Actually,they knew where it was gonna happen. They just didn't count on the Allies making their move under those weather conditions.

If Rommel had full control of the German Military, D-Day would have failed...

[SportsTop]

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You cannot definitively say that. There are too many other factors involved that would've been altered if the German army had been prepared differently.

[Coug00]

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They actually both fear each other. So they thought they could use each other and in a way they did. Until Hitter decided to go against the treaty he made with Russia. That was actually the down fall of Germany. They had to fight two fronts. Bad move by Hitter.

I said this in the other Hitler thread in the supporters forum, but that was the correct move. Stalin had intended to double cross Hitler long before they finalized their pact to split Poland. Hitler invading the Soviets was a pre-emptive strike to beat Stalin at his own game. Hitler's indecisiveness is the only thing that kept Nazi Germany from bringing the USSR to its knees. The Soviet Union was so poorly planned that everything from rail to communications went through Moscow. Moscow was there for the taking if Hitler hadn't gotten cold feet on the invasion. No Moscow = No USSR.

In regards to honoring the Soviets, I'm torn. On one hand they lost more than any other country during WWII and we could honor those who fought and not necessarily Stalin. On the other hand, the behavior of many of the Soviet soldiers towards the German citizens, specifically the females, during and after the Battle of Berlin was disgusting and sub-human behavior IMO.

[Scottdau]

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To be honest with you Stalin was just as bad as Hitler. The only difference was Hitter wanted to take over the world, Stalin didn't. But they were both ruthless men.

[DrJones]

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I was lucky enough to be in London last week and visited the Imperial War Museum on D-Day. Pretty cool.

Let's not forget how important it was that the Brits held out during the summer of 1940. If the Nazis win the Battle of Britain (and supposedly they were 2-3 days away from wiping out the RAF, only they didn't realize it), it would've been incredibly difficult for the Allies to retake Europe.

[Cusefan]

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I was lucky enough to be in London last week and visited the Imperial War Museum on D-Day. Pretty cool.

Let's not forget how important it was that the Brits held out during the summer of 1940. If the Nazis win the Battle of Britain (and supposedly they were 2-3 days away from wiping out the RAF, only they didn't realize it), it would've been incredibly difficult for the Allies to retake Europe.

Exactly, the reason the Allies could advance on the Germans was the fact that the German Air force had been wiped out. Winning a war without Air Supremacy is pretty much impossible...

[Coug00]

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I was lucky enough to be in London last week and visited the Imperial War Museum on D-Day. Pretty cool.

Let's not forget how important it was that the Brits held out during the summer of 1940. If the Nazis win the Battle of Britain (and supposedly they were 2-3 days away from wiping out the RAF, only they didn't realize it), it would've been incredibly difficult for the Allies to retake Europe.

Yeah, they were REALLY close to victory over the Brits by taking out their airfields and infrastructure. I probably need a refresher, but I think the Luftwaffe got its clock cleaned by the RAF during a mass invasion, so Hitler got pissed and changed his tactics from strategical bombing to mass bombing civilians. Thankfully, it was just another one of his major blunders that helped turn the tide in the Allies favor.

I need to cross the pond some day to visit the memorials and museums.

[Cebby]

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To be honest with you Stalin was just as bad as Hitler. The only difference was Hitter wanted to take over the world, Stalin didn't. But they were both ruthless men.

Stalin isn't even in the same area code as Hitler.

Please don't try to compare the NEP/GLF to the Holocaust and World War II.

Stalin was a bad guy, but not even close to Hitler.

[Cusefan]

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Stalin isn't even in the same area code as Hitler.

Please don't try to compare the NEP/GLF to the Holocaust and World War II.

Stalin was a bad guy, but not even close to Hitler.

I think you may want to recheck your numbers, Hitler killed an estimated 11 million to Stalin's estimated 60 million.

[Pokes]

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If Rommel had full control of the German Military, D-Day would have failed...

If Rommel had gotten control of the Panzer divisions at Paix-de-Calais in time then it sure would have ended differently.

[Pokes]

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Stalin isn't even in the same area code as Hitler.

Please don't try to compare the NEP/GLF to the Holocaust and World War II.

Stalin was a bad guy, but not even close to Hitler.

Stalin is worse than Hitler, he actually got away with all of it.

[Cusefan]

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If Rommel had gotten control of the Panzer divisions at Paix-de-Calais in time then it sure would have ended differently.

I dont think so, Without an air force, the German Military's fate was sealed.

[Pokes]

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I dont think so, Without an air force, the German Military's fate was sealed.

Rommel wanted the Panzers to be released as soon as the Allies hit the beaches, but OKW thought the main invasion would come at Paix-de-Calais. This was largely due to Patton's presence there as a diversion. Had heavy armor been at the beaches those men would have been had a lot more difficult time than they did. Air superiority or not.

[Cusefan]

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Rommel wanted the Panzers to be released as soon as the Allies hit the beaches, but OKW thought the main invasion would come at Paix-de-Calais. This was largely due to Patton's presence there as a diversion. Had heavy armor been at the beaches those men would have been had a lot more difficult time than they did. Air superiority or not.

Ok, I misunderstood what you said before. If WWII taught us anything, its let your best military leaders make the decisions