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  • LowerWolf
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    • Jun 2006
    • 12272

    #1501
    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

    Solving the economy isn't going to matter if we don't solve the virus; solving the virus isn't going to matter if we don't solve the economy. It's not an either/or proposition.

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    • bigfnjoe96
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      • Feb 2004
      • 11410

      #1502
      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

      Originally posted by dubcity
      Uh no, it's still used only for people who aren't being claimed. Says so in the article you linked.
      Yeah, it was a typo on my end. I meant to say "it is used to"

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      • SmashMan
        All Star
        • Dec 2004
        • 9752

        #1503
        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

        Originally posted by mkharsh33
        I think all of us come here from different parts of the world - different ages and different circumstances in this pandemic. I don't think any of us are trying to be callous or minimal in our thinking. All of us are hurting in this...
        Cut the quote to save space, but I don't think you're wrong at all here. My concern is that there isn't a plan being communicated. At this point they're just broad statements, and they're broad statements that are not acknowledging that we're still in the process of getting a handle on this and that trying too quickly to get back to "normal" might hurt what progress we've made.

        What's the right answer, the right balance and timing of picking things back up? Damned if I know.

        Originally posted by DocHolliday
        I do know that when I see people slamming other people opinions as “dumb” or misinformed right of the bat, that we have already lost.

        People need to be able to discuss without being labeled.
        Agreed on this.

        Originally posted by DocHolliday
        This happens way to much in our world if you don’t agree with the masses opinions.
        This playing the victim bit hurts your point though. Even people slamming other's opinions aren't big, bad "masses" trying to get you.

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        • slickdtc
          Grayscale
          • Aug 2004
          • 17125

          #1504
          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

          Originally posted by Chip Douglass
          I don't really understand why so many people are pitching the economy vs. public health like there's a trade-off here, when there isn't.

          I'm not an economist, but it seems pretty f'ing obvious to me that you can't have a healthy economy when there's a raging pandemic incapacitating millions of workers and people are voluntarily boycotting businesses. Containing the spread of the virus is a necessary precondition to economic recovery.


          This is it. Seems to be a faction of people who are willing to risk it to open up their businesses again, go back to work, etc. But if you can’t convince the masses, there’s no point. The businesses will be open but there won’t be any customers.

          There’s going to be stragglers no matter how long we wait, definitely understand that. Some locales will be more keen to open than others, too. I don’t think we can really fully assess the state of things until we let more time elapse though. We’re not there yet. It’s only been a month.

          Right now, I like the May 15th date, but it’ll depend what the numbers look like as we get closer to that date. We should ease things in when we’re ready, too. I’m certainly not rushing to go to a sports game, concert, or even a restaurant the moment we’re able to.
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          • JayhawkerStL
            Banned
            • Apr 2004
            • 3644

            #1505
            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

            Originally posted by dubcity
            Uh no, it's still used only for people who aren't being claimed. Says so in the article you linked.
            Focus on the number.

            Deaths are so much higher than is being reported.

            This is not a scandal, though. It’s an issue of logistics. But when we look at the overall death rate, it’s going to show a much, much larger impact. I expect it will be a staggering number to those trying to minimize the seriousness of this.

            But be prepared for death total 3-5 times as large as being reported.

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            • mestevo
              Gooney Goo Goo
              • Apr 2010
              • 19556

              #1506
              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

              There's a difference between looking for a way out/forward, and wholesale minimizing what is going on with demonstrably false equivalences to the flu and other risks in daily life. That's what's going to illicit the justified reactions and disagreement.

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              • dsallupinyaarea
                Rookie
                • Jan 2009
                • 2764

                #1507
                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                I think I'd be ok with going to a not packed bar/restaurant and like the gym once the curve is bent, people can be regularly tested and treatment options are more refined.


                I don't see myself attending a concert or sporting event until there's a vaccine though.
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                • pietasterp
                  All Star
                  • Feb 2004
                  • 6245

                  #1508
                  Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                  Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                  Meh. You can both sidesism yourself into sillyness. It may not feel good to hear but every opinion *isn't* valid and some are, in fact, just plain ole bad. You never want to have a mind so open that your brain falls out.
                  Originally posted by roadman
                  I don't think anyone in here has been denying that the economy shouldn't open up at some point, including me, but this does slice both ways.

                  I disagree with people that state life isn't precious and because I would think that wouldn't sit right with most anyone. I think it's normal to say that the economy needs to open, but at the same time, appreciate life of our loved one's as well. Personally, I can't see where anyone can put a price on life, but that is my opinion, YMMV.

                  Yes, the economy will open in different parts of the country where there would be much less cases like WY or the Dakota's, but it will be a patient roll out.

                  This virus is not in our hands, it's in the hands of people from our scientist and our governments.

                  Is it unnatural for everyone to agree that before we start going back to some type of normal, we need to wait until the curve is on the downward slope? If people start wanting to leave during the apex, then isn't a possibility to come down with the virus that still is highly contiguous with the possibility of infecting others that have underlying conditions that are close to family and friends?

