CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

[kehlis]

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I don't care about fining per se'.

If they received a call that a large crowd of people were gathering in a backyard, and the police obtained a warrant (or had probable cause) and then issued a citation, I'd have no problem with that.

It's the fact that they are circumventing the procedure I have a problem with.

Well reading between the lines of that story, it sounds like they are doing because they have received complaints about area's they can't easily get to and are deploying a different method to help enforcement.

[Speedy]

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Your attitude is life threatening. It’s also contributing to the economic damage.

The economy won’t come back until the virus breaks. And I mean down to like 2-6 cases per state, give or take for population.

Seriously, you represent one of the dangers we face in a pandemic. Is predictable. Read up on 1918.

His point about intrusion and a warrantless search is valid. Not sure why you chose that post to use as your basis.

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[mestevo]

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His point about intrusion and a warrantless search is valid. Not sure why you chose that post to use as your basis.

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I think there's absolutely a point to discuss there, I think presenting it out of context and with no willingness to understand why there might not be a problem there is what encourages responses like what you quoted though.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Before we slam the govt. for overreach, how about dinging those causing it to be necessary in the 1st place. It's maddening how personal responsibility tends to be such a one-way street. Meaning, you need to be responsible for your actions, but I do what I want. Such a gross distortion of Liberty.

[Speedy]

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I think there's absolutely a point to discuss there, I think presenting it out of context and with no willingness to understand why there might not be a problem there is what encourages responses like what you quoted though.

Agreed

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[steelerfan]

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On people's private property is what I am getting at. You see nothing wrong with this intrusion? It's essentially a warrantless search.

When what you do on your private property can cause a domino effect that jeopardizes the well-being of others I take no issue with the "intrusion".

[roadman]

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And then to the bad news unless you are a state that isn't considered a hot area, like the state of Georgia.

I didn't realize that the US almost doubled the death's in the US from last week to this week.

I caught a glimpse of a interview where the Health Administrator for WI said we shouldn't plan for fun in the summer and that we could look at getting back closer to normal by winter.

Oh joy, oh rapture.

Several more months with working with my wife 5 ft away. lol jk.

[cjonesfan921]

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I'm happy to see that Shake Shack was shamed to giving back their PPP funds.

It's a shame what has happened to true small businesses with that program.

[Jr.]

Re: CDC Officials Warn of Coronavirus Outbreaks in the United States.

Governor of Colorado announced loosening of restrictions throughout the state starting Sunday. Includes allowing offices to open back up at 50% capacity, non-critical retail stores re-opening for curbside service. They're hoping to phase in reopening of restaurants starting in mid-May, pending data from Sunday through early May.

"As of Monday at 4 p.m., more than 10,000 people in Colorado have tested positive for the novel coronavirus and of those, 1,880 have been hospitalized" with 422 deaths.

We'll see how this goes

[JayhawkerStL]

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And then to the bad news unless you are a state that isn't considered a hot area, like the state of Georgia.

I didn't realize that the US almost doubled the death's in the US from last week to this week.

I caught a glimpse of a interview where the Health Administrator for WI said we shouldn't plan for fun in the summer and that we could look at getting back closer to normal by winter.

Oh joy, oh rapture.

Several more months with working with my wife 5 ft away. lol jk.

That’s lily pond effect. The most dangerous aspect of an epidemic is that you can’t see the surge. Next thing you know, it’s too late.

Saw a post in another forum where somebody was mocking Italy and stating we would never have so many deaths. It was March 12th and Italy was “hammered” by 631 deaths to the US’s 36.

They had no idea that a month later our two countries would combine for 64K deaths, and the US would have 40K of those.

Speaking of:

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Your attitude is life threatening. It’s also contributing to the economic damage.

The economy won’t come back until the virus breaks. And I mean down to like 2-6 cases per state, give or take for population.

Seriously, you represent one of the dangers we face in a pandemic. Is predictable. Read up on 1918.

Legally there are limits to the 'reasonable expectation of privacy' legal test in your own backyard, there's Supreme Court precedent related to manned flights for surveillance for example. Perhaps at some point drone usage will be tested, but I'd be surprised if a case like this moves the needle with a judge in this context.

Personally I'd say spreading the idea that this is a negative is more dangerous than what is actually happening in New Jersey.

Well reading between the lines of that story, it sounds like they are doing because they have received complaints about area's they can't easily get to and are deploying a different method to help enforcement.

His point about intrusion and a warrantless search is valid. Not sure why you chose that post to use as your basis.

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I think there's absolutely a point to discuss there, I think presenting it out of context and with no willingness to understand why there might not be a problem there is what encourages responses like what you quoted though.