                  I agree with MK that a lot of us come from different backgrounds and I also think there are some that have suffered their own tragedies in life.
                  Originally posted by LowerWolf
                  Solving the economy isn't going to matter if we don't solve the virus; solving the virus isn't going to matter if we don't solve the economy. It's not an either/or proposition.
                  I don't think there is an inherent conflict between wanting to unfreeze the national shutdown and addressing the pandemic. What I think people are disagreeing about is what degree of "downsloping" of the curve (and what curve - new cases? hospitalizations? deaths?) we think is most important. There is no "stopping" of the virus at this point; it's all varying degrees of mitigation. I think most people would agree that slowing the spread of the virus at any cost is probably not the best goal, so it's just a matter of where you draw that line personally. My guess is if you are lucky enough to have a job where you can work from home and get full pay and provide for your family for the foreseeable future, you are much more inclined to fall on the side of "shutdown until cases go to zero". If, on the other hand, you've been thrown out of work and now can't feed your kids, that obviously changes your risk calculus quite a bit. I think most of the people in the latter group, if you offered them a chance to go back to work and resume earning a living in exchange for a 1% risk of mortality, would probably take that risk.

                  I don't know that either side is "right", but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for a definable endpoint for when the lockdowns can start unwinding.

                  The bottom line is I don't see any conflict here at all (just a lot of straw-man argumentation mostly by talking heads on TV), and I think some of this conflict is being manufactured because that's basically what we do in this country. At least that hasn't come to a stop during the pandemic.

                  Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                  I forget where I found this but in other terms it's

                  "I was afraid of freezing in my house during the winter time, so I took everyone's advice and added lots of insulation, and now my house is warm during the winter, so what was the point of all the spending time and money on all the insulation?"
                  Not picking on you in particular here (everyone does this at some point), but it's a bit of a pet peeve of mine and I can't contain myself today: an analogy is not an argument.

                  [/end pedantry]

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                  • pietasterp
                    All Star
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 6245

                    #1509
                    Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                    Originally posted by mestevo
                    There's a difference between looking for a way out/forward, and wholesale minimizing what is going on with demonstrably false equivalences to the flu and other risks in daily life. That's what's going to illicit the justified reactions and disagreement.
                    Based on what I've seen, I think the vast majority of people fall into the first category, and only a small (vocal) minority fall into the second. But the disagreement and/or discussion isn't necessarily bad; I think it's healthy to ask questions, even if they are unpopular ones.

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                    • dsallupinyaarea
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 2764

                      #1510
                      Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                      I also think the discussion is far too binary in that it's just "death vs. not deaths". Read some accounts of the people who beat this thing. The "mild" version of this is HORRIBLE. 2 weeks of a fever that borders on delirium, violent dry cough, trouble breathing, chronic fatigue, diarrhea, prolonged loss of taste and smell. There are reports of people who had it last month and still haven't gotten their legs back. Added to that fact that it's highly contagious. I don't know about y'all but I want ZERO parts of that.


                      The death rate on this thing could be 0% and it would still be a huge public health crisis.
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                      • TheMatrix31
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                        • Jul 2002
                        • 52927

                        #1511
                        Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                        Be respectful, y'all.

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                        • pietasterp
                          All Star
                          • Feb 2004
                          • 6245

                          #1512
                          Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                          Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                          I also think the discussion is far too binary in that it's just "death vs. not deaths". Read some accounts of the people who beat this thing. The "mild" version of this is HORRIBLE. 2 weeks of a fever that borders on delirium, violent dry cough, trouble breathing, chronic fatigue, diarrhea, prolonged loss of taste and smell. There are reports of people who had it last month and still haven't gotten their legs back. Added to that fact that it's highly contagious. I don't know about y'all but I want ZERO parts of that.


                          The death rate on this thing could be 0% and it would still be a huge public health crisis.
                          Totally agree that the discussion is not "either or". At the end of the day, we are all on the same page: no one wants unnecessary morbidity or mortality. Hardline arguments are for talking heads on a split-screen on cable news.

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                          • dubcity
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                            • May 2012
                            • 17876

                            #1513
                            Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                            Originally posted by JayhawkerStL



                            But be prepared for death total 3-5 times as large as being reported.
                            Sure, it could happen. As long as people accept whatever the number is, and don't just say, "oh it's way more than that," without some clear facts that deaths were directly caused by Covid. The situation is dire enough on its own.

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                            • dubcity
                              Hall Of Fame
                              • May 2012
                              • 17876

                              #1514
                              Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                              Originally posted by dsallupinyaarea
                              I also think the discussion is far too binary in that it's just "death vs. not deaths". Read some accounts of the people who beat this thing. The "mild" version of this is HORRIBLE. 2 weeks of a fever that borders on delirium, violent dry cough, trouble breathing, chronic fatigue, diarrhea, prolonged loss of taste and smell. There are reports of people who had it last month and still haven't gotten their legs back. Added to that fact that it's highly contagious. I don't know about y'all but I want ZERO parts of that.


                              The death rate on this thing could be 0% and it would still be a huge public health crisis.
                              I would say the true mild version of this is all the people who have zero symptoms.

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                              • NYJets
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 18637

                                #1515
                                Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

                                Originally posted by SmashMan
                                Cut the quote to save space, but I don't think you're wrong at all here. My concern is that there isn't a plan being communicated. At this point they're just broad statements, and they're broad statements that are not acknowledging that we're still in the process of getting a handle on this and that trying too quickly to get back to "normal" might hurt what progress we've made.

                                What's the right answer, the right balance and timing of picking things back up? Damned if I know.
                                Right, most of the public statements have been 100% focused on flattening the curve right now, with very little talking about what the next step looks like, and whats being done to plan for that. Which is leading to a lot of the speculation and arguing about what will and should happen as we move into May.

                                On one hand I get it, we're still at least 3 weeks away from being able to start transitioning into a different approach, so they probably don't want people jumping the gun and thinking its time to stop social distancing. At the same time, definitely a lot of anxiety about whether they have a handle on how to get back to some sense of normalcy.
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