Before we slam the govt. for overreach, how about dinging those causing it to be necessary in the 1st place. It's maddening how personal responsibility tends to be such a one-way street. Meaning, you need to be responsible for your actions, but I do what I want. Such a gross distortion of Liberty.

When what you do on your private property can cause a domino effect that jeopardizes the well-being of others I take no issue with the "intrusion".

The major concern is that if you think the government is going to put the genie back in the bottle once this coronavirus is over, you are extremely naive.

[mestevo]

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The major concern is that if you think the government is going to put the genie back in the bottle once this coronavirus is over, you are extremely naive.

Yeah, you established with your other replies that you were more interested in the FUD part than you were understanding the actual legal or practical reason this was happening.

[JayhawkerStL]

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The major concern is that if you think the government is going to put the genie back in the bottle once this coronavirus is over, you are extremely naive.

You quoted seven people disagreeing with you just to say, "But still..."?

No one wants the government to overreach, and it is another aspect of a pandemic we have to account for a deal with. But that has nothing to do with the first job, which is saving lives. And that DOES include saving the economy.

Going through 18 months of this, as you guys wait for people like me to just ****ing die already, seems like a much worse economic disaster than shutting down and getting the virus in check.

No one is going to go to the gym, to the movies, to restaurants, to barbers, or anything they don't have to as long as their city has a steady rate of new infections. Small businesses will still get wiped out. We will lose thousands of healthcare workers, the bulk of which are in their prime.

You are talking about wiping out the economy and 100's of thousands of lives, and maybe millions if we go all Sweden-like.

Think about how often you see people talk about a patient that died, and the discussion goes straight to whether there was a condition, and just handwaving away the deaths of people like me. We've just become an acceptable loss. So much so that prominent people have said we should be happy to sacrifice for the country.

You talk about being afraid of the government. Dude, I'm living what you should be afraid of.

[PeoplesChampGB]

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Yeah, you established with your other replies that you were more interested in the FUD part than you were understanding the actual legal or practical reason this was happening.

I'm not sure what FUD means. I understand the practical reason but I'm not sure it should be legal or if it even is.

EDIT: Upon further research, drone laws vary from state to state. In my state, police cannot use drones without a warrant or the officer has to be able to "visibly see" the area or they can also use them in "events where the public has been invited."

You quoted seven people disagreeing with you just to say, "But still..."?

No one wants the government to overreach, and it is another aspect of a pandemic we have to account for a deal with. But that has nothing to do with the first job, which is saving lives. And that DOES include saving the economy.

How many lives would you like to save? Would you like to save all lives?
Do you agree with "If we can save one life." I have plenty of authoritative ideas that could help with that and other problems. We could just ban everything that could be potentially bad.

Going through 18 months of this, as you guys wait for people like me to just ****ing die already, seems like a much worse economic disaster than shutting down and getting the virus in check.

You are way out of line with this comment, so I'm not even going to give a retort.

No one is going to go to the gym, to the movies, to restaurants, to barbers, or anything they don't have to as long as their city has a steady rate of new infections. Small businesses will still get wiped out. We will lose thousands of healthcare workers, the bulk of which are in their prime.

I say give small businesses the smallest chance over giving them none. And plus, if nobody is going to go, you really have nothing to worry about. Right?

You are talking about wiping out the economy and 100's of thousands of lives, and maybe millions if we go all Sweden-like.

Think about how often you see people talk about a patient that died, and the discussion goes straight to whether there was a condition, and just handwaving away the deaths of people like me. We've just become an acceptable loss. So much so that prominent people have said we should be happy to sacrifice for the country.

You are way out of line again. I never said Sweden is correct in its approach or they were wrong in their approach. I said it would be interesting to examine the data after it's all said and done. Different approaches and examining data is how we strategize in the future.

You talk about being afraid of the government. Dude, I'm living what you should be afraid of.

You should be afraid of government not giving back power. Maybe you are willing to give up your rights and liberties for government security, but I am not. Remember the Patriot Act that gave the government more power to spy on citizens? Yeah, Bin Laden has been dead for 8-9 years and it hasn't gone away yet.

[NDAlum]

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On people's private property is what I am getting at. You see nothing wrong with this intrusion? It's essentially a warrantless search.

There are several factors here that we don't know if this is an acceptable practice or not. I don't work in NJ so I don't know how strict their order is. I'm sure drone use will make its way to the Supreme Court and a ruling will be made on the specifics of what constitutes an illegal search with drone use.

I can, without a warrant, legally observe illegal activity on private property and not violate constitutional rights.

On the flip side, I had to arrest people for violating our state order. They were asked to leave this public space repeatedly, they refused. They were given the order to leave, they refused. They were given a citation for violating the order and ordered to then leave, they refused. They were then asked several more times to leave and they told us to arrest them.